“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?” are two questions that often haunt victims of sociopaths. The reason we are haunted by these questions varies but often stems from the habit of over-focusing on the sociopath instead of ourselves. That being said, victims also have a healthy ”˜need to know’ that can help with recovery and healing.
I struggled with these questions in my own healing. I remain baffled by my observations of enjoyment of affection on the part of sociopaths. Early on, I told my own therapist that I had come to the conclusion that sociopaths exploit those close to them to the point of death, then, cry at the funeral. At the moment the tears are shed, I believe they do represent a grief of sorts. The feelings of loss experienced by sociopaths are however, short lived. Victims also have to beware because, although sociopaths are said to be incapable of feelings for those in their lives, they do become obsessed with them. Psychologists have not yet explained this obsession. If they don’t attach, why are they obsessed? Those who have read my other entries know that I believe that sociopaths do attach. It is what they do with attachments that is disordered.
How did he really feel?
In response to the picture of a sociopath crying at his victim’s funeral, my therapist said, “He feels what he tells himself he feels.” To help you understand what my therapist meant, I will explain what is known about how people usually experience feelings.
There are two components to feelings. The first is a physical sensation. When we experience a feeling we feel something in our bodies in relationship to that feeling. Think about loving someone close to you and sense how your body feels. Is it warmth in your heart? That is usually what people report.
There is much evidence that these physical sensations are disordered in sociopaths. Sociopaths do not generally experience the physical and hormonal changes that go along with feeling emotion. If they do experience them, it is to a lesser degree. Physical responses are blunted.
The second component of feelings is called attribution. Attribution is a cognitive process. When I feel that warmth in my heart as I see my children, I attribute the sensation to my love for them. Thus the physical sensation alone does not make emotion. Emotion is physical sensations and our interpretations of these sensations. There is also evidence that the parts of the brain responsible for attribution do not function properly in sociopaths.
There is one emotion that many sociopaths experience in a not so disordered way. This emotion is anger. Sociopaths do have blunted physical responses to anger. Despite this blunted responsiveness, they seem aware of angry feelings and make correct attributions about what makes them angry. Again, science has not even addressed, much less explained this observation.
Since the physical sensations and attributions that allow for the experience of emotion are disordered in sociopaths, their inner world is very different. They are left to make sense of themselves and others without the tools most of us use. Other parts of the brain fill in the missing processes. The person who is credited with first describing sociopathy in depth is Hervey Cleckley. He proposed that sociopaths are at least of average if not above average verbal intelligence. This makes sense because they have to use their verbal intelligence to make up for their lack of emotions. They do indeed feel what they tell themselves they feel. Scientists say they mimic other people’s emotions, yet again there is no real proof of this.
What did he want from me?
This question is easy to answer intellectually, but very hard for victims to accept emotionally. There are three pleasures we get from our love relationships. The first is pleasure in affection. The second is sexual pleasure. The third is pleasure associated with dominance and control. Sociopaths experience sex and dominance as enormously more pleasurable than affection. Therefore, they are in relationships to get sex and power, pure and simple.
If you love deeply and feel affection for others, you cannot fathom the inner world of an emotionally disordered person whose primary pleasures are sex and power. To understand another’s world you have to imagine yourself experiencing what the other experiences. You can’t do this with a sociopath.
Louise Gallagher said in her post The six steps of healing from a psychopath that the first step is acceptance. We have to accept that we can only know in part how sociopaths really feel and what they want from us. We can understand intellectually, but never emotionally.
Louis,
I don’t intend to marry (to me it’s a financial liability), but I don’t want sex outside of a commited relationship anymore (and the relationship with someone who doesn’t have red flags),. Not keen on even dating at the moment. And I’m perfectly at peace with that.
I’ve had one one-night-stand last summer and I was triggered way off the charts… Couldn’t stand him waking me up in my sleep; I showered compulsilvely after every time we had protected sex, because ex-spath trained me too; and I freaked out over my passport not lying where I believed it was (turned out I had put it safely away before that actually). The guy had no idea what was going on with me, and asked, and I told him… “I’m behaving as if I’m intimate with someone I don’t trust (my ex-spath), and while I know you are not my ex, the truth is that I cannot trust you, because I don’t know you at all.”
That’s when I realized I don’t ever want to go through such triggering anymore with someone who I don’t really know and who doesn’t know me. I’m quite sure that even within a relationship built over time, chances are that I will act as triggered as then after being intimate. I only want a most trusted and understanding man to ever witness it, with the actual ability to comfort me in that moment.
Truthspeak,
It must have been someone living in the area, who would be able to see the caravan waiting outside on a daily basis. The first night, several houses got entered from backdoors and backyard (all forgotten closed doors). It was just a lucky coincidence (for him or her) we had that much cash in the house. Of course, once the same circumstances seemed to be present (the caravan outside) he or she thought to have another lucky strike. It also must have been someone either living with parents or partner who didn’t know, and working on his or her own… what was stolen was something that could be put in his or her pocket: cash, chocolate and small clock. The chocolate and small clock we didn’t even notice initially. It’s just that in the same week, I wanted to take a piece and it was gone, and neither my father or mother had finished it (it’s a favourite: milk chocolate with nuts). Same with the clock. It does point out that the burglar couldn’t stand “losing” and still felt “compelled” to take something from us as some kind of victory or memorandum. The chocolate may also point out to the burglar having had a craving caused by drugs.
