Editor’s note: The following guest post was written by Bruce Rubenstein, M.D., a psychiatrist based in New York City.
Knowing how I know myself, and others ”¦
By Bruce Rubenstein, M.D.
Introduction
In this piece, when referring to psychopaths, sociopaths, the personality disordered, malignant narcissists, etc, I shall refer to them as pronouns in italics, as I believe they are all one and the same on a continuum. The various widely used terms to designate them (e.g., sociopath, malignant narcissist, etc.), mostly all clinical in derivation, all carry with them associations and assumptions of which I believe much is incorrect and misleading. So rather than evoking those associations, I will just use italicized pronouns as a stylistic way to separate them from us.
Knowing
In the journey to understand ourselves and them, and in order to heal from relationships with them, one must go through an anguishing process of re-evaluating everything we thought to be true. We must transcend the chaos and confusion they infused through manipulation and distortion in order to attain clarity using our rational minds. As one very wise person who grew up with them as parents once remarked about the healing process: “Start with the head; the heart will catch up later.” We want to understand the TRUTH, but it is crucial to take a moment to contemplate how we know things. At first glance, the question may seem abstract and overly philosophical. However, it is not. Take a moment to think about your experiences with them. Once you thought you knew them. Now you know them differently. Which is the TRUTH? The answer is in understanding “how” we know things. In philosophy, this is called epistemology. Others study how we know things in the fields of consciousness, psychology and neuroscience. Let’s focus on two closely related aspects of how we know things.
The first is what we REALLY mean when we say, “I know.” What we REALLY mean is that we’ve made something or someone familiar to us. In other languages, there are distinct verbs that convey this difference: French connâitre or Spanish conocer”—to be familiar with,” such as a person, versus French savoir or Spanish saber, meaning “to know” intellectually. Thus, when we encounter something or someone new, we will frequently use metaphor or simile, both ways of relating “new” to “familiar.” The first time you taste rabbit, for example, you might say, “It tastes just like chicken” (“rabbit” is new; “chicken” is familiar). Or, perhaps you might be walking down a Parisian street and comment, “This is sublime.” Here too you are relating something new, i.e., the sentient experience whilst walking in Paris, with a feeling with which you are already familiar: sublimity. So, too, of encounters with others. Upon perceiving various aspects of someone’s personality, you will frequently relate your responses to something familiar to you and then over time have the sense that you “know” that person. We all do it, but it is worthwhile to take a few moments to appreciate how frequently we take something/someone new, make it familiar to us, and then say to ourselves, “I know it,” or “I know him/her.”
The process by which we relate something or someone to the realm of familiarity is a product of consciousness. Consciousness is the state of being aware of what we are perceiving as opposed to other animals that, to the best of our knowledge, do not have consciousness. Whilst awake, we “live” in our conscious minds almost always. Ninety-nine percent of the time, after we perceive something, we “translate” it into something our consciousness understands. Here is a critical point: Our consciousness understands thoughts and their representation—words or symbols. We are quite sophisticated in that we have the ability to combine many words and many thoughts and string them together into theories, basic assumptions, narratives, and so on.
But this realm of consciousness is quite limited for several reasons. First, there is a limit to how many “things” it can contemplate and put together at one time. Let’s use a flower as an example of something we are contemplating. When we contemplate that flower in any one moment in time, there are lots of things going on in the roots, stem, petals, etc. In the non-visual realm, photosynthesis and metabolic processes are occurring. Our conscious brain, however, cannot “think” about everything going on in that flower at one time. We focus on one thing or the other, despite the fact that the actual flower’s existence is not broken down into parts—it is a complete, whole being. Our conscious mind’s process of breaking things down into parts thus creates an artificial sense of what the flower truly is. Of course, we can acknowledge this point but in truth, our limited conscious mind cannot contemplate the entire or whole existence of the flower at one point in time.
Moreover, even the notion of “time” is a product of the limitations of consciousness. For example, we cannot “think” about a flower’s entire lifecycle all at once: sprouting, growing, blooming and then fading. We break it down into chunks of time. But in reality, that flower’s “real existence” is not broken down into arbitrary or artificial time segments. It’s a continuum of life.
