“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?” are two questions that often haunt victims of sociopaths. The reason we are haunted by these questions varies but often stems from the habit of over-focusing on the sociopath instead of ourselves. That being said, victims also have a healthy ”˜need to know’ that can help with recovery and healing.
I struggled with these questions in my own healing. I remain baffled by my observations of enjoyment of affection on the part of sociopaths. Early on, I told my own therapist that I had come to the conclusion that sociopaths exploit those close to them to the point of death, then, cry at the funeral. At the moment the tears are shed, I believe they do represent a grief of sorts. The feelings of loss experienced by sociopaths are however, short lived. Victims also have to beware because, although sociopaths are said to be incapable of feelings for those in their lives, they do become obsessed with them. Psychologists have not yet explained this obsession. If they don’t attach, why are they obsessed? Those who have read my other entries know that I believe that sociopaths do attach. It is what they do with attachments that is disordered.
How did he really feel?
In response to the picture of a sociopath crying at his victim’s funeral, my therapist said, “He feels what he tells himself he feels.” To help you understand what my therapist meant, I will explain what is known about how people usually experience feelings.
There are two components to feelings. The first is a physical sensation. When we experience a feeling we feel something in our bodies in relationship to that feeling. Think about loving someone close to you and sense how your body feels. Is it warmth in your heart? That is usually what people report.
There is much evidence that these physical sensations are disordered in sociopaths. Sociopaths do not generally experience the physical and hormonal changes that go along with feeling emotion. If they do experience them, it is to a lesser degree. Physical responses are blunted.
The second component of feelings is called attribution. Attribution is a cognitive process. When I feel that warmth in my heart as I see my children, I attribute the sensation to my love for them. Thus the physical sensation alone does not make emotion. Emotion is physical sensations and our interpretations of these sensations. There is also evidence that the parts of the brain responsible for attribution do not function properly in sociopaths.
There is one emotion that many sociopaths experience in a not so disordered way. This emotion is anger. Sociopaths do have blunted physical responses to anger. Despite this blunted responsiveness, they seem aware of angry feelings and make correct attributions about what makes them angry. Again, science has not even addressed, much less explained this observation.
Since the physical sensations and attributions that allow for the experience of emotion are disordered in sociopaths, their inner world is very different. They are left to make sense of themselves and others without the tools most of us use. Other parts of the brain fill in the missing processes. The person who is credited with first describing sociopathy in depth is Hervey Cleckley. He proposed that sociopaths are at least of average if not above average verbal intelligence. This makes sense because they have to use their verbal intelligence to make up for their lack of emotions. They do indeed feel what they tell themselves they feel. Scientists say they mimic other people’s emotions, yet again there is no real proof of this.
What did he want from me?
This question is easy to answer intellectually, but very hard for victims to accept emotionally. There are three pleasures we get from our love relationships. The first is pleasure in affection. The second is sexual pleasure. The third is pleasure associated with dominance and control. Sociopaths experience sex and dominance as enormously more pleasurable than affection. Therefore, they are in relationships to get sex and power, pure and simple.
If you love deeply and feel affection for others, you cannot fathom the inner world of an emotionally disordered person whose primary pleasures are sex and power. To understand another’s world you have to imagine yourself experiencing what the other experiences. You can’t do this with a sociopath.
Louise Gallagher said in her post The six steps of healing from a psychopath that the first step is acceptance. We have to accept that we can only know in part how sociopaths really feel and what they want from us. We can understand intellectually, but never emotionally.
Hey Erin….
You need to read the Betrayal Bond. It explains how the “bond” is so difficult for us. Once I realized why…because of the “early bond”…I feel like I’m cured of the “obsession” with him. And, The Power of Now describes how our “minds” and “Thoughts” are controlling US. And, we need to control THEM. Thinking of the past (which is over) and the future, (having anxiety and worrying) is what causes our own SELF DESTRUCTION.
Once I read that and understood how to be anything but in the NOW….I block the past and future out of my mind and focus on what I am doing NOW…..it helps so much.
Its true.. The situations in life that happenned in our past, are over. Can’t go back ..can’t change them…it was what it was.
And, the future….we can only plan just so much…We don’t know tomorrow…if we will be killed by a car backing out of our driveway…or…if we will hit the lottery!
