This week a reader asked about a disorder called ODD and its relationship to sociopathy. ODD or oppositional defiant disorder is a childhood disorder. According to the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatrists:
In children with Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD), there is an ongoing pattern of uncooperative, defiant, and hostile behavior toward authority figures that seriously interferes with the youngster’s day to day functioning. Symptoms of ODD may include:
• Frequent temper tantrums
• Excessive arguing with adults
• Often questioning rules
• Active defiance and refusal to comply with adult requests and rules
• Deliberate attempts to annoy or upset people
• Blaming others for his or her mistakes or misbehavior
• Often being touchy or easily annoyed by others
• Frequent anger and resentment
• Mean and hateful talking when upset
• Spiteful attitude and revenge seeking
I interpret these symptoms as evidence for excessive social dominance motives combined with problems with ability to love in a child/teen. Social dominance motives cause these children to dislike authority and to attempt to control others (both children and adults) by annoying and upsetting them (teasing too). Recent studies have shown that hormones connected to social dominance motives may play a role in ODD (higher androgens and lower cortisol)*.
A major developmental task for humans is to learn to love. That learning begins immediately at birth. A very elegant series of studies by Patricia Hawley Ph.D. and others has demonstrated that Social Dominance motives begin later, in the toddler years.
During childhood the social motives for love and power have to integrate and balance each other. A loving peaceful family life is central to this integration. Also the power motive must be shaped. This shaping of the power motive has two aspects to it. First children learn the best prosocial ways to enjoy power. They learn to restrain their aggressive and sadistic impulses. In children with ODD and CD (the precursors to antisocial personality in adulthood) this learning doesn’t happen.
Children also learn to channel some of their power motives in to achievement motivation. Disinterest for achievement and disinterest in school are linked to antisocial behavior in children and teens because absent achievement dominance motives lack appropriate channels for expression.
ODD is often connected to CD (conduct disorder) and ADHD, but may also occur without these other disorders. Many studies have examined the extent to which ODD is genetic and environmentally determined. Both genes and environment interact to cause ODD.
In a paper that is now 11 years old Distinct Contributions of Conduct and Oppositional Defiant Symptoms to Adult Antisocial Behavior : Evidence From an Adoption Study Douglas R. Langbehn, MD, PhD and colleagues presented their study of 197 adopted children a quarter of whom had a biologic parent with sociopathy. They concluded:
It seems plausible that a genetically transmitted liability to sociopathy might manifest earlier in life as the personality-like symptoms of ODD rather than the behaviorally oriented criteria for conduct disorder. After all, it is difficult to conceive of a gene for stealing cars. On the other hand, genetic influences on temperament leading to typical ODD features do not seem so far-fetched.
They also stated that independent of the antisocial behavior seen in CD, the behavior that manifests as ODD is an independent risk factor for adult sociopathy:
STUDIES SUCH as that by Loeber et al, which found that severe childhood conduct disorder is often preceded by ODD, suggest the hypothesis that ODD may only be a risk factor for sociopathy if it is a predecessor to a conduct syndrome. This idea is not supported by our data, because the ODD component was found to be an independent risk factor. Furthermore, examination of the joint distribution of estimated component scores in males (not shown) demonstrated that many adoptees had elevations in the ODD component only.
It is important for parents to realize that not every child with ODD or even CD becomes an adult sociopath. Parenting can make a difference for a substantial percentage of children. Even the most loving and devoted parents should get professional help with their ODD/CD kids.
Professional help is needed because these kids are so hard on parents and the development of parental resentment and negativity is linked to a bad prognosis for these kids (though the chicken and egg here have not been determined). Parents should be realistic, protect themselves and yet try to stay hopeful and positive. They should be loving and yet set firm limits. They should also spend lots of quality time with their kids and supervise them closely. These are exceedingly difficult tasks to accomplish!
You might be wondering why I haven’t commented on the proposed DSM V revision of antisocial personality. Since we want everyone to give us their unbiased, independent reactions, I am not going to comment until we close the survey. Please complete the survey so we can send the strongest possible message to the DSM committee. These criteria will be very important in legal procedings and in public education.
* I have posted the summaries of articles about Antisocial Disorders, ASPD, ODD and CD on a new web site My Psychology Professor*. This web site is intended to help students of psychology find articles and write term papers. I hope it will also be a source for people who want detailed information about topics in psychology. There is also a complete collection of papers about social dominance on this site.
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Damn girl……I am sorry….your not feeling well….then you get jumped….WTF? $3.00……
I agree….we are heading for vigilantism……
If there are NO consequences….and no conscious….then whats holding anyone back from this behavior?
I say PACK THAT HEAT CHICKY!
I hope tomorrow is a better day…..
Okay….I’m back!
Okay……
Can one say RED FLAG, RED FLAG……
The guy starts looking at my jewelry……but it became his excuse to hold my hand….. in a wierd way…..he was playing with my bracelets…..and I wanted MY HAND BACK!!!!
Not….so smooth! I took it back and held onto my water glass.
He talked and talked about his dead wife…..
and GET THIS…..put his phone on the table and responded to all texts…..WTF?
Then he wanted to show me pics in his phone….okay…..
OF HIS DOG…..his dog and dead wife…..and the boobs from his last date that texted him a booby shot! then his dead wife hunting and his dead wife lifting up her shirt while hunting….another booby shot.
uh….okay Mr. magilicutty……armed or NOT….I’m done looking at pictures!
