“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?” are two questions that often haunt victims of sociopaths. The reason we are haunted by these questions varies but often stems from the habit of over-focusing on the sociopath instead of ourselves. That being said, victims also have a healthy ”˜need to know’ that can help with recovery and healing.
I struggled with these questions in my own healing. I remain baffled by my observations of enjoyment of affection on the part of sociopaths. Early on, I told my own therapist that I had come to the conclusion that sociopaths exploit those close to them to the point of death, then, cry at the funeral. At the moment the tears are shed, I believe they do represent a grief of sorts. The feelings of loss experienced by sociopaths are however, short lived. Victims also have to beware because, although sociopaths are said to be incapable of feelings for those in their lives, they do become obsessed with them. Psychologists have not yet explained this obsession. If they don’t attach, why are they obsessed? Those who have read my other entries know that I believe that sociopaths do attach. It is what they do with attachments that is disordered.
How did he really feel?
In response to the picture of a sociopath crying at his victim’s funeral, my therapist said, “He feels what he tells himself he feels.” To help you understand what my therapist meant, I will explain what is known about how people usually experience feelings.
There are two components to feelings. The first is a physical sensation. When we experience a feeling we feel something in our bodies in relationship to that feeling. Think about loving someone close to you and sense how your body feels. Is it warmth in your heart? That is usually what people report.
There is much evidence that these physical sensations are disordered in sociopaths. Sociopaths do not generally experience the physical and hormonal changes that go along with feeling emotion. If they do experience them, it is to a lesser degree. Physical responses are blunted.
The second component of feelings is called attribution. Attribution is a cognitive process. When I feel that warmth in my heart as I see my children, I attribute the sensation to my love for them. Thus the physical sensation alone does not make emotion. Emotion is physical sensations and our interpretations of these sensations. There is also evidence that the parts of the brain responsible for attribution do not function properly in sociopaths.
There is one emotion that many sociopaths experience in a not so disordered way. This emotion is anger. Sociopaths do have blunted physical responses to anger. Despite this blunted responsiveness, they seem aware of angry feelings and make correct attributions about what makes them angry. Again, science has not even addressed, much less explained this observation.
Since the physical sensations and attributions that allow for the experience of emotion are disordered in sociopaths, their inner world is very different. They are left to make sense of themselves and others without the tools most of us use. Other parts of the brain fill in the missing processes. The person who is credited with first describing sociopathy in depth is Hervey Cleckley. He proposed that sociopaths are at least of average if not above average verbal intelligence. This makes sense because they have to use their verbal intelligence to make up for their lack of emotions. They do indeed feel what they tell themselves they feel. Scientists say they mimic other people’s emotions, yet again there is no real proof of this.
What did he want from me?
This question is easy to answer intellectually, but very hard for victims to accept emotionally. There are three pleasures we get from our love relationships. The first is pleasure in affection. The second is sexual pleasure. The third is pleasure associated with dominance and control. Sociopaths experience sex and dominance as enormously more pleasurable than affection. Therefore, they are in relationships to get sex and power, pure and simple.
If you love deeply and feel affection for others, you cannot fathom the inner world of an emotionally disordered person whose primary pleasures are sex and power. To understand another’s world you have to imagine yourself experiencing what the other experiences. You can’t do this with a sociopath.
Louise Gallagher said in her post The six steps of healing from a psychopath that the first step is acceptance. We have to accept that we can only know in part how sociopaths really feel and what they want from us. We can understand intellectually, but never emotionally.
Still Reeling, there’s one constant that I’ve noticed when reading or verbally sharing experiences with sociopaths and that is that they all follow a set pattern of attacks. They may each be different in different situations with different people and different circumstances, but they ALL use the same ploys at just about the SAME times and will alter their attack plans, almost identically.
I’m also sad that anyone has to experience these events in life. Each one of us has had a horrific experience, with many of us having multiple exposures to sociopaths. The collateral damages and residual carnage is indescribable to most people – these things MUST be exaggerated because nobody could BE as cruel, sick, twisted, warped, perverted, and DEVIANT as the sociopaths are being described. We know differently. We know that they are, indeed, all of those things and then some.
Having said that, I feel that all things happen for “A Reason.” Had things not happened in such an order to such a degree, I never would have found this site which helped me to deal with current issues, and prepare me for the ugliest series of events in my lifetime, to date. Each of you is precious to me – from Donna’s courage at OUTING Montgomery to the person who is reading and absorbing and adding up the sum total of the sociopath in their own life. Without you all, I would surely have lost my mind.
