Editor’s note: The following guest post was written by Bruce Rubenstein, M.D., a psychiatrist based in New York City.
Knowing how I know myself, and others ”¦
By Bruce Rubenstein, M.D.
Introduction
In this piece, when referring to psychopaths, sociopaths, the personality disordered, malignant narcissists, etc, I shall refer to them as pronouns in italics, as I believe they are all one and the same on a continuum. The various widely used terms to designate them (e.g., sociopath, malignant narcissist, etc.), mostly all clinical in derivation, all carry with them associations and assumptions of which I believe much is incorrect and misleading. So rather than evoking those associations, I will just use italicized pronouns as a stylistic way to separate them from us.
Knowing
In the journey to understand ourselves and them, and in order to heal from relationships with them, one must go through an anguishing process of re-evaluating everything we thought to be true. We must transcend the chaos and confusion they infused through manipulation and distortion in order to attain clarity using our rational minds. As one very wise person who grew up with them as parents once remarked about the healing process: “Start with the head; the heart will catch up later.” We want to understand the TRUTH, but it is crucial to take a moment to contemplate how we know things. At first glance, the question may seem abstract and overly philosophical. However, it is not. Take a moment to think about your experiences with them. Once you thought you knew them. Now you know them differently. Which is the TRUTH? The answer is in understanding “how” we know things. In philosophy, this is called epistemology. Others study how we know things in the fields of consciousness, psychology and neuroscience. Let’s focus on two closely related aspects of how we know things.
The first is what we REALLY mean when we say, “I know.” What we REALLY mean is that we’ve made something or someone familiar to us. In other languages, there are distinct verbs that convey this difference: French connâitre or Spanish conocer”—to be familiar with,” such as a person, versus French savoir or Spanish saber, meaning “to know” intellectually. Thus, when we encounter something or someone new, we will frequently use metaphor or simile, both ways of relating “new” to “familiar.” The first time you taste rabbit, for example, you might say, “It tastes just like chicken” (“rabbit” is new; “chicken” is familiar). Or, perhaps you might be walking down a Parisian street and comment, “This is sublime.” Here too you are relating something new, i.e., the sentient experience whilst walking in Paris, with a feeling with which you are already familiar: sublimity. So, too, of encounters with others. Upon perceiving various aspects of someone’s personality, you will frequently relate your responses to something familiar to you and then over time have the sense that you “know” that person. We all do it, but it is worthwhile to take a few moments to appreciate how frequently we take something/someone new, make it familiar to us, and then say to ourselves, “I know it,” or “I know him/her.”
The process by which we relate something or someone to the realm of familiarity is a product of consciousness. Consciousness is the state of being aware of what we are perceiving as opposed to other animals that, to the best of our knowledge, do not have consciousness. Whilst awake, we “live” in our conscious minds almost always. Ninety-nine percent of the time, after we perceive something, we “translate” it into something our consciousness understands. Here is a critical point: Our consciousness understands thoughts and their representation—words or symbols. We are quite sophisticated in that we have the ability to combine many words and many thoughts and string them together into theories, basic assumptions, narratives, and so on.
But this realm of consciousness is quite limited for several reasons. First, there is a limit to how many “things” it can contemplate and put together at one time. Let’s use a flower as an example of something we are contemplating. When we contemplate that flower in any one moment in time, there are lots of things going on in the roots, stem, petals, etc. In the non-visual realm, photosynthesis and metabolic processes are occurring. Our conscious brain, however, cannot “think” about everything going on in that flower at one time. We focus on one thing or the other, despite the fact that the actual flower’s existence is not broken down into parts—it is a complete, whole being. Our conscious mind’s process of breaking things down into parts thus creates an artificial sense of what the flower truly is. Of course, we can acknowledge this point but in truth, our limited conscious mind cannot contemplate the entire or whole existence of the flower at one point in time.