This book explained how all you have is NOW. So, I tried applying what I read…and I feel peaceful.
No sense thinking of what happenned…we learned from it. It was just a lesson that taught us something to help us be a better person.
I saw my socio sister in a store today, and she yelled…”Hey, 2b….” as if nothing happenned. Well, she DIDN”T suck me in again. I kept a straight face and walked in the other direction.
I thought about what she has done to me in the past and I refuse to give her the opportunity to turn on me again. I have saved her life several times..took her in…and all she ever did is stab me in the back…This has gone on for 30 yrs!!
Finally I LOVE ME!!! I will never let anyone hurt me again. I am wiser and stronger and I won’t let my thoughts even think of the xmonster. Oh,…they creep in…and I just Force myself to think about ME….a NEW me…I picture myself riding my bike….
Its like changing the channel! And it works!!!
Get those two books ERin and read them.
You will feel like a new person.
I promise. You’ll realize why you have this “bond” with him…and you’ll learn how to control your thoughts.
tobe-thanks. I got to wait for a bit to get more books. I have been spending a lot lately and I have a big truck payment due by 4/23. I will get more later. I still thought about that stupid woman again today. I don’t what my problem is. Maybe Satan is testing me. I am missing sex so much. It’s hard for me.
Tobe, I see that you have grown so much and I admire it. It seems that in such a short time, you have been able to reconcile all that has happened to you. Good for you.
I understand. All I can tell you is that when I realized that I was dealing with a “disease” …not a person…..I stopped all of the anger and trying to figure it out. It was a dysfunctional situation and I have spent alot of time trying to work on ME now. Why, if I know that I don’t want a “disease” to deal with…was I obsessed with thinking about him? I found my answer in The Betrayal Bond. The answer made me realize that it was “trauma bonding” that kept me thinking about him. Then I realized that evertime…since I was in my early twenties and ended r/s’s with sociopaths….I ALWAYS dwelled on them after I left them! Why? TRAUMA BONDING!!!
Once I understood this…then I was able to stop thinking of him. It left me.
So, I got rid of the “disease”and now I am working on ME. MY dysfunction….which is “trauma bonding” from childhood!!!
Funny, but once I started to work on my inner healing..which the workbook pages have you do in the book…..I had a HUGE weight lifted off of me!!! I RAN to get the book. It will be the best 14 dollars you ever spent. You need to buy that book ASAP! Skip lunch tomorrow…lol FIND the money. It will take the pain away. Its work…but you can do it in one or two nights.
You don’t miss the “sex”. You miss the feeling that you were loved…and desired…and wanted…and on some unconscious level….the “trauma bond” which sex keeps reinforcing!
Its okay to think about things, but you have to work on the dysfunction in you that made you get involved with a “disease”.
Understanding yourself will bring you peace.
Jell….I had no choice to work this out of me. I have 3 young teenage girls to take care of…a house that I’m trying to save…and lots of stuff going on in my life.
I HAD to get to the root of this. Actually, I was NC for three months last summer and went back with him from October to February. It was over in NOVEMBER in my mind…and heart.
So, its been awhile. I ended it last April. But, I went back and forth since then.
I have read SO much on Narcissism, Sociopaths…etc…
I have also read about MY issues.
Once I validated that I was with a “sick” person….and that I don’t want him or anyone like him ever again….
I started to work on understanding ME.
THe Betrayal Bond had me do alot of work. Its a workbook.
That is what finally made me realize what “I” was all about…how messed up “I” am to keep doing this to myself over and over and over.
I am getting older. I can’t afford to make any more mistakes that will hurt me ….because it will hurt my girls!
I came too far with them to fall apart now. So, I searched for answers and …THANKS to THIS board….I listened to what other people suggested…books to read….articles on here…and I educated myself and its working.
I am DETERMINED and I feel like a new person already.I’ve changed so much. I don’t “people please” anymore…I don’t “like everyone ” anymore…I don’t trust “indiscriminately” anymore. If anything…I am WISER and STRONGER than I’ve ever been in my life!!!!!!!!
