Editor’s note: The following guest post was written by Bruce Rubenstein, M.D., a psychiatrist based in New York City.
Knowing how I know myself, and others ”¦
By Bruce Rubenstein, M.D.
Introduction
In this piece, when referring to psychopaths, sociopaths, the personality disordered, malignant narcissists, etc, I shall refer to them as pronouns in italics, as I believe they are all one and the same on a continuum. The various widely used terms to designate them (e.g., sociopath, malignant narcissist, etc.), mostly all clinical in derivation, all carry with them associations and assumptions of which I believe much is incorrect and misleading. So rather than evoking those associations, I will just use italicized pronouns as a stylistic way to separate them from us.
Knowing
In the journey to understand ourselves and them, and in order to heal from relationships with them, one must go through an anguishing process of re-evaluating everything we thought to be true. We must transcend the chaos and confusion they infused through manipulation and distortion in order to attain clarity using our rational minds. As one very wise person who grew up with them as parents once remarked about the healing process: “Start with the head; the heart will catch up later.” We want to understand the TRUTH, but it is crucial to take a moment to contemplate how we know things. At first glance, the question may seem abstract and overly philosophical. However, it is not. Take a moment to think about your experiences with them. Once you thought you knew them. Now you know them differently. Which is the TRUTH? The answer is in understanding “how” we know things. In philosophy, this is called epistemology. Others study how we know things in the fields of consciousness, psychology and neuroscience. Let’s focus on two closely related aspects of how we know things.
The first is what we REALLY mean when we say, “I know.” What we REALLY mean is that we’ve made something or someone familiar to us. In other languages, there are distinct verbs that convey this difference: French connâitre or Spanish conocer”—to be familiar with,” such as a person, versus French savoir or Spanish saber, meaning “to know” intellectually. Thus, when we encounter something or someone new, we will frequently use metaphor or simile, both ways of relating “new” to “familiar.” The first time you taste rabbit, for example, you might say, “It tastes just like chicken” (“rabbit” is new; “chicken” is familiar). Or, perhaps you might be walking down a Parisian street and comment, “This is sublime.” Here too you are relating something new, i.e., the sentient experience whilst walking in Paris, with a feeling with which you are already familiar: sublimity. So, too, of encounters with others. Upon perceiving various aspects of someone’s personality, you will frequently relate your responses to something familiar to you and then over time have the sense that you “know” that person. We all do it, but it is worthwhile to take a few moments to appreciate how frequently we take something/someone new, make it familiar to us, and then say to ourselves, “I know it,” or “I know him/her.”
The process by which we relate something or someone to the realm of familiarity is a product of consciousness. Consciousness is the state of being aware of what we are perceiving as opposed to other animals that, to the best of our knowledge, do not have consciousness. Whilst awake, we “live” in our conscious minds almost always. Ninety-nine percent of the time, after we perceive something, we “translate” it into something our consciousness understands. Here is a critical point: Our consciousness understands thoughts and their representation—words or symbols. We are quite sophisticated in that we have the ability to combine many words and many thoughts and string them together into theories, basic assumptions, narratives, and so on.
But this realm of consciousness is quite limited for several reasons. First, there is a limit to how many “things” it can contemplate and put together at one time. Let’s use a flower as an example of something we are contemplating. When we contemplate that flower in any one moment in time, there are lots of things going on in the roots, stem, petals, etc. In the non-visual realm, photosynthesis and metabolic processes are occurring. Our conscious brain, however, cannot “think” about everything going on in that flower at one time. We focus on one thing or the other, despite the fact that the actual flower’s existence is not broken down into parts—it is a complete, whole being. Our conscious mind’s process of breaking things down into parts thus creates an artificial sense of what the flower truly is. Of course, we can acknowledge this point but in truth, our limited conscious mind cannot contemplate the entire or whole existence of the flower at one point in time.
Moreover, even the notion of “time” is a product of the limitations of consciousness. For example, we cannot “think” about a flower’s entire lifecycle all at once: sprouting, growing, blooming and then fading. We break it down into chunks of time. But in reality, that flower’s “real existence” is not broken down into arbitrary or artificial time segments. It’s a continuum of life.
[To imagine what it would be like to not exist “consciously,” think about dreaming. In dreams everything is all jumbled. You are everyone in your dream and everyone is you. Time is relative. In the dream you had last night, perhaps you crossed the country in one minute. Perhaps you were in one place with one group of people and in the very next moment, you were somewhere else with entirely different people.]Memory and concentration studies bear out this point by demonstrating that we can only reliably think about roughly six to eight things at one time. We have known this for quite some time, and it is the reason that your telephone number has seven digits. The telephone company did studies back in the 1950s to see how many digits an individual could remember as one “phone number” and the ideal number was seven. (Please remember that it was before area codes. In those days, if you wanted to phone a different “area code,” you’d have to phone the operator.) Today some countries, like France, have instituted eight digit numbers. However, the ideal number of digits is seven.