Moreover, even the notion of “time” is a product of the limitations of consciousness. For example, we cannot “think” about a flower’s entire lifecycle all at once: sprouting, growing, blooming and then fading. We break it down into chunks of time. But in reality, that flower’s “real existence” is not broken down into arbitrary or artificial time segments. It’s a continuum of life.
[To imagine what it would be like to not exist “consciously,” think about dreaming. In dreams everything is all jumbled. You are everyone in your dream and everyone is you. Time is relative. In the dream you had last night, perhaps you crossed the country in one minute. Perhaps you were in one place with one group of people and in the very next moment, you were somewhere else with entirely different people.]Memory and concentration studies bear out this point by demonstrating that we can only reliably think about roughly six to eight things at one time. We have known this for quite some time, and it is the reason that your telephone number has seven digits. The telephone company did studies back in the 1950s to see how many digits an individual could remember as one “phone number” and the ideal number was seven. (Please remember that it was before area codes. In those days, if you wanted to phone a different “area code,” you’d have to phone the operator.) Today some countries, like France, have instituted eight digit numbers. However, the ideal number of digits is seven.
But life’s challenges obviously involve much more than recalling seven digits. We deal with more input or perception by creating “buckets” or “categories” in our minds. An example: living things. We have created “buckets” like animals, plants, micro-organisms, etc. But if you really think about it, no such buckets exist in nature, in reality. We simply categorize things in order for us to consciously digest them. An analogy might be our digestive systems—we eat “food,” but then break it down into “chunks” (i.e., fats, amino acids, etc.) that are digestible.
It’s crucial to consider this, to consider our own limitations. And consider the fact that each person will probably create different “buckets,” depending on that person’s nature, experiences, etc. For example, someone who is quite concrete and overwhelmed by too many choices will create fewer buckets, possibly even only two buckets, like “Good and Bad,” or “Pretty and Ugly.” The more buckets, though, the more variation based on individual factors. For example, you may have had a talk and shared your experience of them with a friend who is very concrete and never had such an unfortunate experience. That talk was probably unsatisfying and frustrating because your friend puts people into two buckets: “Good” and “Bad.” But after your terrible experience, you now know that it’s not quite so simple. You now have several buckets with varying degrees of “goodness” and “badness.” And not to complicate it even further, but consider the fact that nearly all those who read Lovefraud, and who have had similar experiences, likely have slightly different buckets. Therefore, the important point here is to keep in mind that we create buckets in order to be able to think about things in a distilled form.
As things get more complex, we create different levels or strata of buckets. This is where we get into organizing principles, theories, ways to see the world, and particularly how we experience other people. But these systems of buckets must change over time as we observe things that don’t “fit” with our underlying assumptions, our underlying “buckets.” As one example, Freud created an enormously complex theoretical base to explain all of human mental life and behavior. Frankly, it’s nearly impossible to integrate what we observe about them into Freud’s ideas. Hard core Freudians will go to great lengths to make this square peg fit into one of Freud’s round holes. The reason is that we get very attached to our basic assumptions. That’s human nature, to prefer the “known,” the “familiar,” or to stay in our comfort zone. And the more elaborate that base theoretical construct is, the more we can manipulate it and convince ourselves that it really does explain everything. I’m not picking on Freud, although his theory is quite elaborate. I could have chosen any theoretical approach to understanding human nature, e.g., object relations, Jungian theory, even what they call “strict neuroscience,” looking at neurons and neurotransmitters.
One more important point on consciousness—it tends to either exclude or metaphorize any perception that cannot be put into a thought or word. Thus, everything that deals with intuition is immediately either dismissed or shoved into another construct. But intuition is very real. Think about how many aspects of them you perceive and then make you say to yourself, “What the hell is this?” Well, so much of what we see in them is utterly irrational, unthinkable and indescribable. Our conscious mind, that “tool” we use to think about EVERYTHING, including ourselves and others, doesn’t do well in the realm of irrationality. What then drives us crazy is that despite the irrational nature of their behavior, they all behave in a similar, predictable manner (i.e., lying, cheating, etc.). That is one reason that trying to understand them is so crazy making. The fact that you can predict and observe consistent behaviors in them suggests a cause-effect or rational template to them. We “should” be able to create “buckets” to understand. But it’s NOT rational. Rather, we have all of these other observations about them—those that are more “intuitive,” but for which we lack the words or we lack the ability to incorporate those perceptions in our “rational” conscious mind. The result is confusion—that anguishing confusion every person experiences after interaction with them.
