“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?” are two questions that often haunt victims of sociopaths. The reason we are haunted by these questions varies but often stems from the habit of over-focusing on the sociopath instead of ourselves. That being said, victims also have a healthy ”˜need to know’ that can help with recovery and healing.
I struggled with these questions in my own healing. I remain baffled by my observations of enjoyment of affection on the part of sociopaths. Early on, I told my own therapist that I had come to the conclusion that sociopaths exploit those close to them to the point of death, then, cry at the funeral. At the moment the tears are shed, I believe they do represent a grief of sorts. The feelings of loss experienced by sociopaths are however, short lived. Victims also have to beware because, although sociopaths are said to be incapable of feelings for those in their lives, they do become obsessed with them. Psychologists have not yet explained this obsession. If they don’t attach, why are they obsessed? Those who have read my other entries know that I believe that sociopaths do attach. It is what they do with attachments that is disordered.
How did he really feel?
In response to the picture of a sociopath crying at his victim’s funeral, my therapist said, “He feels what he tells himself he feels.” To help you understand what my therapist meant, I will explain what is known about how people usually experience feelings.
There are two components to feelings. The first is a physical sensation. When we experience a feeling we feel something in our bodies in relationship to that feeling. Think about loving someone close to you and sense how your body feels. Is it warmth in your heart? That is usually what people report.
There is much evidence that these physical sensations are disordered in sociopaths. Sociopaths do not generally experience the physical and hormonal changes that go along with feeling emotion. If they do experience them, it is to a lesser degree. Physical responses are blunted.
The second component of feelings is called attribution. Attribution is a cognitive process. When I feel that warmth in my heart as I see my children, I attribute the sensation to my love for them. Thus the physical sensation alone does not make emotion. Emotion is physical sensations and our interpretations of these sensations. There is also evidence that the parts of the brain responsible for attribution do not function properly in sociopaths.
There is one emotion that many sociopaths experience in a not so disordered way. This emotion is anger. Sociopaths do have blunted physical responses to anger. Despite this blunted responsiveness, they seem aware of angry feelings and make correct attributions about what makes them angry. Again, science has not even addressed, much less explained this observation.
Since the physical sensations and attributions that allow for the experience of emotion are disordered in sociopaths, their inner world is very different. They are left to make sense of themselves and others without the tools most of us use. Other parts of the brain fill in the missing processes. The person who is credited with first describing sociopathy in depth is Hervey Cleckley. He proposed that sociopaths are at least of average if not above average verbal intelligence. This makes sense because they have to use their verbal intelligence to make up for their lack of emotions. They do indeed feel what they tell themselves they feel. Scientists say they mimic other people’s emotions, yet again there is no real proof of this.
What did he want from me?
This question is easy to answer intellectually, but very hard for victims to accept emotionally. There are three pleasures we get from our love relationships. The first is pleasure in affection. The second is sexual pleasure. The third is pleasure associated with dominance and control. Sociopaths experience sex and dominance as enormously more pleasurable than affection. Therefore, they are in relationships to get sex and power, pure and simple.
If you love deeply and feel affection for others, you cannot fathom the inner world of an emotionally disordered person whose primary pleasures are sex and power. To understand another’s world you have to imagine yourself experiencing what the other experiences. You can’t do this with a sociopath.
Louise Gallagher said in her post The six steps of healing from a psychopath that the first step is acceptance. We have to accept that we can only know in part how sociopaths really feel and what they want from us. We can understand intellectually, but never emotionally.
still reeling, I think they feel a compulsion to slime others because they are so filled with slime themselves.
My spath had a spath father but he worshipped him and hated his mother for leaving the spaths father.
It seems to me that the years he was with his dad must’ve left him slimed. Then he left home at age 12 and lived with a prostitute. That really must’ve added to the slime, but it wasn’t the beginning, I know because he told me how manipulative he was before he ran away.
I think that they want everyone to feel the way they do.
Louise, it makes sense… I never had that smell response before in my life. I had myself tested ( urine and blood) for all type of sexual transmitted diseases after the break-up and I realized how much and often he had cheated on me. And everything came back negative, luckily. But not a discharge slab test, I suspect it must have come from him though, since the smell response developed after a couple of weeks with him, and grew worse over time.
still reeling:
Yeah, imagine how I felt? The affection and touching was unbelievable and then nothing. He was so lovable and then it was gone. It does blow ones mind. It really does. He sent me a text one time during the time AFTER I left my job. He had seen me that day walking down the street and I didn’t know it. He texted me later that evening saying he had seen me. The text said, “Tall, sleek, elegant, shades of black (he meant my hair) and sunglasses.” That summed me up in a nutshell. My reply to him was “You are sweet” and he replied back, “I am” So…he WAS sweet, but then he would turn around and just disappear. But being married, I could see why he disappeared. And for anyone wondering if he is truly spath, trust me, he is. The things he did and the way he did them and the way his mind works…there is no doubt.