But life’s challenges obviously involve much more than recalling seven digits. We deal with more input or perception by creating “buckets” or “categories” in our minds. An example: living things. We have created “buckets” like animals, plants, micro-organisms, etc. But if you really think about it, no such buckets exist in nature, in reality. We simply categorize things in order for us to consciously digest them. An analogy might be our digestive systems—we eat “food,” but then break it down into “chunks” (i.e., fats, amino acids, etc.) that are digestible.
It’s crucial to consider this, to consider our own limitations. And consider the fact that each person will probably create different “buckets,” depending on that person’s nature, experiences, etc. For example, someone who is quite concrete and overwhelmed by too many choices will create fewer buckets, possibly even only two buckets, like “Good and Bad,” or “Pretty and Ugly.” The more buckets, though, the more variation based on individual factors. For example, you may have had a talk and shared your experience of them with a friend who is very concrete and never had such an unfortunate experience. That talk was probably unsatisfying and frustrating because your friend puts people into two buckets: “Good” and “Bad.” But after your terrible experience, you now know that it’s not quite so simple. You now have several buckets with varying degrees of “goodness” and “badness.” And not to complicate it even further, but consider the fact that nearly all those who read Lovefraud, and who have had similar experiences, likely have slightly different buckets. Therefore, the important point here is to keep in mind that we create buckets in order to be able to think about things in a distilled form.
As things get more complex, we create different levels or strata of buckets. This is where we get into organizing principles, theories, ways to see the world, and particularly how we experience other people. But these systems of buckets must change over time as we observe things that don’t “fit” with our underlying assumptions, our underlying “buckets.” As one example, Freud created an enormously complex theoretical base to explain all of human mental life and behavior. Frankly, it’s nearly impossible to integrate what we observe about them into Freud’s ideas. Hard core Freudians will go to great lengths to make this square peg fit into one of Freud’s round holes. The reason is that we get very attached to our basic assumptions. That’s human nature, to prefer the “known,” the “familiar,” or to stay in our comfort zone. And the more elaborate that base theoretical construct is, the more we can manipulate it and convince ourselves that it really does explain everything. I’m not picking on Freud, although his theory is quite elaborate. I could have chosen any theoretical approach to understanding human nature, e.g., object relations, Jungian theory, even what they call “strict neuroscience,” looking at neurons and neurotransmitters.
One more important point on consciousness—it tends to either exclude or metaphorize any perception that cannot be put into a thought or word. Thus, everything that deals with intuition is immediately either dismissed or shoved into another construct. But intuition is very real. Think about how many aspects of them you perceive and then make you say to yourself, “What the hell is this?” Well, so much of what we see in them is utterly irrational, unthinkable and indescribable. Our conscious mind, that “tool” we use to think about EVERYTHING, including ourselves and others, doesn’t do well in the realm of irrationality. What then drives us crazy is that despite the irrational nature of their behavior, they all behave in a similar, predictable manner (i.e., lying, cheating, etc.). That is one reason that trying to understand them is so crazy making. The fact that you can predict and observe consistent behaviors in them suggests a cause-effect or rational template to them. We “should” be able to create “buckets” to understand. But it’s NOT rational. Rather, we have all of these other observations about them—those that are more “intuitive,” but for which we lack the words or we lack the ability to incorporate those perceptions in our “rational” conscious mind. The result is confusion—that anguishing confusion every person experiences after interaction with them.
No matter which basic assumptions or theories you use, even a combination of theories, understanding them and how we get involved with them is elusive. We don’t realize how much of our thinking is based on years and years and years of all sorts of basic assumptions, or “buckets,” that we automatically invoke in order to understand or make them familiar to how we are USED to thinking about ourselves, others, goodness and even evil. You may not even have had an “evil” bucket at all. Trying to fit the square pegs of our observations of them into our pre-existing round holes requires far too much time and energy. The healing process, therefore, involves the very difficult and frequently anguishing journey of getting rid of pre-existing “buckets” and creating new ones. By the way, one could call this process, “Personal Growth” or the “Search for Truth.”