No matter which basic assumptions or theories you use, even a combination of theories, understanding them and how we get involved with them is elusive. We don’t realize how much of our thinking is based on years and years and years of all sorts of basic assumptions, or “buckets,” that we automatically invoke in order to understand or make them familiar to how we are USED to thinking about ourselves, others, goodness and even evil. You may not even have had an “evil” bucket at all. Trying to fit the square pegs of our observations of them into our pre-existing round holes requires far too much time and energy. The healing process, therefore, involves the very difficult and frequently anguishing journey of getting rid of pre-existing “buckets” and creating new ones. By the way, one could call this process, “Personal Growth” or the “Search for Truth.”
As I mentioned at the beginning, the healing process necessarily requires achieving clarity using our rational minds. It is thus helpful to begin with only two buckets, and they are:
1) This makes sense
2) This doesn’t make sense
At first this simple binary delineation may prove harder than you think. This is because you are so used to your old “buckets” that you will find yourself tempted by them. Try to resist the temptation. Try to tolerate the discomfort of not knowing “right now.” To quote a colleague of mine, the process is “tolerating discomfort for the sake of growth.” Over time it will get easier. But even initially, you will begin to feel a certain freedom that will arise as a result of you beginning to trust yourself again. At the core, all good people have good instincts.
There is another important point to make in this regard: Never throw out a perception, even if it doesn’t make sense right now. Many people run into problems by equating a perception that doesn’t make sense with something that is not true. For example, one frequently hears, “I loved him/her.” That observation will go into bucket #2: “It doesn’t make sense to love someone who is not reciprocal, who is hurting me.” But it doesn’t mean it is not true, rather, it doesn’t make sense now. As an alternative, spend some time thinking about what it means when we say, “I love someone.” It turns out it can mean many things to many people. Then keep the observation (“I loved him/her“) on hold. Don’t discard it as not true just because now it isn’t making sense to you. Allow for the possibility that it doesn’t make “rational” sense right now, but at one time it did make sense. It doesn’t change the reality of your clearer mind today that it doesn’t make sense. You can come back to it later. In the meanwhile, without you even noticing, you are learning to be more accepting of what you do not “know,” or of what is not familiar to you. Clearly mistreating others should NEVER be familiar to you. Learning to accept that which we do not understand right now is not only crucial to healing, but also exigent to what it means to be most human throughout our lives. Patience and acceptance bring peace.
Postscript
After letting the ideas presented here percolate for a while, it may be clear to you why I use the “buckets” of italicized pronouns (e.g., he, she, them) rather than using terms such as sociopath, narcissist, etc. Even the way in which we write or read about them is part of how we “know” them.
Hi SC,
Warm hugzz!!! It’s only 45 here in warm sunny south florida! I watched the eclipse!
Skylar: did you sit outside and watch it also???? FULL MOON!!
notcrazee, ((hug!)) I couldn’t watch it!! All we have here right now is rain, so I couldn’t see a thing!
good night peeps!
SC,
Hugzz back at ya!
Sorry about the rain! The moon was awesome tonight! Sweet dreams! I’m outta here soon. need to get sleep!
notcrze1!
Dearest Grandma,
I know Honey that this is so hard for you, as Im doing it myself. havent seen my Gkids in almost 2 years since I went total NC with my spath daughter. It VERY VERY hard to do, but I agree with you, you HAVE made the right decision, -you were ” between a rock and hard place.Your gut told you your doing the right thing, but doesnt make it any easier.