Louise, my sexual issues are something that I’m going to have to deal with and manage. One thing that I DO know is that I am not willing to risk my safety (emotional or otherwise) for ANY other human being, again, man OR woman. And, sex? After the images, clothing, books, condoms, and movies that stimulated the exspath, I cannot look at another man with innocent expectancy, again. Porn of ALL kinds is too easily available, now – used to be that people who wanted to watch or own “blue” movies or materials would have to go through some serious motions to get it. Now, people can just watch or order this stuff at their own computers in their own homes while their partners and children are baking cookies or mowing the lawn.
The world has changed, and so has our society. I don’t EVER remember hearing about these types of people in such profusion as I do, now. So many people who have such an overblown sense of entitlement, and there are SO many factors feeding into this, including pornography.
And, I want to clarify something. I’m a painter and I’ve painted and sculpted nudes and I have no issues with the human body. But, there is a HUGE difference between pornography (objectification and dehumanization) and EROTICISM (the exploration of sexual satisfaction between partners on a GIVE-AND-TAKE basis). The two aren’t remotely connected to one another.
witsend,
something similar happened to me. I know exactly (or very close) the feeling you are describing.
The week after my ex-husband (spath) moved out of our house (I was divorcing him; he was told to leave and did, but was pissed and became unstable)… he was still coming to the house some evenings to tuck the kids in, and this one night he got very violent, picked up my computer monitor (olden days — those heavy big ones!) in a rage and threatened to hurl it at me, I attempted to stop him (it was a non-thinking gut reaction — in my non-thinking moment, I was thinking “this is my COMPUTER!” not “this is my MONITOR” LOL, but even so, back then, monitors were expensive) — so I grabbed the monitor, he let go of it and put his hands around my neck! I yelled for help because for once in my life, when this violent, sudden stuff happened, there were WITNESSES in the house (we had my parents and another couple over). And could no longer be “he said, she said” which had always prevented me from calling the cops in the past. We called 9-11. He fled the house.
Later… two friends of mine were still at the house… which was locked… we felt safe…
and suddenly we heard the very LOUD CRASH of glass breaking. A rock had been thrown through the window at the back of the house. We lived in a very, very safe suburban neighborhood and there was no way on earth this rock could have been thrown by anybody but HIM.
No longer did I feel safe. We immediately called a locksmith to change all the locks, but I knew that if someone wanted to come in, no lock or window was going to prevent it. It took me 3 weeks before I felt safe leaving the house to even go down to the end of my driveway to check the mailbox. Something about that window shattering, shattered my sense of safety.
It has been about 13 years since that happened and it has faded. But the incident was so traumatic, I know it burned something into me, and I have had triggers since then.
It continues to anger me that he denies it (I actually have enough proof that he did it, based on some things he said at the time, which revealed to me that he could not have known those details unless he had been the one who did it). And in my mind he will always be capable of that — and WORSE. And he is the father of my kids, and the court wants him to have regular visitation with them. And I have to comply and have the appearance of supporting his “father’s rights.”
I swear, if I had mega-millions of bucks, I’d buy my way out of this in court, or buy him out, or something. But I don’t… so I just sort of have to pretend that everything is OK and he is a safe daddy. (I know what can trigger him. Leaving these spouses does not mean that we can stop walking on those eggshells).
darwinsmom:
So sorry you had that triggering experience 🙁
I could feel it as I read your description…how horrible. And it made me wonder if I might react the same if I were to be intimate with someone. But that’s not going to happen so…
Sigh. I “SIGH” a lot!!! Geez.
It’s Easter…I hope everyone is having a good day. I went to church yesterday and it was an awesome service!!!! Then I volunteered in childcare at the next service and it was fun. I had never done it before and now think I am going to do it more often. They were 2-3 year olds. It was really something good to take my mind off of spath and I was serving God at the same time.
Truthspeak:
I TOTALLY agree with you…am there with you all the way on the sexual issues and the porn. You are right…our world has changed so much and not in a good way.
I also am not willing to risk my emotional health or sexual health ever again for someone who could care less about me.
darwinsmom and truthspeak…….totally hear you and agree about sexual feelings post-spath. It’s so difficult to trust in today’s over-stimulated world described perfectly by you, Truthspeak. My husband has a porn addiction and I find it so disgusting. It was bad enough yrs ago, as when you said, it was difficult to get your hands on porn and it was more private. The day we got our first PC, I checked the history that evening and sure enough, the first thing he did was find porn sites…it grosses me out so bad and I don’t want to touch him or anyone now, since the spath. You really took the words and thoughts right out of my mouth/brain re: our society today. Every other TV show takes sexual activity and porn so lightly as if it’s just fine to do nothing else and to hell with anyone who still has some moral conviction. the effect on our kids is staggering.
