“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?” are two questions that often haunt victims of sociopaths. The reason we are haunted by these questions varies but often stems from the habit of over-focusing on the sociopath instead of ourselves. That being said, victims also have a healthy ”˜need to know’ that can help with recovery and healing.
I struggled with these questions in my own healing. I remain baffled by my observations of enjoyment of affection on the part of sociopaths. Early on, I told my own therapist that I had come to the conclusion that sociopaths exploit those close to them to the point of death, then, cry at the funeral. At the moment the tears are shed, I believe they do represent a grief of sorts. The feelings of loss experienced by sociopaths are however, short lived. Victims also have to beware because, although sociopaths are said to be incapable of feelings for those in their lives, they do become obsessed with them. Psychologists have not yet explained this obsession. If they don’t attach, why are they obsessed? Those who have read my other entries know that I believe that sociopaths do attach. It is what they do with attachments that is disordered.
How did he really feel?
In response to the picture of a sociopath crying at his victim’s funeral, my therapist said, “He feels what he tells himself he feels.” To help you understand what my therapist meant, I will explain what is known about how people usually experience feelings.
There are two components to feelings. The first is a physical sensation. When we experience a feeling we feel something in our bodies in relationship to that feeling. Think about loving someone close to you and sense how your body feels. Is it warmth in your heart? That is usually what people report.
There is much evidence that these physical sensations are disordered in sociopaths. Sociopaths do not generally experience the physical and hormonal changes that go along with feeling emotion. If they do experience them, it is to a lesser degree. Physical responses are blunted.
The second component of feelings is called attribution. Attribution is a cognitive process. When I feel that warmth in my heart as I see my children, I attribute the sensation to my love for them. Thus the physical sensation alone does not make emotion. Emotion is physical sensations and our interpretations of these sensations. There is also evidence that the parts of the brain responsible for attribution do not function properly in sociopaths.
There is one emotion that many sociopaths experience in a not so disordered way. This emotion is anger. Sociopaths do have blunted physical responses to anger. Despite this blunted responsiveness, they seem aware of angry feelings and make correct attributions about what makes them angry. Again, science has not even addressed, much less explained this observation.
Since the physical sensations and attributions that allow for the experience of emotion are disordered in sociopaths, their inner world is very different. They are left to make sense of themselves and others without the tools most of us use. Other parts of the brain fill in the missing processes. The person who is credited with first describing sociopathy in depth is Hervey Cleckley. He proposed that sociopaths are at least of average if not above average verbal intelligence. This makes sense because they have to use their verbal intelligence to make up for their lack of emotions. They do indeed feel what they tell themselves they feel. Scientists say they mimic other people’s emotions, yet again there is no real proof of this.
What did he want from me?
This question is easy to answer intellectually, but very hard for victims to accept emotionally. There are three pleasures we get from our love relationships. The first is pleasure in affection. The second is sexual pleasure. The third is pleasure associated with dominance and control. Sociopaths experience sex and dominance as enormously more pleasurable than affection. Therefore, they are in relationships to get sex and power, pure and simple.
If you love deeply and feel affection for others, you cannot fathom the inner world of an emotionally disordered person whose primary pleasures are sex and power. To understand another’s world you have to imagine yourself experiencing what the other experiences. You can’t do this with a sociopath.
Louise Gallagher said in her post The six steps of healing from a psychopath that the first step is acceptance. We have to accept that we can only know in part how sociopaths really feel and what they want from us. We can understand intellectually, but never emotionally.
still reeling:
I have to get ready soon also to go meet some friends, but thanks so much for your post. You made me feel good to realize that I was able to help darwinsmom.
So funny you should say that about your thing having a high position and not being able to perform his duties at work because of all that was going on. I have NO idea how mine has kept afloat in his high ranking, high paying position…probably about 300K per year. If I wrote all here that I know he has dealt with while also trying to maintain his job, it would blow your mind. He is a mess. Did your spath have chidren??
Yep, can you believe it? He was at a bar across the street from where I was getting my hair colored at the time and it’s a bar right on the street with open windows and it was summertime. I had no idea he was there and didn’t even look over in that direction as I knew he frequented that bar, but I had no idea he was there. I had sent him an email earlier that day and of course he didn’t reply…he never did. So I texted him and asked him if he had received my email and he said, “No, but I got your text.” Then that’s when he said “I saw you today.” And proceeded to describe what he had “seen” as I walked down the street. HA!! I know…I shouldn’t have told him he was sweet, but that’s how our relationship was at that time. It was very complimentary and warm and then he would disappear. And no sex…just playing with words with me. Yep, and he said “I am”…haha! GEEZ.