Itsa bit like when they tell you on the plane,
“parents must put their own oxygen mask on before putting it on their kids”. What you are doing is saving your own life. If they turn you into a nervous wreck, ruin your health, and take a way you power and self respect, they HAVE WON.DONT give them that satisfaction. they love to control people, they lie without any compunction, they play mental games, they re sick sick creatures. As you know, if you contest any of this the G Kids will suffer the most. Im sure they know you love them.Would it be posible, say to volunteer to help with a reading program, say, at their school, and get to see them that way?As Oxy suggests, maybe you could visit but dont go in, hand them the little gifts, say, Grandma loves you, and then beat a retreat before spath biatch gets a chance to do a number on you.But if you think this would be too stress making for you, DONT do it.Pray for them, ask God to open up a way for you to see them without the spaths, or put someone in their path who will tell them Grandma loves them so much. He will do it.believe me.Now, you have to do what I have done with great difficulty and pain, PLACE THE KIDS IN GODS ALMIGHTY POWERFUL AND LOVING HANDS AND LEAVE THEM THERE.VERY hard to do, but do-able.You are in my thoughts and Prayers! Love, Mama GemXXPs DONT WEAKEN!!
dancingnancies and Distressed Grandmother,
Thank you so much for your comments, suggestions, and advice, which I have read over and over.
I am just fearful of ‘letting go’ and falling in ‘love’ once again as much as I really want to.
dancing :- re the car, what I meant was I dont know if he outright owns it or still paying it off …..lol
As far as ‘serial monogomist’.. its something he says to me in jest….
Can a man go through life just enjoying it without the responsibilities and worries of raising a family…and just having fun ? totally splurging on “experiences” other than “things”or making a choice not to have “family” or “children” ? He did have a 7+ year relationship with a woman in Austria, but called it off “because he was miserable”…….he did point out a woman he was dating and told me he called it off because she was too thin ? .. now perhaps I dont know him well enough to figure out when he jokes or not.
I spoke with my gf who knows it all about the ex-S just to get her opinion, and mostly she advises to take day by day…………..sometimes I think im making excuses for him, and other times I really believe he is just a good time guy that doesnt stress about much.
I did in fact meet his brother and 2 sisters who seem to be normal everyday folk with children and wives. His parents are in their mid 80s and still together, as happy and as ‘normal’ as any other couple that age, still in the family home where he grew up…..time will tell I guess. Perhaps I am getting closer to him, and am sabotaging a good thing because of my fear ?? .. aah I dont know…… Im just very glad to vent on here ..im praying I can come back and report a happy ending. It will all come out sooner or later, but my heart needs to stay strong.
rriinnaa –
I met the mother, father and two sisters (as well as their grown kids and partners) of my spath ex-husband.
They all went along with playing the “happy families” game, saying nothing at all to warn me in any way.
Four years in, after a year of troubling behaviour by the spath, I began to ask more questions of these relatives. They withheld information that they should have disclosed.
By six years in they were saying things to me like “You should leave him. Leopards don’t change their spots”, and “He was always unfaithful to his previous two wives”, and “He has always lied to us… we don’t know why he does it”, and’ “He has always wasted all of his money”, etc, etc. And I’m thinking to myself, “People! Why didn’t you warn me? You KNEW!!! And you knew me and what sort of person I was – that I was kind and decent. So WHY didn’t anyone tell me any of this sooner?”
By the time it was completely falling apart (seven years in) and I asked these questions outright, I was told by his father, his mother and his sister, “We thought he had changed. We thought you were good for him and that he was a better person now because he was with you”.
(Don’t make me PUKE people. You KNEW – and you let it happen to me when it didn’t need to. I very nearly died from this – and none of you did anything at all to try to stop that.)
So – I’m just saying – mine had family too. They seemed normal. We had nice dinners together. He looked normal. He wasn’t normal – and they all knew it.
Nobody said anything. Somebody should have said something.