As I mentioned at the beginning, the healing process necessarily requires achieving clarity using our rational minds. It is thus helpful to begin with only two buckets, and they are:
1) This makes sense
2) This doesn’t make sense
At first this simple binary delineation may prove harder than you think. This is because you are so used to your old “buckets” that you will find yourself tempted by them. Try to resist the temptation. Try to tolerate the discomfort of not knowing “right now.” To quote a colleague of mine, the process is “tolerating discomfort for the sake of growth.” Over time it will get easier. But even initially, you will begin to feel a certain freedom that will arise as a result of you beginning to trust yourself again. At the core, all good people have good instincts.
There is another important point to make in this regard: Never throw out a perception, even if it doesn’t make sense right now. Many people run into problems by equating a perception that doesn’t make sense with something that is not true. For example, one frequently hears, “I loved him/her.” That observation will go into bucket #2: “It doesn’t make sense to love someone who is not reciprocal, who is hurting me.” But it doesn’t mean it is not true, rather, it doesn’t make sense now. As an alternative, spend some time thinking about what it means when we say, “I love someone.” It turns out it can mean many things to many people. Then keep the observation (“I loved him/her“) on hold. Don’t discard it as not true just because now it isn’t making sense to you. Allow for the possibility that it doesn’t make “rational” sense right now, but at one time it did make sense. It doesn’t change the reality of your clearer mind today that it doesn’t make sense. You can come back to it later. In the meanwhile, without you even noticing, you are learning to be more accepting of what you do not “know,” or of what is not familiar to you. Clearly mistreating others should NEVER be familiar to you. Learning to accept that which we do not understand right now is not only crucial to healing, but also exigent to what it means to be most human throughout our lives. Patience and acceptance bring peace.
Postscript
After letting the ideas presented here percolate for a while, it may be clear to you why I use the “buckets” of italicized pronouns (e.g., he, she, them) rather than using terms such as sociopath, narcissist, etc. Even the way in which we write or read about them is part of how we “know” them.
Emotional manipulation Is infantile behavior And that is what I’m referring to When I call them infants.
Secret societies, rituals, hazing–are all are all different ways of creating a trauma bond. Therefore it is infantile behavior and psychopathic.
Thank you for your comments and support. You are right I have been dealing with a P for many years just didn’t know it.I have been blaming the boy friend for it but the truth be known she was a p all her life but played the game very well enough to fool me. I really realized yesterday just how good she is at what she does it is like she has multiple personalities. They are really working hard at making the kids beleave I do not care. I really need advice on this one because I do not know what to do that is best for the kids. They threatened that they were going to go to court and get a restraining order if I did not come and talk to them. I talked to my off spring she was nice as pie trying to talk things out with concern so I told her if her other half was willing to talk like that I would gladly come and talk.DUMB me living in a dream world again went and all I got was you can come here everyday and see these kids, but you need supervision because every time they see you there is trouble.You are like poison to them.They went on and on on how they are not punishing me and they are the parents and they have the control over there family and they will never spend time with you anywhere but here where we can supervis you Its not that you do anything wrong but Grandpa you can take them any time you want. Then they preceded to tell me how much they want me in the boys life but we just took every letter you ever wrote the off spring and showed everyone we work with what kind of a crazy mother we have to deal with.A lot of my family think I should go to the house to visit the boys but I think they will keep working until they can find a way to make the boys think I am nuts they will pick at anything I say, saying talk at there level. I could say how are you and they will say we said no prying what goes on here is none of your concern we have the control here.I can only see it getting worse and know after yesterday it will never get better. They are very intimidating and did try to get my goat but I kept in mind that jail is not the place for me so tap it cool because that is there goal to get me in trouble with the law. They are very cruel. My family wants this all to work out and they two do not believe that She is that bad because they do not hear or see what I do and this two is my fault because I always taught my children that you always be there for each other because that is what family’s do no one is perfect. All the goodness that I taught my family was false teaching I should have prepared them for the evil in life. I quit I do not want to be a mom because there is no right way to raise your children your damned if you do and your damned if you don’t. Is there such a thing as a normal family for me it has only been a dream. Should I go there and visit my Grandchildren or not is the question. What is best for the kids I do not have the answers.
NO, distressed Grandma, DO NOT go visit these kids,in your daughters home. Believe me, she is ONE SICK PSYCHO BITCH!
I know EXACTLY where your coming from, Ive had YEARS AND YEARS of torment ,cruelty and suffering from both my sick bitches of daughters. They GET OFF on being cruel, I didnt find this out till I found Lovefraud. they are truly EVIL AND SICK.