Hmmmm, yours being homophobic also makes me wonder about yours!!! Why would he have always wanted to discuss the nature or nurture thing??? I mean, most heterosexual men don’t go around WANTING to talk about that! Mine also had a thing about religion! He was raised Catholic and it obviously turned him off big time…even went to Catholic schools. I often wondered if he was abused by a Priest or something? Mine wouldn’t talk about it much either…so many similarities. He even told me that when he and his wife had gone to counseling that as soon as he realized it was affiliated with the church, he got up and walked out. Something was also messed up during mine’s childhood, without a doubt!!!
Darwinsmom,
I occasionally lurk here but don’t usually feel inclined to post. However, I logged in after I read your post about the vaginal discharge and the way your ex humiliated you over it. Any time a woman has a malodorous discharge, there is usually a problem, and most commonly it is a vaginal infection. Some women get them just from rigorous sex, even when using condoms. (I’ve had that happen). The last time I got one was in 2010 in Costa Rica. After a round of antibiotics, it seemed to go away but then it came back with a vengeance when I returned. I was really freaked out about it – I thought I had some STD. It turns out I had forgotten to take the last tampon out after my period. So I had a retained tampon for 3 weeks!!! Just something to always check when you notice symptoms. As soon as I removed it, the symptoms cleared up. I had, in fact, gotten an infection from it, too. It is nothing to be ashamed of, and any time a man tells you something doesn’t smell right, just have it checked out – do NOT allow a man to humiliate you over this, and do not continue to have intercourse with this condition (or oral sex) until it’s cleared up. It is a normal natural female issue, and we all get them. I personally can relate to how humiliating it is when a man makes you feel as though sex with you really is not all that. Sometimes they can do it in words, sometimes (in my case) just by never calling you again or by being around you and talking about other women. I hate it that we women take this so personally. With the right man, your sexuality will blossom, and you will feel like a woman again.
Also, I wanted to mention that there is a subset of men who just hate women and don’t like the way they smell. You will hear these men say all women smell “fishy” down there. Usually these types of men don’t like oral sex (giving) either. This is more about the man than about the woman. Again, a woman should NEVER take this personally. It’s good to know if you are dating this type of man because it will really mess with your self-esteem.
A caring partner will be sensitive about something like this. Do NOT let this ruin you for ever having sex again. This is for darwinsmom, louise, and everyone! My vacation romance was wonderful to me while I had this issue. I told him I had a problem and needed to get treated before we could have certain kinds of sex. It did not affect his desire for me or our romance. He was very supportive and helped me find a pharmacy where I could get antibiotics. In fact, it became our quest. He went with me and waited outside.
It pisses me off to no end how misogynist or immature men can make women feel bad about their bodies and their sexuality. We need to reclaim that part of ourselves in a big way. Don’t let these men do this to you! Enjoying our sexuality is part of loving ourselves and being empowered. Don’t let a man take that away from you.
Your post really just struck a note, so I hope this helps at all.
Love,
Star
There are various conditions that can cause a malodorous discharge from a woman and it is ALWAYS something for you to see your medical practitioner for.
Some are “yeast” and will respond to over the counter medication.
Some are bacterial and will require antibiotics. Treating for one thing and being wrong will cause the one you have to get worse. Also, for some things the partner must also be treated before the problem can be fixed.
It is important that you be tested and treated correctly. some conditions if left Untreated for too long can cause infertility or pelvic inflammatory disease.
While using condoms during sexual encounters is good, they do not prevent “everything” from being transmitted from partner to partner, and since even with condom use, (and them not breaking) there is some bodily contact near the vagina there can be any number of things transmitted.
A male friend of mine that I have known since childhood recently was diagnosed with HPV and had a pretty bad case of warts. He and I were discussing this and I asked him if he used condoms, and he said, “No, I dont’ have sex with anyone I don’t know well enough to not use a condom, I just don’t like them.”
I used the Dr. Phil question—well HOW IS THAT WORKING FOR YOU? LOL ROTFLMAO
I gave my friend the “lecture” I would have given a 15 year old about condom use and how not using condoms could cost you your life, and even with condoms there is a risk of sexually transmitted diseases.
My old comment of “what is the difference between herpes and true love?” HERPES IS FOREVER!
I still don’t think I convinced my friend to practice SAFER sex and I have a pretty good idea of the “quality” of the partners he is dealing with, most of them I think have pretty well “been around the park” a time or two.
I told him that I personally would not go to bed with someone unless they had been tested for STDS and he said “well what if they said NO?” And I looked at him and said, “well, then I wouldn’t go to bed with them.”
I still dont’ think he got it.