Dear Rriinnaa,
Yes, I remember when you posted before. I think your gut is telling you that this man is not into long term commitment and if you get into a relationship with him he will eventually leave you. He may or may not be a psychopath but sounds like he is high in risk taking and adventure traits and they don’t go together with commitment and a long term relationship….so if you want more than a “goodtime charlie” relationship for a while, until his feet get antzy again, then this is not the guy for you.
Grandmother,
I agree with the no contact option. I know it is difficult at the start but in the end, it is the better option.
Sometimes people try to be “kind” to a puppy, by cutting it’s tail off an inch at a time. It is better I think if you are going to cut it off to just do it ONCE AND GET IT OVER WITH rather than drag out the agony by “cutting it off” repeatedly.
This is a situation in which YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OR POWER.
No matter how you wiggle around it or how you hire lawyers, the fact is that the children are NOT YOURS, no matter how much you love them and you have no “rights” about it. No control.
The children are in a situation that YOU feel is bad for the children, but because YOU have no rights or control, unless the kids are being BEATEN with clubs, there is nothing the law is going to do for them.
You have pithed off the parents of the children by calling child protective services in the past which apparently was justified in the eyes of the services as they made the parents take classes, etc. but they DID give the kids back to the parents, who THEN HAD A RIGHT (remember parents have rights, kids don’t) to limit your contact with the kids in order to punish you. Which has royally succeeded in punishing you by hurting both you and the children (who I imagine love you as well) so the parents use whatever tools they have (the children) to punish YOU. It is succeeding.
As far as others telling you this or that and how you SHOULD act or think, or give up or not give up etc. THE DECISION IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE TO MAKE.
I personally agree that you have little or nothing to gain by keeping on with trying to contact the children except to expose yourself to more and more abuse by the parents, and do little or nothing positive for the children. While I realize this hurts you very very much, I think both you and the kids will be better off if you back off. (By the way, tell people in your life that try to tell you how to feel that it is none of their business and you don’t care to discuss it)
I agree with Gem as well, pray for your grandchildren “without ceasing” but you must now focus on taking care of yourself. Hopefully, you backing off will settle the parents down some and make life more calm for the kids. ((((hugs)))) and my prayers for you and your grandsons.
Aussiegirl
I’m so sorry this happened to you. My sociopath too had family who said nothing. NOTHING. I asked the people on this site, and they told me that the family was probably in denial. It sounds like that’s what happened to you, too.
I think it’s happened to all of us. They suffered from hope and denial.
I’m sorry for your pain.
The people here have been so helpful to my healing. II don’t post often but I read the posts here a lot, and I read books alot. The lastest book I’ve read is “why we love”. I think my sociopath read this book to figure out how to make me fall in love with him. Ridiculous manipulation and lies.
Aussiegirl – I have picked up on certain things his brother said “in jest” when I met him – I put it down to sibling rivalry and male competition. I am seeing his family christmas eve, and I will have my antennas up. God this is draining, but I wont ever again have that painful experience, no matter what !.. as I said I’ll keep reading here, and posting.. time will tell. I feel very fortunate to have this support from all you beautiful people in here.
Ox Drover – you are an amazing wise woman AND an amazing writer, I love reading your posts. I want to give you a huge cyber (((((((((((HUG)))))))))))))))… and not only you, but everyone here.. there is so much love and warmth… amazing….
Dear Rriinnaa,
Thank you sweetie and ((((hugs)))) back.
Sometimes the “things said in jest” are what I call KIDDING ON THE SQUARE where you say something nasty you want to say but then you make a “joke” out of it so the person is not supposed to get mad at you for “Joking” about how “fat” or whatever they are that you are trying to ridicule.
So the brother might be telling you “kidding on the square” some nasty stuff about his brother and saying it in such a way that you get the idea but he can call it a “joke” so the brother is not supposed to get mad.
Good pick up! That is a red flag of some kind, but not sure if it is red flag for the brother or the guy. Could be either.
Good for you setting boundaries.