[To imagine what it would be like to not exist “consciously,” think about dreaming. In dreams everything is all jumbled. You are everyone in your dream and everyone is you. Time is relative. In the dream you had last night, perhaps you crossed the country in one minute. Perhaps you were in one place with one group of people and in the very next moment, you were somewhere else with entirely different people.]Memory and concentration studies bear out this point by demonstrating that we can only reliably think about roughly six to eight things at one time. We have known this for quite some time, and it is the reason that your telephone number has seven digits. The telephone company did studies back in the 1950s to see how many digits an individual could remember as one “phone number” and the ideal number was seven. (Please remember that it was before area codes. In those days, if you wanted to phone a different “area code,” you’d have to phone the operator.) Today some countries, like France, have instituted eight digit numbers. However, the ideal number of digits is seven.
But life’s challenges obviously involve much more than recalling seven digits. We deal with more input or perception by creating “buckets” or “categories” in our minds. An example: living things. We have created “buckets” like animals, plants, micro-organisms, etc. But if you really think about it, no such buckets exist in nature, in reality. We simply categorize things in order for us to consciously digest them. An analogy might be our digestive systems—we eat “food,” but then break it down into “chunks” (i.e., fats, amino acids, etc.) that are digestible.
It’s crucial to consider this, to consider our own limitations. And consider the fact that each person will probably create different “buckets,” depending on that person’s nature, experiences, etc. For example, someone who is quite concrete and overwhelmed by too many choices will create fewer buckets, possibly even only two buckets, like “Good and Bad,” or “Pretty and Ugly.” The more buckets, though, the more variation based on individual factors. For example, you may have had a talk and shared your experience of them with a friend who is very concrete and never had such an unfortunate experience. That talk was probably unsatisfying and frustrating because your friend puts people into two buckets: “Good” and “Bad.” But after your terrible experience, you now know that it’s not quite so simple. You now have several buckets with varying degrees of “goodness” and “badness.” And not to complicate it even further, but consider the fact that nearly all those who read Lovefraud, and who have had similar experiences, likely have slightly different buckets. Therefore, the important point here is to keep in mind that we create buckets in order to be able to think about things in a distilled form.
As things get more complex, we create different levels or strata of buckets. This is where we get into organizing principles, theories, ways to see the world, and particularly how we experience other people. But these systems of buckets must change over time as we observe things that don’t “fit” with our underlying assumptions, our underlying “buckets.” As one example, Freud created an enormously complex theoretical base to explain all of human mental life and behavior. Frankly, it’s nearly impossible to integrate what we observe about them into Freud’s ideas. Hard core Freudians will go to great lengths to make this square peg fit into one of Freud’s round holes. The reason is that we get very attached to our basic assumptions. That’s human nature, to prefer the “known,” the “familiar,” or to stay in our comfort zone. And the more elaborate that base theoretical construct is, the more we can manipulate it and convince ourselves that it really does explain everything. I’m not picking on Freud, although his theory is quite elaborate. I could have chosen any theoretical approach to understanding human nature, e.g., object relations, Jungian theory, even what they call “strict neuroscience,” looking at neurons and neurotransmitters.
One more important point on consciousness—it tends to either exclude or metaphorize any perception that cannot be put into a thought or word. Thus, everything that deals with intuition is immediately either dismissed or shoved into another construct. But intuition is very real. Think about how many aspects of them you perceive and then make you say to yourself, “What the hell is this?” Well, so much of what we see in them is utterly irrational, unthinkable and indescribable. Our conscious mind, that “tool” we use to think about EVERYTHING, including ourselves and others, doesn’t do well in the realm of irrationality. What then drives us crazy is that despite the irrational nature of their behavior, they all behave in a similar, predictable manner (i.e., lying, cheating, etc.). That is one reason that trying to understand them is so crazy making. The fact that you can predict and observe consistent behaviors in them suggests a cause-effect or rational template to them. We “should” be able to create “buckets” to understand. But it’s NOT rational. Rather, we have all of these other observations about them—those that are more “intuitive,” but for which we lack the words or we lack the ability to incorporate those perceptions in our “rational” conscious mind. The result is confusion—that anguishing confusion every person experiences after interaction with them.