If you go to her home to see these kids, she will ALREADY have brainwashed them that Grandma is a crazy, unstable, mean mad old biddy.YOU WILL NEVER WIN in this situation, as the playing field is NOT level.I repeat, THEY GET A MENTAL KICK like heroin out of showing cruelty to you.It will do your head in, believe me. Pick up your pride, DO NOT succumb to their cruel mind F–ing games. it will drive you INSANE, and then they WILL HAVE won,as they can say,
“See” didnt we tell you she is a nut job?”Both my daughters did this to me, many times. they got off on putting me down.They found it harder to put me down when I remarried as my new husband got wise to them.
The French have a saying,–
“Ce qui s’excuse, s’accuse” which means,
“He who excuses himself, accuses himself.” So, the harder. you try to make the kids believe your a normal. loving person, the more they will have been programmed to think your nuts.
If you give in and agree to her sick conditions, which she has NO RIGHT to impose, she will take away your power.The Lord BUddha said,”never give away your power, it is very hard to get it back.” And he was right!All you cn do is pray to God that He will turn the situation round, and I believe He will IN HIS OWN TIME.keep sending little loving gifts and cards, etc. My older 2 Grandkids are, according to my SIL, now starting to see what their Mum is REALLy like. If they turn ito spaths, not a dam thing you can do about it. if not, they may seek you out when they are olde r and out of the sicko bitches clutches.
Lead your own life, put them on the back burner, and as the Lord Buddha also said,
“WALK ON!! Walk on with hope and faith and love in your heart.
DO NOT allow this sicko bitch to torture you any more. YOU WILL NEVER EVER WIN WITH HER.{{HUGS}}}
Gem.XX
I know you are right. I just wish everyone around me that is hurting by the up heval in this family would see it. They think I am being stubborn and not trying hard enough to keep this family together. They need to walk a mile in my shoes and it being Christmas makes it harder. Two me I feel I tried to hard and am tired of a lose lose situation. It is not like I can take glue and glue us back together again. I am glad I found this site though because I do not know where I would be without it. The more I see the more I am starting to understand. Lots of times I thought some of the people on here sounded very hard and the more I go through the more I see why. I want to get through this and I know to do it I will have to get hard But I do not want hard to take me over. I want to still see the good in life and in people but find myself trusting no one and not because they are bad people but because my daughter is smooth and can get what she wants to know out of anybody. Even being on this site I think I could be talking to my daughter that even makes you guy hard to trust because you could be her. I think I am becoming paranoid to.
I know you are right. I just wish everyone around me that is hurting by the up heval in this family would see it. They think I am being stubborn and not trying hard enough to keep this family together. They need to walk a mile in my shoes and it being Christmas makes it harder. Two me I feel I tried to hard and am tired of a lose lose situation. It is not like I can take glue and glue us back together again. I am glad I found this site though because I do not know where I would be without it. The more I see the more I am starting to understand. Lots of times I thought some of the people on here sounded very hard and the more I go through the more I see why. I want to get through this and I know to do it I will have to get hard But I do not want hard to take me over. I want to still see the good in life and in people but find myself trusting no one and not because they are bad people but because my daughter is smooth and can get what she wants to know out of anybody. Even being on this site I think I could be talking to my daughter that even makes you guy hard to trust because you could be her. I think I am becoming paranoid to.(hugs)
Gmother:
Hard? You must be referring to ME!!!! 🙂
I do believe it’s an evolution……Have you read the article I wrote about finding your ADAMANT here on LF…..I think it was Sept or Oct.
I don’t give much leeway these days. But, one day I expect to loosen up a bit. HOPEFULLY!
Your between a rock and a hard place…..I cant advise you on ‘what’ to do……but I can tell you the games will continue, this is where you must decide if you can ‘enjoy’ or be a grandmother to your gkids and live with the stress of the situation.
The sucky part is…..the kids are always the pawns!
How about……you move near me and be my kids grandmother!!!!
My parents went with spath…….and betrayed us terribly, so I put them in my compost pile when I weeded my garden.
We don’t speak, I can’t trust them and they are in denial.
So….our family shrunk considerably when I booted spath. Lost the Parents and his family and most of my extended family too.
It’s a sad situation…..no doubt.
I am thinking of you, I know you’ll make the right decisions…..and I offer you strength darlen!
Grandmother,
My smart husband has just worked out WHy your spath daughter and her hubby [or partner} want you to come round to their home to see the Gkids, with them in attendance.! Trust me, spaths NEVER do anything without a reason to benefit THEM!!.
It is to safeguard them, in case you DO go to the Courts later on, to try to win custody of your Gkids.
Then, hand on heart, they can say,
“Look, we tried SO hard to be reasonable and fair to Grandma, but she even refused to visit the kids in our home! Doesnt this prove to you she doesnt love them?”