And, I am happier too. I don’t even think of the happiness that I felt with the xsocio…..it was all a dream in my own head. I fantasized the whole thing. He sucked me into the fantasy….and then….I WOKE UP!
When I realized that it was one sided….that it was only ME truly loving ….that I was loving a “disease” not a real person……
Well…at this point…I’m glad I got out and woke up.
As good as the good parts were…the bad was AGONY.
Not worth it.
So…its been a long haul…but I am determined to go on and keep on learning and working on making me the best ME I could be.
tobe-I just feel kind of lonely tonight. I miss curling up with a man and being held tightly and all that. I never enjoyed sex until I met him. I hope that one day I will eventually be able to enjoy it again. I’m just afraid that it won’t ever happen. I’m afraid that I could fine”the one” and not be able to have sex with him because of this guy. Idon’t know how I can ever do it without crying. I do plan on getting the book but I am apprehensive. Does it have a lot of stuff about sexual abuse in it? That makes me uncomfortable.
Tobe..I am new here but readiing your post is very encouraging. I can tell you are strong and healing. Such wisdom to live in each day. We cant look back or ahead too far. Today is all we have.
Erin…you will heal and this will all be history, and you WILL have a NORMAL relationship one day. But, you have to change. You can’t stay the same. You have to face your issues. Otherwise you will just repeat the same “trauma drama” over and over in your life..like “I” did!!! I wish I was your age and KNEW all of this!!! It would have saved me years of misery. The book doesn’t have anything about sexual abuse in it. In my case…I was just verbally and physically abused..not sexually, at home. It was enough to mess me up and make me attract more abuse as I got older.
I wasn’t AWARE of it…thats the difference.
Its NOT “comfortable” to face your messed up childhood. I cried more in the past month than I did my whole life. Its called “healing”. I thank God I have support…some good friends and this board!
I NEVER told anyone in this entire world….something that I remembered throught this whole “process”. I was raped at age 12/13 by a city worker in my town!!! THIS came out of me somehow…came up! I NEVER told a soul that! Not even my closest friend!!!!!!! I buried it for so long…and somehow…the night I first got onto this board…when I was having a major meltdown….I THOUGHT of it. IT friggin surfaced!!!
Being conscious of this….made me realize WHY I am so messed up!!! It was actually healing to remember it. It made me realize that it isn’t my FAULT that I was victim AGAIN to a socio….because I was VICTIMIZED by my own mother as well as this older man!!!!! No wonder I NORMALIZED a diseased persons behavior!!
Yes, Erin…if you want to change and grow and learn..its painful. BUt, if you don’t go through it now…and just avoid your feelings…you will just attract another SICK man…
YOU have to be WELL…in order to attract a person who is WELL…not sick.
GOt it??
FLowerpower…….I am happy to hear that my experience can help others…I would never wish my “issues” on anyone.
Thats why I raised my 3 angels SO differently….to make up for my awful childhood!!!
I really love my life now. I like being alone. I don’t miss being used and abused. It was all a fantasy….
You are so right Tobe, you really do have to face your issues and move foreward. And Erin, I understand that need to be held and comforted. I am recovering from surgery and there were times when I just wanted “him” here to help me and comfort me but then I realized that he wouldn’t be here for me anyway~ he didn’t like to be around if you were sick. It’s all illusion with them and we contribute to the illusion by believing that they were EVER really there for us. They weren’t. Yes the sex was good, yes it was fantastic to be held–for US. They weren’t really present except to get what they wanted from us. They are able to shape shift into what we need to get what they want. They can’t sustain that shape though, they have to morph back into what they really are-the real them.
Erin…I think that if you found a good therapist to talk to, they could guide you through your “family of origin” issues that made you what you are today. Maybe its too much to do on your own. I just found someone local until I can afford to go to Steve on here. Sometimes we need professional help…someone to GUIDE us through it and validate our feelings. If we don’t go back into our childhoods..to understand things..we just might repeat them.
What you miss was a relationship you THOUGHT you had.
YOu were with a man who is DISORDERED and can’t love or give. LIke Jell said…it was all an illusion….or he would be there with you now.
You have to POP into reality. Wake up and realize that you were dealing with a dangerous hurtful cheating liar.
Don’t you feel you deserve better than that????? Come on Erin!!!! I think you do!