No matter which basic assumptions or theories you use, even a combination of theories, understanding them and how we get involved with them is elusive. We don’t realize how much of our thinking is based on years and years and years of all sorts of basic assumptions, or “buckets,” that we automatically invoke in order to understand or make them familiar to how we are USED to thinking about ourselves, others, goodness and even evil. You may not even have had an “evil” bucket at all. Trying to fit the square pegs of our observations of them into our pre-existing round holes requires far too much time and energy. The healing process, therefore, involves the very difficult and frequently anguishing journey of getting rid of pre-existing “buckets” and creating new ones. By the way, one could call this process, “Personal Growth” or the “Search for Truth.”
As I mentioned at the beginning, the healing process necessarily requires achieving clarity using our rational minds. It is thus helpful to begin with only two buckets, and they are:
1) This makes sense
2) This doesn’t make sense
At first this simple binary delineation may prove harder than you think. This is because you are so used to your old “buckets” that you will find yourself tempted by them. Try to resist the temptation. Try to tolerate the discomfort of not knowing “right now.” To quote a colleague of mine, the process is “tolerating discomfort for the sake of growth.” Over time it will get easier. But even initially, you will begin to feel a certain freedom that will arise as a result of you beginning to trust yourself again. At the core, all good people have good instincts.
There is another important point to make in this regard: Never throw out a perception, even if it doesn’t make sense right now. Many people run into problems by equating a perception that doesn’t make sense with something that is not true. For example, one frequently hears, “I loved him/her.” That observation will go into bucket #2: “It doesn’t make sense to love someone who is not reciprocal, who is hurting me.” But it doesn’t mean it is not true, rather, it doesn’t make sense now. As an alternative, spend some time thinking about what it means when we say, “I love someone.” It turns out it can mean many things to many people. Then keep the observation (“I loved him/her“) on hold. Don’t discard it as not true just because now it isn’t making sense to you. Allow for the possibility that it doesn’t make “rational” sense right now, but at one time it did make sense. It doesn’t change the reality of your clearer mind today that it doesn’t make sense. You can come back to it later. In the meanwhile, without you even noticing, you are learning to be more accepting of what you do not “know,” or of what is not familiar to you. Clearly mistreating others should NEVER be familiar to you. Learning to accept that which we do not understand right now is not only crucial to healing, but also exigent to what it means to be most human throughout our lives. Patience and acceptance bring peace.
Postscript
After letting the ideas presented here percolate for a while, it may be clear to you why I use the “buckets” of italicized pronouns (e.g., he, she, them) rather than using terms such as sociopath, narcissist, etc. Even the way in which we write or read about them is part of how we “know” them.
Dr. Bruce,
What an outstanding post. You understand what many do not.
I met HIM more than two years ago. My intuition was there, that something was wrong, but I didn’t know what to do with it, and I threw it away.
As time passed, the craziness grew exponentially. I couldn’t understand it at all. I tried and tried and tried. I researched everything about his life and became a total snoop to try to figure out the truth from the fiction. I read probably 30 books on personality disorders, psychology, sociopathy, schitzoid personality disorder, schitzophrenia. I spent most of my waking moments trying to understand WTF?
I sent into therapy, bawling, trying to understand why the guy I loved so much didn’t love me back. I went on antidepressents.
My therapist worked with me diligently. I realized I needed to learn why *I* picked this guy. What’s wrong with ME that I took this path?
I learned so much.
I learned (through Bonds of Betrayal) that I was repeating the past – my childhood – the abuse dished out by my mother. It was a familiar role for me.
My therapist and I spent maybe an entire year on me working out the “buckets”. That is the EXACT phase I used with her – that I needed to put things in buckets or frameworks so I could understand – and I couldn’t put HIM in a bucket. She worked with me, but kept trying to get me to stop trying. I don’t think she really understood the magnitutde of the confusion THEY cause. You realize that nothing fits. The world doesn’t make sense any more. And of course, I was still in a relationship with HIM. He treated me like a rag doll. He’d tell me I was great, and then leave me. We’d make fabulous plans, and then all of a sudden he would cancel out at the last minute. He would tell me something truthful, and then next thing was an outrageous lie that he didn’t even try to hide.