I realize I am pretty conservative, and it isn’t just a religious thing, it is a personal thing of I don’t want to crawl into bed with anyone that isn’t a “committed relationship” and I want to make sure that they aren’t going to give me something that Pen-V-K won’t cure.
witsend, when I woke I was first relieved it was only a dream, and then I noticed I was wearing my night shirt… and the only part of the dream that had some “dream strangeness” to it was the ladder part, so I then feared that maybe only that part had been a dream; that I had fallen asleep for a few minutes and dreamt that part while I was waiting for him to be outside. Not until I had confirmed that every lock and door was still locked was I sure that the rest of the dream was actually a dream. 😀
Thank you Louise for coming up with the possible issue/cause. I will see my doctor about it this week. I plan to have a total gyno chec- up too this yar and start a process to harvest eggs for insimination for the future. My best friend has at least agreed to be a donor. We’ll find what is possible or not, practically and legally in that department. An anonymous donor is the last thing I’d want (we all know why 😉 )
Stargazer, thank you for your kind words. It’s true that he shouldn’t be able to ruin my sex life in such a shameful way. At least, thanks to Louise, I now feel I can take control of what was so shameful for me. But I will still feel that I only wish to have sex with someone I feel I CAN trust, someone I can count on being SENSITIVE.
Louise, I would not be shocked at all if “it” was a homosexual, transgender, transvestite or a mutant robot for that matter. I have no idea what that thing is, was or will be. It just bewilders me that folks can get so sucked into their “charms?” Boggles the mind.
Yes, he’s a dad, SHUDDER. I have seen him display his parenting skills, and once again, SHUDDER. Phony, weird, non-responsive. I’m hoping since it was in the office, maybe he’s a bit better when they’re alone. He could have been feeling afraid that someone else he hit on in the office might say or do something. I have no idea who or if he did hit on someone else but I did hear rumors….from him-he said he was being set up – ccchyeah, right. He wanted me to support/back him up if I was “asked” about it..hahaha. I would have………back then. Not now.
Stargazer I love your post. Sure wish I’d known those things in the past….I had a similar experience with one person (actually my husband) and have never felt confident or at ease with him because of it. He can’t stand any smells at all except food. And it has made our sex life….well non pretty non-existent. Another reason I wouldn’t have slept with the path. Wouldn’t have felt confident about odor that prob isn’t even there. I like what you had to say, very empowering. I was too embarrassed to ask the dr. Did try a few things like Summer’s Eve and it just gave me a damned yeast infection.
Oh well.
Can’t look back.
Last week I received a threaten and angry mail from the ex-spath ordering to delete the exposing profile I made, after the manipulation by his sister didn’t work. I chose to reply in a business like mind telling him that he had one last chance to ask me VERY politely and then I’d at least consider it, and that I would mark his email address as spam irregardless of the content of one more mail. And tonight that very polite mail came in Spanish. Of course he doesn’t acknowledge his wrongdoing, trying to make himself look like the one who had the guts to pull out the plug when I was so unhappy in the relationship (because he totally ignored me and was cheating on me)… Anyone pass me the bucket, please!!!! But I never expected him to admit he was a bad person anyhow. But at least he asked very politely (the mask I expected him to be capable of), so that I feel my decision is freely the one I prefer the most right FOR ME AND MY CONSCIOUS. Personally, I prefer to let the whole past go, so I’ll probably remove it. Yes, it does interfere with him, but it’s interfering with me now too… and I don’t want that at all.
I deleted the profile, put his email address in my spam list and answered “That’s a better mask. I’ve deleted it. If people wish to believe your words they can.”
They do want to rewrite history don’t they… he called it “growing apart” and “not having much to say to each other anymore” and he “blamed himself for putting his head in the sand for so long” and apologizing profusely for hurting me when that was the last he wanted to do. He admitted he tried to get his family and “ex-gf” angry with me and asking me to delete the profile.
LOL… he was the one who fell off the earth for long times, chasing other women, cheating on me, handing several women at the same time, telling people we were on a break, that he didn’t know how to undo the “relationship status” on fb…yadayadayada
At first I didn’t know which ex-gf he meant (only one who spoke me about it was his sister and she wasn’t even angry at me… his real ex-es have no qualms with me at all and never mentioned a thing), but I think he means his actual girlfriend in London. She tried to contact me on the profile site past week in a panic, I ignored her, she blocked me, then unblocked me, etc… She claimed to have kicked him out in June last year, but all other people I knew told me they were still listed as a couple on fb. Besides both have a couple pic up on their profile.
LOL… Still compartmentalizing. That is the evidence of it being a mask.
Ah well, good luck on the both of them. I feel free now.
I wish I had the guts to expose my xspath.