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“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?”

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January 26, 2007 //  by Liane Leedom, M.D.

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“How did he really feel?” and “What did he want from me?” are two questions that often haunt victims of sociopaths. The reason we are haunted by these questions varies but often stems from the habit of over-focusing on the sociopath instead of ourselves. That being said, victims also have a healthy ”˜need to know’ that can help with recovery and healing.

I struggled with these questions in my own healing. I remain baffled by my observations of enjoyment of affection on the part of sociopaths. Early on, I told my own therapist that I had come to the conclusion that sociopaths exploit those close to them to the point of death, then, cry at the funeral. At the moment the tears are shed, I believe they do represent a grief of sorts. The feelings of loss experienced by sociopaths are however, short lived. Victims also have to beware because, although sociopaths are said to be incapable of feelings for those in their lives, they do become obsessed with them. Psychologists have not yet explained this obsession. If they don’t attach, why are they obsessed? Those who have read my other entries know that I believe that sociopaths do attach. It is what they do with attachments that is disordered.

How did he really feel?

In response to the picture of a sociopath crying at his victim’s funeral, my therapist said, “He feels what he tells himself he feels.” To help you understand what my therapist meant, I will explain what is known about how people usually experience feelings.

There are two components to feelings. The first is a physical sensation. When we experience a feeling we feel something in our bodies in relationship to that feeling. Think about loving someone close to you and sense how your body feels. Is it warmth in your heart? That is usually what people report.

There is much evidence that these physical sensations are disordered in sociopaths. Sociopaths do not generally experience the physical and hormonal changes that go along with feeling emotion. If they do experience them, it is to a lesser degree. Physical responses are blunted.

The second component of feelings is called attribution. Attribution is a cognitive process. When I feel that warmth in my heart as I see my children, I attribute the sensation to my love for them. Thus the physical sensation alone does not make emotion. Emotion is physical sensations and our interpretations of these sensations. There is also evidence that the parts of the brain responsible for attribution do not function properly in sociopaths.

There is one emotion that many sociopaths experience in a not so disordered way. This emotion is anger. Sociopaths do have blunted physical responses to anger. Despite this blunted responsiveness, they seem aware of angry feelings and make correct attributions about what makes them angry. Again, science has not even addressed, much less explained this observation.

Since the physical sensations and attributions that allow for the experience of emotion are disordered in sociopaths, their inner world is very different. They are left to make sense of themselves and others without the tools most of us use. Other parts of the brain fill in the missing processes. The person who is credited with first describing sociopathy in depth is Hervey Cleckley. He proposed that sociopaths are at least of average if not above average verbal intelligence. This makes sense because they have to use their verbal intelligence to make up for their lack of emotions. They do indeed feel what they tell themselves they feel. Scientists say they mimic other people’s emotions, yet again there is no real proof of this.

What did he want from me?

This question is easy to answer intellectually, but very hard for victims to accept emotionally. There are three pleasures we get from our love relationships. The first is pleasure in affection. The second is sexual pleasure. The third is pleasure associated with dominance and control. Sociopaths experience sex and dominance as enormously more pleasurable than affection. Therefore, they are in relationships to get sex and power, pure and simple.

If you love deeply and feel affection for others, you cannot fathom the inner world of an emotionally disordered person whose primary pleasures are sex and power. To understand another’s world you have to imagine yourself experiencing what the other experiences. You can’t do this with a sociopath.

Louise Gallagher said in her post The six steps of healing from a psychopath that the first step is acceptance. We have to accept that we can only know in part how sociopaths really feel and what they want from us. We can understand intellectually, but never emotionally.

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Louise
13 years ago

Athena:

They are very convincing and I do think because they can’t really feel love or know what that is, they try to feel something or they think they feel something, but I don’t think they are truly capable. That’s why we then (on the other side) are so confused. It’s very tragic.

skylar
13 years ago

I agree that its very confusing why someone would want to pretend to hate someone they love. It boggles the mind.

But there is a precedent in primitive tribes who practice human sacrifice – a type of scapegoating.

Many of these tribes would capture members of the rival tribes during war. They didn’t kill them. Instead, they incorporated them into their own communities. They would marry them into their families and have children with them. They would give them status. in some cases, high status. In other cases, they would treat them alternately with respect and abuse. In some tribes they were prized as sexual partners. Then, after a few months or years, when the captive was fully integrated into the community, they would ritually sacrifice him or her and eat them. WTF? who does that?