VERY interesting when you said he may be homosexual. You know how they tell “tales?” Well, while he was separated, he pretty much just lived his life inside a bar when he was not at work. He had an apartment and was alone so I’m guessing he would rather drink himself to death at a bar rather than sit alone in his apartment. So he tells me that at this one bar he frequented all the time that there were some gays there and I think he said one approached him. He said, “I’m not homophobic” but then said something to the affect about how he didn’t like it, blah, blah, blah. Hmmmmm, I wondered then if he might be because of that comment…it seemed like he was projecting. I wouldn’t doubt it. Perhaps he is a tormented, closeted homosexual alcoholic and chases women and drinks to cover it all up…who knows!!!!!!
darwinsmom:
Urine and blood tests wouldn’t pick up this infection I don’t think. The discharge has to actually be looked at under a microscope. Try again and see if this doesn’t help. Good luck to you 🙂
Yup, Louise, what I read from it just now it needs discharge directly taken from the vagina in order to confirm it. Based on symptom description I’m inclined to believe it’s the bacterial one that you suggested. There were no other symptoms, no change of colour, just white (and a lot of it), no itching or burning sensation. It seemed PH related, which was why I used vaginal showers with PH balancing formula for. But I also read that vaginal showers seems to be linked causially to it. So, what I used to balance the symptoms may made it worse during the course of the relationship. It’s not a STD, but I’ve always had this suspicion it may have been stress related, and of course with him stress rose to unprecedented heights quickly. I wonder if stress may have caused an overgrowth of the natural variety of bacterias present and caused it… it felt as if my body was in a way trying to reject him.
darwinsmom:
Exactly! It’s not an STD and is actually very common. It’s just when the normal pH of the vagina is altered that it can flare up. The balances of the bacteria get messed up. I’m sure stress can play a role.
You will be on your way to healing soon!! Yay!
Stress can compromise the immune system and trigger opprtunistic infeftions in otherwise healhy persons. Yeast infections can become severe, thrush…
In my case it was Shingles. I also lost a bunch of weight, had constant diahhrehia… being a gay man, doctors at the hospital believed I was most likely HIV+.
darwinsmom
When I was reading your post and the play by play of him walking up the creaky stairs I found myself holding my breath!
I was SO relieved when you said it was a dream….Lol. I couldn’t even imagine coming face to face….
Your dream is kind of realistic of what this kind of experience leaves behind though.
I still have one of the two dogs that didn’t bark or react all those years ago to that broken window crash. My little dog passed.
My other dog is old now. And he is very sweet. But when I go to bed at night I am realistic knowing that he ain’t no watch dog!
I don’t suppose that I will ever sleep like I used to though. Kind of have that hypervigilance that I didn’t have before. And although it has subsided some over the years it is still with me.
I have a lot of stuff to do today so am kinda using this as a way to procrastinate! But, that does not subtract from how happy I am that with the great help of Louise, darwinsmom, you have had a life-changing uber-positive breakthru, physically and emotionally as well, I hope! WOW! Leave it to a path to cause you a problem, then call it a turnoff to him. And you can be through with the showering, bad thoughts about yourself, the smell! This is truly great.
I hear you Skylar. the path you were involved had a crappy life, no doubt, awful, and yeah, sounds like his form of revenge for this is to make everyone as miserable as he is. the most horrible part is that he “can.” The way they can twist you around is almost uncanny but as I said earlier, they choose their victims well. Obviously, the path I dealt with finally either met his match or was caught. I know he couldn’t do his job at all anymore for being involved in G-d knows what. He was completely brain dead towards the end. And he had a very high level job. What a shame that they are THAT sick.
Louise, the affection thing blows my mind….I can’t believe he watched you walk down the street, let you know how you looked to him, you told him he was sweet (LOUISE!!!! NO!!) and he said in true narc style “I am!” OMG-that makes me completely sick. Yeah, he’s sweet all right. Disgusting! This is really bizarre because I fantacize a lot and I often think that the path is watching me just exactly as you described yours really was. Pathetic isn’t it? I know it’s not true but it’s part of the hanging on process for me.
“thing” was very homophobic and always wanted to discuss whether homosexuality was a result of nature or nurture. Not to upset anyone, but I’m liberal in belief, and don’t care what anyone does or is as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else. I used to like to debate that topic but now I don’t care if it’s inherent or not. He had a real thing about it tho and about religion overall. I think rel may have been shoved down his throat as a kid. He never would talk too much about all that. Something was def messed up during his youth tho. Very sick individual….def NOT a person in any sense of the word.
So glad for Dr Louise’s diagnosis and the diff this will make in your life, darwinsonsmom.
20years,
Your story closely relates to the reason I told my story to begin with.
And that is once you KNOW something. Experience something bad, whatever it may be….It is something that you can’t just go “back” like it never happened.
It is now part of your frame of reference. And that makes us “view” things so differently.
I found it very interesting that you “noted” that the window breaking really shattered your sense of safety.
Because I have often thought that.
Waking up out of a DEAD sleep with that window breaking (so loudly) that night just put me in a state of UNKNOWN stranger danger kind of fear that I hadn’t experienced before.
Loud noises still trigger me.
I am sorry that you experienced this with your childrens father. Ugh.