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“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?”

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January 26, 2007 //  by Liane Leedom, M.D.

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“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?” are two questions that often haunt victims of sociopaths. The reason we are haunted by these questions varies but often stems from the habit of over-focusing on the sociopath instead of ourselves. That being said, victims also have a healthy ”˜need to know’ that can help with recovery and healing.

I struggled with these questions in my own healing. I remain baffled by my observations of enjoyment of affection on the part of sociopaths. Early on, I told my own therapist that I had come to the conclusion that sociopaths exploit those close to them to the point of death, then, cry at the funeral. At the moment the tears are shed, I believe they do represent a grief of sorts. The feelings of loss experienced by sociopaths are however, short lived. Victims also have to beware because, although sociopaths are said to be incapable of feelings for those in their lives, they do become obsessed with them. Psychologists have not yet explained this obsession. If they don’t attach, why are they obsessed? Those who have read my other entries know that I believe that sociopaths do attach. It is what they do with attachments that is disordered.

How did he really feel?

In response to the picture of a sociopath crying at his victim’s funeral, my therapist said, “He feels what he tells himself he feels.” To help you understand what my therapist meant, I will explain what is known about how people usually experience feelings.

There are two components to feelings. The first is a physical sensation. When we experience a feeling we feel something in our bodies in relationship to that feeling. Think about loving someone close to you and sense how your body feels. Is it warmth in your heart? That is usually what people report.

There is much evidence that these physical sensations are disordered in sociopaths. Sociopaths do not generally experience the physical and hormonal changes that go along with feeling emotion. If they do experience them, it is to a lesser degree. Physical responses are blunted.

The second component of feelings is called attribution. Attribution is a cognitive process. When I feel that warmth in my heart as I see my children, I attribute the sensation to my love for them. Thus the physical sensation alone does not make emotion. Emotion is physical sensations and our interpretations of these sensations. There is also evidence that the parts of the brain responsible for attribution do not function properly in sociopaths.

There is one emotion that many sociopaths experience in a not so disordered way. This emotion is anger. Sociopaths do have blunted physical responses to anger. Despite this blunted responsiveness, they seem aware of angry feelings and make correct attributions about what makes them angry. Again, science has not even addressed, much less explained this observation.

Since the physical sensations and attributions that allow for the experience of emotion are disordered in sociopaths, their inner world is very different. They are left to make sense of themselves and others without the tools most of us use. Other parts of the brain fill in the missing processes. The person who is credited with first describing sociopathy in depth is Hervey Cleckley. He proposed that sociopaths are at least of average if not above average verbal intelligence. This makes sense because they have to use their verbal intelligence to make up for their lack of emotions. They do indeed feel what they tell themselves they feel. Scientists say they mimic other people’s emotions, yet again there is no real proof of this.

What did he want from me?

This question is easy to answer intellectually, but very hard for victims to accept emotionally. There are three pleasures we get from our love relationships. The first is pleasure in affection. The second is sexual pleasure. The third is pleasure associated with dominance and control. Sociopaths experience sex and dominance as enormously more pleasurable than affection. Therefore, they are in relationships to get sex and power, pure and simple.

If you love deeply and feel affection for others, you cannot fathom the inner world of an emotionally disordered person whose primary pleasures are sex and power. To understand another’s world you have to imagine yourself experiencing what the other experiences. You can’t do this with a sociopath.

Louise Gallagher said in her post The six steps of healing from a psychopath that the first step is acceptance. We have to accept that we can only know in part how sociopaths really feel and what they want from us. We can understand intellectually, but never emotionally.

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skylar
13 years ago

Ana,
the thing about envy, is that it isn’t a desire to have something similar to what someone else has. It is being angry that the other person has it.

I might want to have a nice car, but it also makes me happy to see others with a nice car. It doesn’t make me unhappy.

That’s the difference. Spaths don’t just want what others have, they don’t want the others to have it either.

Your co-worker doesn’t have to hate you for losing weight, she can just lose weight too. Why be envious? Why not be happy when others succeed?

Ana
13 years ago

Skylar,AHH, you’re right. Why not be happy when other succeed? I know that saying “To get what you want, help someone else to get what they want” It sounds nice to me; fair.