At the advice of the folks here, I’ve gone no contact several times, and every time I get further away, my perspective changes, and I am getting better and better at understanding that a bucket just won’t work, and that I just have to accept the bizarre, I have to accept that I can’t understand it, and I just have to remind myself it’s not about me, it’s not my fault.
Thank you Dr. B. for an absolutely amazing post. This is one of the best things I’ve read here so far. I wish it had appeared two years ago.
Best,
Superkid10
Good Morning Kim!
Great idea…. transfer to trash! At least it won’t clog my plumbing anymore!!!!LOLOL! I had so many full wtf? buckets!! I am emptying my buckets one at a time and of course with the wonderful help of our LF Land! I wish I had found this before I left him. Oh well, I have it now… gotta go empty another bucket!!!
Thanks for sharing!
soimnotthecrazee1!!!!
Yeah. I think it takes a long time to quit obsessing about wtf? NEEDING to figure it out and understand. Eventually we get to the point where we know we will never understand, and that’s when we can let it go. At least that’s how it’s worked for me. All that wasted time and energy trying to make sense of it. All the confusion and head shaking. All the sleepless nights, and mornings when he is the first thing on my mind. Too much work and totally not worth the effort. Futile.
Kim,
LF has given me the validation and understanding to be able to let go. The “truth” like Dr. R says, that’s all I wanted. I got it here in LF land. I may have 1,000 unanswered questions about his actions, BUT I understand the crazyness now and I really don’t care anymore where he was at or what he was doing while he was gaslighting me and D&D’ing me I know he will rot in hell!!!
Thanks to all here in LF Land!
soimnotthecrazee1!!!
I know what you mean. A lot of stuff fell into place when I read the checklist, and saw how many I checked off. I got it, in that sense, but I will never get it, as far as understanding the why he does what he does thing….so now, like you, I have an I don’t give a damn bucket, and it works well for me.
I like this…. take all the wtf? buckets to the trash and fill as many I don’t give a damn buckets as you can.!!! We all need to take stock in “Rubbermaid”! LOLOL
This is interesting! I have to be honest; the article held many valid points, but being a writer who likes things placed ‘on the bottom shelf’, I grazed the article and returned to pick the meat from it.
I especially liked the Dr’s reply to Skylar:
Skylar ”“ Your comment, “Who could fake it for 25 years?” cuts right to the heart of what I tried to convey. How can any normal individual conceive of existing as that type of deception for all that time? It reflects a profound, dark emptiness in them. What kind of “bucket” can we have to make that kind of emptiness “familiar” to us? How can we “know” that or what that is? We cannot, even though we are perceiving that darkness in our “guts.” Hence the massive confusion.
I would have to agree with this statement totally! I finally just came to the conclusion I do NOT understand and I will NOT make sense of it, because it does NOT make sense to the normal person. It’s as if they live/speak/function in a different world. Years ago, I would have to get my daughter to ‘translate’ what my X was saying/meaning frequently. She could do this. I just thought I was lacking in the ability to ‘understand’ him. Sadly, little did I know, she was progressing into the same world due to genetics, I believe. Certainly, actions do have influence on us, but only so far, as we do make up our own minds and have free choices. As an adult, she now has very similar thoughts and behaviors as he did/does. Just as my two older children do their P father and they were not even raised around him. He was totally absent from their lives, my son from before birth. Yet, there they both are, VERY much like their father.
*I awoke this morning asking myself: “Who are these people I raised? I don’t know them! I don’t understand them! I don’t relate to them!” VERY eerie feeling~
hi aussie – hehee.
i did develop a preferred way of seeing her suffer in this world. took me a while to hit on the exact scenario, but once i found it my obsession with wanting to maim her slowed way down.
it’s been at least a month since i uttered,’spaths! can’t live with them, can’t kill them with impunity!’ and probably as long since i thought about taking a car ride and literally doing her in to save humanity from her evil doing and spend my rage
i have been a Buddhist meditator for over a decade – and it IS a long fall.
you characterized me as ‘edgy’ the other day. it strikes me that an observation like that may mean that you feel uncomfortable – have I said/ done something that upset you?