I think he is right! what do you think?
Love,
Gem.XX
Grandmother,
I wouldnt bother what people say. What the hell do they know about the situation, REALLY?Just try to get them to do what you are trying to do. As long as your conscience is clear between you and God, and you can look at yourself in the emirror every day and say,”I did my best, no-one can do more.”
I do know this. You cant win with a spath.Your spath daughter will end up ruining your life if you let her, destroying your health and your peace of mind.IF YOU LET HER. EB is right, they only use their kids s pawns to torture us with, again,IF WE LET THEM.
If you lose your health and your sanity, what good will you be to anyone, yourself, your Gkids,anyone? Its a ll a sick game to them, they enjoy it.The penny finally dropped with me when I realised, that NO MY ADULT KIDS DO NOT LOVE ME. they are acutely toxic t o me. Do you realy want to be with toxic people, Gkids not withstanding?Normal people do not treat us this way. No Contact is the ONLY thing that works. You have no rights over your Gkids,and even if you did get custody of them, at what price to your health, and well being?
sad to say, Ive now had to stop thinking and agonising over my Gkids, I cant change anything, except me.I want to be happy, and if this makes me sselfish, then so be it. Ive been miserable for too long, worrying and agonising about a situation I am powerless to change.Grandma, live your best life, enjoy your life, put all this on the back burner.YOU CANT CHANGE ANYTHING.Your daughter does not deserve your love.All she does is throw it back in your face. So, give up. Go total No Contact. get on with other things.Give her NO MORE power over you to torture you further.
Thats my advice to you, you are free to accept or reject it.
Love, GemXX
Dear Grandmother,
It sounds like Gem’s husband has got the situation right, it may be a trap, so I would get a little mini-digital tape recorder and I would go over to see the kids with it in my pocket and keep it runnning. I would also have your husband go with you (as a witness)
I would NOT discuss any problems of the past in visiting the kids, just “Oh,you have grown so much, I’ve missed you so much” Here is your chritmas present, then sit with the kid in school and ASK OPEN-ENDED QUESTIONS TO THE KIDS, “Tell me about school this year, baseball, your dog, ytour cat, lyour teacher, jnust keep the conversation flowing with this kind of questions. Don’t ask, about mom or dadl or EXPLAIN anything about why you weren’t able to visit more or sooner.
I realize that is a poor way to have to visit them with your daughter there. I would keep conversation with HER down to MINIMUM, AND PLEASANT. IF SHE starts to get nasty, pretend you don’t realize she is being nasty and just continue to be nice, she”ll either calm down then or if she pushes it up another notch or insists about talking about the past or being nasty, just lookk at your watch and say, “Oh, gosh, I didn’t realize how time flies, I’ve got to run, boys, but Ill seen you again soon” and then get out of there.
I to feel it is a trap! They told me all along I could go over there to see the kids but I choose not to because the one time I did I went unexpected when I drove up my oldest grandson and the youngest one were standing in front of the window in front of the T.V. with the baby on his shoulders. By the time I got in the house they were there with Male P playing a game on the T.V.pretending they were having the time of there life. I thought if me being here means my Grandchildren have to preform them I am not doing them any justice by being here.Know I know they have half the town watching me so when I feel I need a grand kid hug to make it through another three weeks of hell I will have to go there to get it. It is so hard to turn my head and walk away from my grand kids. I know Gem girl is right. I will need to have a lot of strength to keep involved in there lives because the hurt and pain will never go away because I will have to let them control me again and feel like Mosses in bondage. I wish the boys were older. I know one day this will stop and there will be no contact. I just need to be able to stand in front of that mirror and say I have done everything I could for my grandsons.I think some times the boys would be better off with me out of the picture. They will let them have more freedom and allow them electronics with out being paranoid of them contacting and seeing their Grandma because I am a threat to the paths. It is like good versus evil and evil always wins it is a evil game that I do not want to play. If I stop playing there evil games I have to walk away for years from my grand children. Good advice about the tape recorder is that not Illegal to tape someone with out there knowledge. They would love to catch me doing that because then they could charge me. That is there goal. They want a restraining order. I will have to protect my self very well. I am thinking that I will not go in there house just to the door give my grandchildren a hug and say I love you and miss you once a month just to let them know I care and think about them and not have to feel the bondage or fear saying or doing something wrong. I don’t think they will let that last very long though because I will not be feeding there ego. It would kinds of make them feel that I am not having contact with you just my grandchildren. I would like to hear what I should expect if I try this. Gem girl you got some good guess. Thanks for all your prayers.