Brightest blessings to each and every survivor.
still reeling,
I’ll explain the study and tests they did. Test subjects had to click on a mouse, and 6 secs later an image would appear on screen. It could be a neutral image, or one that would evoke emotions (including sexual and violent images). They showed the image for 3 secs, and then there was a 10 secs wait period before the test subject could click the mouse again. Which image they’d get was randomly selected by the puter. Meanwhile the subjects skin, heart and brain reactions were measured. The test persons believed they were measured on their responses to the image, but the test was created to measure what would happen in those 6 secs after mouse clicking and before seeing the image.
The results were that both the brain and heart showed a significantly different pattern about 1 sec after clicking the mouse when the image ended up being an image that would evoke emotions once seen. It was as if the heart and brain KNEW 5 secs before seeing it, that the randomly selected image would be an emotive picture. This happened with the majority of hte subjects (men and women), and was too significant and consistent to be coincidence (when they used the most conservative statistical methods).
They used a perfected method to test the same thing, but with a roulette game. This time a person had to signal a start off, then had 3 secs to choose color (red or black), and then about 13 secs before consciously knowing the outcome. Even before the choice was made (red or black), but 1 sec after the test person started the trial, heart and brain showed different patterns depending on the outcome being black and red (whether they had conscously chosen the right color or not).
So, in both studies, a test subject had started a chain of random events he cannot possible predict the outcome of (cause-result), and yet our bodies (heart and brain) show different patterns related to the outcome.
Since it’s known that spaths do not have a different brain response to neutral or emotional pictures when they’re visible, I very much doubt they’d even would show a different brain and heart response BEFORE it’s known what type of image will be seen. Hence, they would not be able to “intuit” a future outcome once they start a series of random events.
Darwinsmom, knowing the mechanics of the testing makes it even more chilling when examining the functions of spathy.
Good Morning All
I have not been on this site for a long time. Got really sick and was in the hospital for 3 weeks. Came home and ended up back in hospital for surgery. Now finally feeling a little better.
I can totally relate to all of your most recent posts… safety, infidelity etc. We, together, will get through all of this and be stronger and a lot wiser for the better. I truly believe all happens for a reason. We just do not understand it all right now. But somehow, and someday it will all make sense.
I have a few questions that perhaps you all can help me with some understanding.
I was married to a spath for 17 very long years. I went for my annual check up while I was still married to him and was horrified to learn that I got an STD from my husband. When I confronted him with the news, he simply stated that he couldn’t have given it to me. I listened and STILL stayed with him for an additional 5 more years. His story was I was the one cheating — so not true. I finally put the pieces together and recalled him telling me that he needed to see a doctor because he was bleeding in his male parts and then started crying. I was in complete denial about his infidelities and everything else he told me. So very guilible. I never asked the outcome of his doctors visit. I will probably never know now. Hence, I am now living with an STD because of his infidelity. I had to be tested for everything. I am so grateful to God that I did not contract AIDS. Who knows how many infidelities he had. I still cannot believe that I was in such denial and so very trusting. I knew in my head what was going on, but my heart did not want to accept it all. Sad, why so many people in today’s society do not take marriage seriously.
I learned recently about a website called Ashley Madison. Anyone familiar with this one? Well, let me tell you all about it. It is site for married people to have affairs. Men, of course, have to pay for it, while women are able to get in for free. The married men will even put their pictures on the site. I was shocked and wondered if my husband was participating on this site. You all may interesting.
On the other subject of safety….. please I need some advice from all of you. I recently learned that my ex hired a P I to find me. I have moved 3x since I divorced him some 4 years ago. I had restraining orders…. he violated them. He told me that if he cannot have me no body will. The things he has done to me and my friends is horrifying. I can’t do anything without constantly looking over my shoulder. Does anyone have any ideas? I did contact the local police. They told me there is nothing they can do unless he starts to harass me.
I just want to be left alone. Please advice would be helpful. I have to go back to court soon for child support issues. He refuses to comply with court orders and I believe has been hiding a lot of money for many years. He does not want to be caught. I am afraid because my attorney is pushing this issue that he may threaten me.