Dear Superkid10,
Welcome to LF and NO CONTACT is the only way, unfortunately, to be able to get far enough away to start to “see the trees for the forest!”
As long as you have contact with him, he will continue to injure you in one way or another, or to suck you back in closer to hurt you some more.
It is a “radical” choice and one that at the time we do not want to make because we are TRAUMA BONDED to them. Read about Stockholm syndrome and understand that the push-pull push-pull, that they do, the hurt-soothe, hurt-soothe routine that they do to us is what bonds us to them so tightly.
We become dependent on them, just as a child who is alternately soothed and punished by her mother becomes bonded to the mother, we become bonded to the person who SOOTHES us, even if in between they hurt us, but then they soothe the pain away, the pain of the very hurt they did to us.
NO CONTACT is the only way to break this bond, get away so that your brain can start to respond and heal from the dysfunctional bond it has formed with the abuser.
If you were abused as a child, abuse becomes “normal” behavior between you and those who “love” you—only YOU can break this cycle by NO CONTACT, and then learn to care for yourself, to love yourself, to care for yourself! And only associate with healthy caring adults, not abusers. Learn to set appropriate boundaries.
BTW Welcome to LF, there’s lots of good stuff here to learn, and I suggest you go back through the archives and read the articles! Knowledge is power! God bless.
This is an excellent explanation of the frustration and denial we all go through, and how we heal ourselves. I can relate to many of the posts, but I feel apprehensive as a male reader. The Spath I married is female. She is all of the things many of you indicate are true of your S ex’s, but there is a difference between male and female Spath’s or similar Dsrdrd Persons. The gender differences that exist in healthy people also exist in dsrdrd people. The female, in my view tends to be far more passive aggressive, covert, manipulative, rather than “controlling” by use of intimidation, verbal abuse, and shaming. In my personal experience, the Fraud is just as pernicious, yet even more difficult to quantify and identify. This may be the reason why more men are labeled as Spaths and N’s, and women are more commonly labeled as Borderline. I disagree that there are more men who are Spaths. I fully support equality in all regards, of all people, based on race, gender, religion, sexuality, etc….. I also support the protections afforded women, from abusive men. The sad reality is that the Spathic female has taken this “Shield” of protection, and turned it into their sword. I was and am a great father, a good person, and a healthy man. I have lost my son completely to the abusive woman I married, as a result of her brainwashing and control/manipulation of his young mind. I have a very strong relationship with my daughter, yet see her only once or twice a week.When she spends more time with me, her mother chastises her and berates her. The latest threat was that she would not have the money to send her to Ballet or to College if she kept it up. My point is this, Love Fraud, as Donna intended, is meant to be unbiased and applies to both genders. Because of “Gender” differences, men in general, are not as inclined, willing, able, or genetically predisposed to group discussion, group support, and socializing on this type of medium. I think socially, in general, women are more inclined to reach out and form friendships and associations with other females. Men are not as likely. Some of this is genetic and some based on Societal practice and habits. Men having evolved for thousands of years as the primary hunter/gatherer, and women as the primary child rearing/homemaking role.I am fully in support of equality, but the psychological impact this has had on the role of the male has been greatly ignored, poorly addressed, and almost ignored. What the strength and goodness of the women’s movement has done is primarily all good, however, as we know from history, with every significant social restructuring process, there are some things that happen that are not all good. In essence, my Ex-wife who is a Spath (and the court has ample evidence from psyche evals that show it clearly), was and is provided with complete teflon protection from those who control and operate within the Family Court System, by simply playing the role of the “Femme Fatale”. With absolutely NO evidence or even accusations of abuse, she simply has to say, in just a few selective settings, that she is “afraid” of me. This invokes the massive machine that is the overzealous result of good intentions, but is motivated by financial incentives and, in my humble opinion, the fact that many off those individuals deemed as competent and objective decider’s of the fate of Dads all across this country, are in fact, Spaths and Borderlines. This system labels and persecutes men, it creates “abusive” men out of good men. As we all know, the “crazymaking” effect Spaths have on us, causes healthy men (and