You are correct, she could lose weight also, and I would cheer her on. No, on a break of a couple hours I will run to the gym. She runs home to sit in her backyard. I told her I might go to the gym, or go run an errand, but I will not go home and sit on my rear during work hours (we are contractors, not employees). Only because it’s so hard to get back up once sitting on ones rear end! LOL

Being angry that someone else has it…sounds like a child to me. I don’t want it, but I don’t want you to have it either..sooo self centerd…

Back_from_the_edge
13 years ago

I don’t know about you guys but MY SPATH acted like he was 12 years old when he was upset that JUST MAYBE you had ANYTHING better than IT…IT never wanted me to be happy nor appreciated ANYTHING ‘happy’ I ever had to say to it. It was always a ‘downer’ and encouraged that in others. ALWAYS. Yes, Ana, I noticed that about them: very immature. Especially when they don’t get their own way.

I especially noticed how they despise it so if you are a person of substance or virtue. They just really really really hate that and are so jealous of the strength we have when we show it. I think that’s why mine has always been so hellbent on destroying me – because HE can’t BE ME and HAVE the same substance I have.

And,yes, I truly believe that ‘rabbit hole’ DOES go that deep with them.

Ana
13 years ago

Duped,
Yes, the rabbit hole goes that deep and then some!

The woman I knew was very negative. She hated other women and called all her co-workers the “c” word. I thought geez, I never realized she’s like this ALL the time…she just hated people in general, men, woman, children. She also has a special needs nephew…she always claimed how much she cared/loved him. In the whole two years she lived above us, we saw him 2 times. Yeah, right. She used him as an excuse not to do things she did not want to do. What a disgrace. Actually, she used everyone for everything!

Thank God you are away from it Duped. He sure sounds like a nasty lil spath…Maybe mine, yours, and everyone elses with burn in the same hell they wanted for us!

Back_from_the_edge
13 years ago

Ana: Their hell is only beginning….
They are LIVING their hell and as I told my spath:

“I am not jumping off anymore cliffs with you nor am I going to travel this insane journey you are on.” And, I meant it. It took me FIVE TIMES BREAKING NC to get it right, and it was hell, getting it right, FINALLY, because my conscious was eating me alive and I didn’t realize that was a ‘trauma bond’ not any real loyalty or sense of ‘just’ or ‘rightness’…

He was horrid. Think of the typical ‘possession’ scenario, like maybe in one of those movies – he was just like that once the mask came off and it was difficult getting away from it. It was just a real exhibition, I can tell you. Things don’t usually ‘scare’ me, and I am not really scared now, or afraid, but I am telling you, seeing THAT – the way IT acts, it’s scarey. Yes. And, it’s loose on the streets with you, me and the children in this life. Nobody is safe from it. If he can see a spot, he will exploit it. It doesn’t matter who you are are what you do or have or don’t have…all it takes is giving them the opportunity.

I am getting this so quickly behind me…
soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo quickly….

I believe in sweet karma…

the only thing missing was the head spinning around…

xxoo

Ana
13 years ago

LOL Duped,
What about the pea soup????? It’s amazing how they can zero in on peoples “soft spots” and exploit the livin’ be geebers out of them.

It’s good that we are here and learning to spot new ones!
No more spaths..NUN!

Back_from_the_edge
13 years ago

ew: pea soup; double ew!

I always have this ‘vision’ of him flying around the room, cracking his bones and his lips all black and the black circles around his eyes, drips of blood coming from his bared teeth…

Like I said (not to be poetic or cute) (seriously) the only thing missing was his head spinning around. NOW THAT IS SCAREY. Almost like it’s not human anymore.

one/joy_step_at_a_time
13 years ago

ana if you are in the US – no problem. 🙂 I ain’t but they are the same.

Ana
13 years ago

Duped,
So, yes, the pea soup fits right into that nightmare. I cannot imagine seeing this IT…Good lawd, he sounds horrendous! God Bless ya Duped, stay safe and more importantly: SOUND!!

one/joy_step_at_a_time
13 years ago

you know – my sib has this zero in on and exploit capability – she has always had it. for her the exploitation was always to hurt the person, not so much (in my experience of her) to manipulate them.

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