I totally get the scapegoating part because people feel the need to place blame on others, but I don’t get the need to marry them first.

In one tribe, the anthropologist was talking to a member of a tribe on a pacific island. The were discussing a rival tribe on the other side of the island. The tribal member said, “Yes, they are our enemies, we marry them.” And it was true. In order to avoid the taboo of marrying their own kin, they would marry “an outsider”. But why do they need to hate them?

I just can’t shake the feeling that this is somehow related to how spaths need to attack those who marry them.

Ana
13 years ago

Hello Skylar, Louise, Athena,
How come none of us talk about getting revenge on the spath? I mean physically? Like bashing their heads in with a baseball bat and leaving them there on the ground?

I know Oxy has mentioned she’d like to kill a few of them. I’d like to also, but I don’t because I don’t want that on my own SOUL! I at points could literally kill her. I won’t but wow, it’s so nice to dream of it. BHWAAAAAAAAA

Ox Drover
13 years ago

Yea, I laid awake nights dreaming of revenge against Crazy Bob, the man who sued me because the plane my husband was in crashed in his pasture and he needed $50K to make himself feel better he was so upset. But then I realized that by thinking of revenge I was just as bad as he was and I didn’t want to be like him. My thoughts of revenge were poisoning me, not hurting him.

Ana
13 years ago

Hi Oxy,
Yes, I know what you mean. Revenge thoughts are not good. However, sometimes soooo much a relief. Yes, they are poisonus to me and mostly I choose to think other thoughts, more positive, but sometimes not.

Actually, I’d love to see her get her ass beat. But not by me. Maybe from all the other people she has effed over. I could not handle a physical confrontation. In her eyes its: She doesn’t have the balls to come after ME!! No, I’d rather wait till someone else kicks her ass. LOL

Louise
13 years ago

Ana:

Hahahahaha!!! I was LOL at that one! Believe me, I have wanted to kill the OW. Not the spath, but the OW because she was a friend and really duped me…blatant. I still feel like it when she crosses my mind.

I don’t think revenge is always necessarily a bad thing especially when it is TRULY deserved. Really!!!!

Louise
13 years ago

Ana:

Also, you say that your spath thinks that you don’t have the balls…that’s when it’s easier to strike…when they don’t think you will 🙂

Ana
13 years ago

Louise,
OH, don’t I know!! LOL

Soo vunerable, but they don’t think so. Like I said I wait till someone else does her ‘wrong’ LOLOLOL

Like the people in FL who she totally ratted out, made a plea and then fled back to Mass. Oh, how I wish one of them would take a trip north!

Or maybe all the landlords she effed over by getting evicted. Sooooo many landlords, so little time.
: )

Truthspeak
13 years ago

Athena, I think that we all grapple with separating what the spath said from what they did. If someone had told me 12 months ago that I would be destitute, homeless, without transporation, and all because I had been set up and robbed in a long-con by my spouse, I would have told them to jump in a lake!

The exspath told me similar sentiments, and was always so convincing that he MEANT them, too! I was his “rock,” and his “anchor,” and his “dear.” Well, words have extraordinary power – more so than even physical displays because words (sentiments) act upon our FEELINGS. How we view ourselves and judge others can be altered by simple words. Consider how difficult it is to explain EMOTIONAL abuse in relation to PHYSICAL abuse. Emotional abuse does not leave any visible indications. Physical abuse leaves visible and tangible evidence. But, experts agree that emotional abuse can have a greater impact upon the victim because there is NO evidence of the abuse.

So……….we struggle to separate the sentiments from the Truth. And, the Truth is that spaths will SAY whatever they must to accomplish their agendas. Words are cheap and easy to parrot. Spaths only parrot what they have seen to work – they do not speak on a level of true human emotion. THAT is why it’s so daggoned hard for me to reconcile the monster that exists with the man that I thought I knew.

Brightest blessings.

Truthspeak
13 years ago

Omigoodness…..I just read the above response and realized that I posted the same thing on two boards. Criminy crissmass…….I need some Ginko Biloba…

OH………has anyone ever noticed that the spath cannot abide being “corrected?” Ginko Biloba brought a flashback: exspath used to consistently say, “Ginko BALBOA” and I would say, “I think it’s BILL BOA, darling.” He would become so irritated. I would MUCH rather have someone provide me with a proper term or pronunciation than go around soundling like a boob.

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