Survivor,
Unless court can put him into jail for not paying child support or can lift visitation rights from him because he doesn’t pay, then why would you go to court again and thereby risk the chance of him finding out where you are? It seems to me, from what I’ve read from others is that court can only make a noted fact of it that he doesn’t pay, order him to pay, and he’ll still not pay. You won’t ever see that money, so is it worth risking your safety for?
still reeling:
Yes, believe it or not, sometimes I think they want to get caught. It’s just like a little boy (which is what they are) who wants discipline from a parent. That’s why I say and am convinced, they marry their mothers. They want a woman who is going to take care of everything for them just like a mom. And mine’s wife is not attractive at all…she kind of looks like a man. She was very athletic.
I am older, too (48) and he’s only 44 so I felt that way, too. His wife is also 48, but the OW in my office he had an affair with was only 38 at the time so she was like five years younger than him. I always felt like why would he want to be with someone older like me…especially when his wife was also my age. I don’t look my age though at all. Someone even commented today that they could not believe how old I was. But anyway, yeah, I went down to nothing when I was with him. Don’t you think it’s freaky though how he set it up and was sitting back watching all these women lose weight and change their way of dress for him?? He had to be soooo getting off on all of it…SICK.
Mine, I think, was much more open. He really put it out there and didn’t care who knew. The OW told me that he told her, “People can suspect, but they will never know.” That makes me angry! How was he so above the law that he thinks anyone could NEVER know??? He is off the hook.
I push men away because I just don’t want bothered. I don’t need them and I don’t need the pain and bother that they cause. I have been with some really nice guys in my life who did support me, but it didn’t work out either. I get so disillusioned; I don’t believe in love anymore at my age…not at all. It’s only a fairy tale to me.
One thing that may make you feel better if you concentrate on it is this…you did NOT sleep with this guy and now he is gone. Take consolation in that fact. I made a fool out of myself for falling into bed with this guy, but that is one thing you can say you didn’t do so be GLAD!!! It makes it even so much harder to have been intimate with someone like that and especially when mine made me feel like I was on cloud nine with his hugs, kisses, cuddling, his awesome touch (remember all the affection??)
Truthspeak,
that was a very sweet sentiment you expressed above. ((hugs)).
The people here mean a lot to me too. You’re all my anchor in a sea of spaths.
SurvivorAgain:
I’m so sorry you had to go through all of that with your ex husband. They are all slime. I’m so sorry he won’t leave you alone and you’ve had to move so many times. I never experienced this before so I don’t have any advice. I’m sure some others on here will have a lot of encouragement for you. Hugs to you.
Louis, yup… they act like babies with a mother.
In the first month my ex-spath and I had an argument. It was late AGAIN, there was little party left, and I decided to go ‘home’ and sleep. He was gonna go home with me (a sparkle of hope), soon dashed because he wanted to check another place out. I told him the obvious: there’s nobody here anymore, there’s no point. But at the same time I thought of how I loved to stay until the very end of a party a decade ago (I just didn’t do it 4 times a week, but just once a week) and he just needed to learn and experience this himself. When he noticed I was letting him go without any resistance he suddenly said, “I need a woman who tells me when to stop.”
I looked at him and said, “Then I’m not the right person. You need to realize your own borders. I can only tell you mine, but I can’t tell you where your borders are.”
(And I was NEVER able to get him home together with me. He’d always go on and on and on and on. I came to despise it, so much that either I wouldn’t go out or out with my own friends)
When the new gf (well 1 year now) tried to defend him with posting “he is a sweatheart” on his now deleted exposure profile, I started to think that there was a time I used to think the same thing, and how did I come to believe so. I don’t remember many actual moments of kindness by him, but I do remember how he’d lay his head in my lap, put my hand on his hair and give him a head massage. He was peaceful and sweet like a baby then, but a complete narcistic baby then. In the same sense he’d beg me for a massage EVERY DAY, but if I ever asked one I’d get either excuses OR some awkward touching that was over within one minute. But anyway the point was that yes he could be a sweetheart, that is very peaceful, but he’d be acting like a pet begging to be petted.
So, he is not a sweatheart at all, not in any adult sense, but only in a baby sense where the woman feels sweetness and peace by being motherly affectionate to them.
This ALWAYS bothered me about him, more and more, because I NEVER wanted to be his mom and it gave me no real satisfaction (just a moment of peace). I would love to be a mother, but to my children, but NOT to a partner.
Darwinsmom,
he only wanted you to tell him when to stop so he could DEFY YOU.
They have to oppose everyone all the time and he wanted a fight. You didn’t give him one and he realized you wouldn’t be a good source of DRAMA.
So he kept it up more and more so that it would eventually irritate you and you’d try to control him. That way he could hate you for trying to control him.
They are all alike.
But you screwed him over, you didn’t respond to his bait. Good for you.