I told him NOT to hold his breath about getting those shots from me….for 3 reasons…..I DON”T TEXT…2. I DON”T TEXT BODY SHOTS and 3. I won’t text him.
He went into his sexual Polyamorous…>>RED FLAG, RED FLAG diatribe…..
AND ….a.t that point…..I asked him if he had sexual encounters with men….changed it right up…..and he was SOOOOO OFFENDED….why would you ask that…..I said….why would it NOT be possible to be polyamouros and NOT have a male in your bed???????
I was so laughing…….and I knew you were all there with me….throwing knives at the wack job.
He shared with me the internal investigation results when he LEFT the police dept….oh but don’t worry folks….he’s a fed. marshall now…..we are all safe!
So…..he’s NOT the type of guy that he came across to be in the court house…..all his little secrets oooozzzed out of him, he just couldn’t control himslef……
The rest. mgr.came up to us and said are you ready to be seated……I said….Oh,no….we aren’t here for dinner.
Mr. marshall went into more life detail….until I stopped him, told him we just were NOT made for each other and scadaddled….I took my bouncy hair and
I went somewhere else to decompress…..and laugh with my GF’s….
Get this…..HE gave me a label….MS. CONSERVATIVE.
EB conservative…..well if conservative is being monogomous….and having self respect and not oozing slime on a first date…..okay….conservative it is.
He said…you need to live recklessly, like I do.
I said….uh yeah….and hows it working for ya?????
I thought….dude if you know how recklessly I have lived without knowing it for 28 years…….you would NEVER say this!
Okay….so how many red flags do I need…..
ONE….got it….hold your breath for the booby shots homey.
This guy was a wacko wrapped up in a cop disguise……..
Wanting to play daddyo to anyone who would take him.
So….chalk it up to learning that I really do want to be the celebate Lesbian that I have become!!!!
Oh yeah…..forgot the part where he said he was pretty sure he was a sex addict at one point in his life!
WAS??????
Rosa….I tried to keep it light…..but what does one say when THIS comes up…..
Nothing…..run……….
And hens….ummmmm, forget about you guys….Don’t think so!
Thanks for pulling for me…..we tried!
Let’s do a little Sociopathic recap…..
How many red flags did YOU recognize in my date?
EB, jeez, OMG, no he didn’t, asshole alert!!!!
scum sucking SOB, I want to puke.
RED FLAG RED FLAG RED FLAG.
What rock did he crawl out from under? El Capitan?
It’s the only rock that I can think of that would be
BIG ENOUGH to cover him.
I am sorry this happened to you, but I give you props
for giving it a shot.
Love that you asked him if he has been with men.
Ms. Conservative, what a dumb ass thing to say.
You are fabulous. I have to let this sink in.
Love, your CA time zone buddy.
Dear One step, Im so sorry, Ive just this minute read that youd been mugged. Im so relieved your OK.! havea hot bath with sweet smelling bath oil if you have any. go to bed witha hot drink, and your rescue remedy. Thinking of you. Love. mama Gem.XX
My God, EB, they are EVERYWHERE! Glad you found out early on, and got out fast!! No wonder you want to be a celibate lesbian . Or maybe a Nun on the Run? Thank God you sill have your sense of humour intact. I hope you kneed him in the balls! I think a good therapy would be to go see the movie “Tootsie’ with Dustin Hofman in it. have you seen it? Its so funny.He plays an out of work male actor, dressed up as a woman to get work on a daytime soap, its hilarious. At one point, he advises all the Nurses to get an electric cattle prod if the sleaze bag doctor tries to seduce them, and zap them in the bazzoobies! Now go have a stiff drink, you so deserve it! Love, gem.XX
aw shit EB!
i am real proud of you that you threw the deal breaker out on the table soon as you could see that the bed was made, um no, that’s supposed to be, ‘the stage was set.’
well, fuck you, fuck you very much! that’s a pretty acute devalue/discard arc, n’est pa? didn’t even get to dinner before he was trying to shame and devalue you. Snort! fucking loser.
this is not going to continue to happen EB. I swear there will ordinary don’t like him that much guys, mmm, like him a bit guys, and yaw, like him even more guys.
and you have very wisely created a safety net, a way to debrief and keep your power. you are going to be just fine.
(WHO the fuck shows booby pics of their ‘dead’ spouse, EVER????? I was looking for a ride to another city a few years ago, and posted on a local listserve i was active on – small group of academics mostly, and this freakwad, said, yah, i can give you a ride, and on the 2nd email sorting out times,etc. as to whether it might be possible he sends me a naked torso shot of his gf. um, nooooo. i’d crawl on my hands and knees and fucking lick pavement before i got in to a car with you bud.)
right now, i’d say it was disordered dirtballs 0, EB 4.
…and believe me, ‘celibate lesbian’ just sucks…and not in a good way 😉
one step
…oh, and he pulled the ‘ms.’ conservative…so OBVIOUSLY, as we all know , you are a f-e-m-i-n-i-s-t ’cause you reject dirtbags. In his mind you are half way to being a dyke! ouu, that means he could get you and your best gf into bed….Snort!
DEAR MS. CONSERVATIVE,
WE ARE PLEASED TO INFORM YOU THAT YOUR STATUS AS ‘DUPE’ HAS BEEN PERMANENTLY REVOKED.
LIVE FREE AND PROSPER.