women) to attempt to defend themselves, & point out that the true “craziness” comes from the other party, but the “Liar’sCourt” (as I like to call it and many very highly respected and knowledgeable experts do as well) is quick to defame the parent who exhibits otherwise normal, healthy emotional reactions to the abusive beahavior. They like to feed the supporting and growing Domestic Abuse industry that is a capitalist driven industry, run by many disordered/abusive/angry people. They are drawn to this industry exactly because it provides a playing field that is ideal for their need to lie, manipulate, and abuse. NONE of these so-called professionals has ever been required to go through a psychological evaluation themselves. In other words, these abusive personalities are in fact enabling and supporting abusive mother’s (and in some cases fathers). More than 90% of the time, in custody trials, across the country, the mother is awarded full custody and control of the children. In recent years, the men who are awarded custody, are in my view, learning/adapting to the dysfunctional system that enables/supports the abusive/disordered parent. Men are in my view less likely to go to court to control the kids, if they are dysfunctional/disordered/narcissistic. (another gender difference, more Narcissistic, self absorbed, less likely to love anyone)The system also tends to implicate truly abusive men sooner in the process, whereas it does not implicate, and even enables abusive (more passive/covert, better liars/read Little White Lies, Deep dark Secrets by Susan Shapiro Barash) women who are more passive aggressive and manipulative in their efforts to control the children because of their disorder, as well as the financial incentives afforded them in doing so. Women also have an innate “maternal” instinct that, when it is excessive, feel they have more of a right to “parent”, “own”, and/or control the children’s lives. I realize I will get feedback that disagrees with my opinion. There are exceptions to the overwhelming majority of cases. In my view these are the men who are abusive, evolving and adapting to the opportunity that exists in family court. The better liar and storyteller usually wins. There is far more “understanding”, “Sympathy”, and deference given to a mother who claims the father is “abusive”, without a speck of evidence, based entirely on her claims, and/or the claims of a close “friend” or confidante. Many times that “Friend” (if they are otherwise mentally/psychologically healthy) is unaware they are being used, and sometimes that friend is of the same dysfunctional/abusive personality type.
Again, I think the post by Dr.B is fabulous. My concern’s are that we are enabling these abusive people as everyone acknowledges, in society. They are present in corporate government, and social leadership roles. This is also true in the Family Court System, where you have Judges, Lawyers, Guardians, and Social Workers that are industries that attract these abusive people. In the segments of this industry that include Social Workers, “Guardians”, and Child Support workers, they are dominated by the female gender. Many of these women are attracted to this because it gives them the ability to practice their hate by destroying Dads. Before I get bombarded with angry posts in reaction to this, please consider the fact that I married a Spath, spent 10 years in hell, did not realize it until many years into it, spent several years educating myself and coming to the realization, just like all of you, that I had been conned completely. I agreed to JT custody, then never saw my children on Father’s Day, Rarely on their Birthdays or mine (unless it was my regular week (even thought these dates were designated in our judge ordered custody schedule), and never could get agreement on a holiday schedule in order to work out a plan with my out of town families schedules, and constantly was left waiting for the children at her home, only to discover after great effort that mom had taken them somewhere that was supposed to be my time and my responsibility, ahead of time just to spite me. When I tried to stand up against the abuse, I was labeled an “angry” dad. The abuse of my time was well documented, but the women in the system completely ignored it, denigrated the professional evaluations done by psychologists that supported everything I had said was true of my ex, and took the children away from me. My Ex medicates our son for ADHD because she cannot parent him, his education is being destroyed by her, and she has escaped accountability in all regards. She has been rewarded for her abusive behavior, because the system is filled with people who are disordered liars, haters of men, and enablers to their own kind. The core root of the problem was created by the Lawyers/Judges, who are mostly men (more female Lawyers now) and this was financially motivated. These men are guilty of abusive power/control, and it has now created under it, a greed and hate driven industry that meets the needs of those who value money, control, and hate more than anything else.