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“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?”

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January 26, 2007 //  by Liane Leedom, M.D.

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“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?” are two questions that often haunt victims of sociopaths. The reason we are haunted by these questions varies but often stems from the habit of over-focusing on the sociopath instead of ourselves. That being said, victims also have a healthy ”˜need to know’ that can help with recovery and healing.

I struggled with these questions in my own healing. I remain baffled by my observations of enjoyment of affection on the part of sociopaths. Early on, I told my own therapist that I had come to the conclusion that sociopaths exploit those close to them to the point of death, then, cry at the funeral. At the moment the tears are shed, I believe they do represent a grief of sorts. The feelings of loss experienced by sociopaths are however, short lived. Victims also have to beware because, although sociopaths are said to be incapable of feelings for those in their lives, they do become obsessed with them. Psychologists have not yet explained this obsession. If they don’t attach, why are they obsessed? Those who have read my other entries know that I believe that sociopaths do attach. It is what they do with attachments that is disordered.

How did he really feel?

In response to the picture of a sociopath crying at his victim’s funeral, my therapist said, “He feels what he tells himself he feels.” To help you understand what my therapist meant, I will explain what is known about how people usually experience feelings.

There are two components to feelings. The first is a physical sensation. When we experience a feeling we feel something in our bodies in relationship to that feeling. Think about loving someone close to you and sense how your body feels. Is it warmth in your heart? That is usually what people report.

There is much evidence that these physical sensations are disordered in sociopaths. Sociopaths do not generally experience the physical and hormonal changes that go along with feeling emotion. If they do experience them, it is to a lesser degree. Physical responses are blunted.

The second component of feelings is called attribution. Attribution is a cognitive process. When I feel that warmth in my heart as I see my children, I attribute the sensation to my love for them. Thus the physical sensation alone does not make emotion. Emotion is physical sensations and our interpretations of these sensations. There is also evidence that the parts of the brain responsible for attribution do not function properly in sociopaths.

There is one emotion that many sociopaths experience in a not so disordered way. This emotion is anger. Sociopaths do have blunted physical responses to anger. Despite this blunted responsiveness, they seem aware of angry feelings and make correct attributions about what makes them angry. Again, science has not even addressed, much less explained this observation.

Since the physical sensations and attributions that allow for the experience of emotion are disordered in sociopaths, their inner world is very different. They are left to make sense of themselves and others without the tools most of us use. Other parts of the brain fill in the missing processes. The person who is credited with first describing sociopathy in depth is Hervey Cleckley. He proposed that sociopaths are at least of average if not above average verbal intelligence. This makes sense because they have to use their verbal intelligence to make up for their lack of emotions. They do indeed feel what they tell themselves they feel. Scientists say they mimic other people’s emotions, yet again there is no real proof of this.

What did he want from me?

This question is easy to answer intellectually, but very hard for victims to accept emotionally. There are three pleasures we get from our love relationships. The first is pleasure in affection. The second is sexual pleasure. The third is pleasure associated with dominance and control. Sociopaths experience sex and dominance as enormously more pleasurable than affection. Therefore, they are in relationships to get sex and power, pure and simple.

If you love deeply and feel affection for others, you cannot fathom the inner world of an emotionally disordered person whose primary pleasures are sex and power. To understand another’s world you have to imagine yourself experiencing what the other experiences. You can’t do this with a sociopath.

Louise Gallagher said in her post The six steps of healing from a psychopath that the first step is acceptance. We have to accept that we can only know in part how sociopaths really feel and what they want from us. We can understand intellectually, but never emotionally.

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Back_from_the_edge
13 years ago

To quote Ox:
“If you are not EMOTIONALLY invested in them it makes it easier to take action logically. When we ARE emotionally invested in the psychopath, that is when we try to “fix it” and we start to really SUFFER.”

AINT THAT THE TRUTH!!!!???????

Ana
13 years ago

Oxy,
I have the book and have read it. Looks like I need to read it again.

There’s no way I’m changing jobs. This is the best massage job I’ve ever had and I’ve been doing it for 12 years. One good thing is, she is starting school in Sept. and her hours will be cut down some. I think she’ll be so darn busy with work, school, homework, kids…she won’t have time to target me! YAY

one/joy_step_at_a_time
13 years ago

hmmm ana does massage, and has access to a carpenter….and just how far away are you? LOL. 🙂

one/joy_step_at_a_time
13 years ago

Chic – where are you my dear????

Ana
13 years ago

One Joy Step,
LOLOL….I told my husband you might need help hanging a door and he said “where does she live?” I said “oh, I have no idea” LOL Can’t ya just talk her thru it online? LOLOL YEP, turns out he can.

one/joy_step_at_a_time
13 years ago

well, that’s awesome. ask donna to connect us! I will send the same request. ( I am sure we are not even in the same country)

Ana
13 years ago

Ok One Joy, I’ll do that. I hope doors are the same in your country as they are in ours…wouldn’t that be sumptin’..lol

superkid10
13 years ago

Duped

Thanks for posting that link to cog dis. I had heard LL and Skylar use that term before but didn’t quite understand it. I read the link and it helps. I would like to find a book about it. I’ve spent so much time researching the concepts of sociopathy, and so much time researching the actual life of my spath, I’m kinda done with that. I’m ready to tackle ME and it seems like I suffer from cog dis.

BBE

My spath was not a drug dealer or criminal either. He was just a man. He’s smart. Handsome. Dresses well. Lies about everything small and big. Has no problem screwing anything that walks. Has no self control. Has no empathy. And doesn’t find people very interesting, according to him. I can’t figure out if he’s spath or schizoid or both, but in any case, I think I’m done trying to sort that out, and I just know that it doesn’t work for me. I don’t want it. And nothing will ever change.

If I knew then what I knew now I would never get involved with this guy. I had no idea. All these alarms were going off, and I’m like, “what’s that?” and “oh, he’s fine” and plundered forward.

I’m happy to be getting myself back if you know what I mean.

I don’t think anywhere else – not in any of the myriad of books that i read – not anywhere except this site is NO CONTACT preached so much. It works. I think there is a small deficiency in that “no contact’ makes one think that we should not engage in communication with the spath, and that’s only part of it.
There is also the whole piece around “I HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO” that inpires us to not sleuth, think about him, etc. This is so easy to say and so hard to do.

SK

Back_from_the_edge
13 years ago

SK: I think we ALL suffer from Cog Dis – at least the way “I” read it. It’s something THEY give us just by associating with them, I think. Interesting concept – especially when you don’t understand it and then realize what it is; isn’t it? Oh yes: just another ingrained, in depth ploy of the spath. It’s alright. I have been reprocessing. It’s working like a charm…..

Spath free for 3-1/2 months, everyone!
Let’s have a party!!!!! 🙂

Dupey

Your welcome SK ~ xxoo
I wanted to read it myself 😉

skylar
13 years ago

Dupey,
that is a great link on cog/dis. thanks for linking.
Congrats on your 3.5 months, it only gets better.

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