Athena and Skylar, your posts make me completely cringe. So exactly mirrors my experience. They really have it down…..throwing these innocent, babe-in-the-woods *or* insane, out of place comments out there to distract you from their true intent.
Athena, me too…I was blown away by the breadth of this thing’s (not a person to me) knowledge, it was actually shocking, yet he was, as you say, so cryptic, that I also wondered if he had psychological issues.
Yes, Skylar, the cog/diss thing..I had not thought about that and it is so true. He intentionally wanted to scramble my head so that I wouldn’t know what he was about..after initially hitting on me (ever so cleverly too-in a cryptic but very obvious way) I think he started becoming afraid so I got the mixture of flirting+ distancing+bizarre outbursts. All of this was always in his quiet, smiling way till the end when I could see and hear the desperation in his face and voice….but only at certain times. Till the end, he was a smarmy mess. F him.
Louise, that affection thing blows me away. “The thing” (better for detachment not to say my or mine, as I was reading elsewhere..) in my life was a no-touch even if it was a safe place. Didn’t get affection. He started to tell me that once, then stopped. The thing in your life….wow. But he had no idea how to make you feel good in bed…I’m sure that concept made no sense to him. Actually he sounds like he may be homosexual. But who cares? If you see it from a distance, he is basically poison and who wants to be around that? Wonderful that you are giving to the kids and feeling good about that…you keep those kinds of things up and *also* treat yourself well and kindly, and in no time, you will not miss this guy at ALL. He had nothing for you but pain, disappointment and misery, ++++++he is insane!! Who needs it? I get the draw but like the ring in LOTR (if you’re a fan or even know the story), the draw was impossible for most to resist but to possess it was a one way ticket to insanity and deep horror. that is the story with these “things.” My husband just walked in but I think I’ve said it all…so many good insights today. enjoy the day everyone
Louise,
At the time I was mostly shocked about my grumpiness at being woken and when I couldn’t find my passport immediately… but afterwards it started to sink in that the worst is the compulsive showering after sex. I was NEVER intimately ashamed of my body when I was intimate, but the spath managed to make sex something personally shameful for me. Not through the type of sex, but because he accused me of having a bad smell. It was not a lie, though. It was true. I could smell it too. It was as if my body and his liquids did not match. So, very rapidly I learned to shower EVERY time him and I had sex, and that with special formulas for the intimate areas (and then he still complained that I only had a “normal” shower but once a day… But if you counted my showering with the after-sex shower I showered at least twice a day). Never worked completely though. Only thing that really helped was NOT having sex with the spath.
It’s not somthing you explain easily or talk about to people. Only my best friend, my mom and my therapist knows about this compulsive showering after sex… and I only revealed the cause of it last December. And it disturbed and shocked them so much, that it preyed their minds even for days. They both feel its the worst he’s done to me, and it’s the first issue my best friend asked me about… “Why the hell did you stay with that scumbag for so long when that occurred in the first few weeks?” Because I was bonded, addicted and ignored the pain and wilfully ignored he ever said it emotionally. It returned only in a nightmare after going NC for a month, a nightmare of a night that caused me to oversleep and how the hell do you explain that to your boss? “Sorry, I had a triggering nightmare about my psycho ex about when he told me I smelled like fish, so I cried for the first time over it for hours, until I was totally exhausted.”…. EUhm, guess not. She put it on my file of facts as a reason to fire me. And then he dares to complain last week that I ruined his life by exposing what he does on one of those exposing sites and that I should give him a chance now for a new life since it’s been a year ago that we split? When he threatens to fuck me over and ruin my life in return over it, it means little to me… he had already ruined many parts of my life anyway – my joy of sexuality, my finances and my job last year.
So, in essence I’m avoiding feeling ashamed of how my body may respond to a man after being intimate with him. I only want to fess up that hurt and malice from the spah to a man I CAN completely trust.
“Spaths are ALL about causing cog/diss. They want us to be as fruity as they are. By the time you realize that you accepted the evil they presented you with because they seemed sooooo nice and lovable, you are already slimed inside and out. ”
Skylar, that just makes me sick to my stomach. On one hand it makes me feel anxious and panicky to know I completely (with some reservation) bought his crap. On the other, it’s good to keep it and your whole post in mind as a way to continue to distance yourself from something that is so harmful to your very essence and core.
The danger they present to one mentally and emotionally is really frightening. I feel rotten for all who have shared how they feel about sex and trust, etc., because of a sick louse that is nothing but malevolence personnified. I think these psychos can hold themselves back, they just don’t WANT to.
darwinsmom:
It’s not you…you most likely have a vaginal infection. It’s either Bacterial Vaginosis or Trichomoniasis. Both of these infections tend to leave a fishy smell after intercourse because of the mix with semen. PLEASE get to a doctor and get treated. I knew this is what you had immediately when you said “my body and his liquids did not match.” You will feel great in no time if you get treated and then no more odor…yay!! And then if you are not going to have sex again (at least for a long time), you won’t have to worry about being infected again. You will feel great and smell great!!!! 🙂
PS: Oh, and you won’t have to compulsively shower!!!