Editor’s note: The following was posted as a comment by the Lovefraud reader “Zootowngirl.” She eloquently expressed ideas that many other readers can certainly understand.
I read the articles and comments posted on Lovefraud.com and I see my life, or parts of it, described over and over again. I see things my ex did (or didn’t do) written in the words of other people. I see myself in their stories. Often I find myself thinking, “Thank God my experience wasn’t that bad or that long,” and other times I nod my head in silent, humiliated understanding that comes with first hand knowledge of the horror stories people share.
My ex has the most beautiful soul. He is kind and compassionate and loving. He is the most thrilling person I’ve ever known. Until he’s not. When he’s upset or inconvenienced or, God forbid, angry, he turns into someone cold and hostile. His comments are scathing, filled with razor sharp words that open veins in my heart and leave me gasping at the pain. He is a master at flaying open my emotions and then disavowing any responsibility or ill intent. He used to tell me that I didn’t understand what he meant, that I was hysterical, or that I twisted his meaning for my own passive aggressive purposes. Maybe I was passive aggressive. Never mind the “maybe.” I was passive aggressive. That’s what happens when I can’t ask for what I need without being rejected or ridiculed or told that I am selfish for expecting something from him. I’d like to blame him for it but I’m the boss of me. I’m the one who made the choice to be passive aggressive. I have to own that. And I have to own that I still don’t fully fathom the impact he’s had on me.
I’m an addict.
I’m addicted to him.
I’m addicted to the way I feel when I’m with him the good, not the bad, though sometimes I believe I would accept the bad in order to also have the good. Maybe, possibly, if I’m just good enough and try hard enough and all the stars are aligned then maybe I’ll get some of the good. He’s so misunderstood, you see? He tells me so and so I have to believe that I’m just not giving him enough credit or being fair or being realistic. And he has ”legitimate excuses” for everything he does or doesn’t do. He was depressed. Then there was the physical pain: his elbow, his back, his guts. Then there was the dizziness that came and went, sometimes confining him to bed with the remote and sometimes miraculously disappearing just when something entertaining was planned. Then there was the encroachment of his privacy after we had to get roommates in order to help pay the rent because we only had my disability income to live on and all the money left to me by my father was gone at last. Then there were the accusations of flirting and disloyalty on my part that made him sad and sent him back into that depression. Then there was the day he called me a “stupid f*cking c*nt” and told me that he “deserved better from the woman who supposedly loved him.” Except I wasn’t supposed to internalize those words because he was just processing his thoughts about the anger he’d felt over something trivial and thought he could share that processing with me. But he didn’t explain that he was recalling his thoughts or just processing them and wondering why he’d thought and felt those things. He just said the words aloud and left me to sit with them for 2 weeks and then, when I finally broke down in tears over them said, “What?! Oh God! I was just describing what I felt at the time! Not what I think of you!” and the logic of that escaped me because the words had had 2 weeks to sit inside of me, carving themselves into my cells. Eight months later, they still echo in my head almost every hour of every day. But I’m not allowed to be hurt or be upset by them because, of course, they’re not true. He was just processing his feelings. I’m supposed to be glad he did that, right? That’s what women want, right? A man who will process his feelings with her.
I’m addicted to the memory of him when he was in a good mood and loved me.
I’m addicted to the energy and space he took up in every place we were together.
I was addicted to the constant texting and phone calls that happened before we lived together and the roller coaster drama of trying to prove that he should choose me and not that other woman because she’s a liar and a cheat while I’m faithful and devoted and loyal and dedicated no matter what he does or says or what promises he broke in the 3 years before we lived together.
I was addicted to proving that I’m good enough and that I can accept and forgive and love him unconditionally while he spent time trying to decide between us, despite having gone back on his assurance that he was going to give her up and come be with me a half dozen times or more.
I was addicted to putting him back together after she chewed him up and spit him out and to being his best friend while he agonized over how much she hurt him and to being the woman he turned at last to because he suddenly realized that I’m the right choice and I’m the perfect person for him.
I was addicted to riding out his struggle with commitment and his inability to plan for the future because so many other women have hurt him and left him and devastated him.
I was addicted to proving to him that I’ll stand by him always, no matter the hardship, no matter the tests he throws my way, no matter the pain he causes.
I was addicted to martyring myself to his cause, to being the true blue girl in his life.
I’m addicted to him the way a child is perversely compelled to continuing to love the father that abused her and the mother that abandoned her, always going back for more, always desperate to prove she is worthy of their love because she thinks that if she just loves well enough or loves the right way then love won’t continue to hurt her the way it does now.
I’m addicted to continuing to send messages to his phone from my email. He makes unfair statements and I get angry and find myself glad that I broke up with him and just when I start to think I did the right thing he lifts me up with loving words and apologies and I sob over the fact that I’m the horrible person who “destroyed his life”
I’m addicted to the way he says, “It was my fault for not loving you well enough baby,” as if somehow that love will seep into me from the computer screen and make it possible for me to trust myself again ”¦ after so many do-overs and so many 2nd chances that the idea of it only being a “second” chance is laughable. More like a 30th or 40th chance.
I’m addicted to being able to tell him exactly how much pain he caused me without any immediate consequence and watching his apologies and regret appear in my chat window ”¦ knowing that he’ll manage to turn things around so they become guilt trips rather than accountability ”¦ and praying that it won’t happen because that might be a sign from God that he’s sincerely sorry and things would be different this time. This 41st second chance.
I’m addicted to apologizing ”¦ to feeling guilty ”¦ to punishing myself ”¦ to hating myself for ending our relationship ”¦ for ending my dream ”¦ so that he’ll understand that I really did love him. I just have to love him from a distance now because I can’t live in a home where both of us hate me. It’s painful enough that I hate myself for not being good enough for him, that I hate my inadequacy and my inability to live up to even his most basic expectations.
I’m addicted to reminding myself that he almost punched me in the face once, to reminding myself that that is reason enough to have left him. And I’m addicted to being angry at him because he says, “But I didn’t actually hit you!” I’m angry at him for that because it’s the lamest response I can think of to an act of aggression that could have turned into an act of violence. And I’m angry because I’m addicted to telling myself, “It could have been worse. So many people have it so much worse. Just let it go. He didn’t actually hit you.”
I’m addicted to trying to take less responsibility for the way my life turned out ”¦ to blaming him for what hurts me. And I’m addicted to being angry at myself for the way my life turned out ”¦ and angry at myself for blaming him for what hurts me. I’m addicted to that anger because I’m accountable for myself and my life and for what I allow ”¦ and no matter how much I felt like I loved him ”¦ I was supposed to love myself first and best and I didn’t.
I’m addicted to my new reality ”¦ the reality in which nothing seems right without that drama and chaos even though this calm, quiet, peaceful life is healthier and safer and more trustworthy. Even though this life is beautiful. And I’m angry at myself for this particular addiction more than anything else.
That’s how I know I’m an addict. I’m a co-dependent, enabling, door mat of an addict.
Because when I say that I miss the way I felt when I was with him ”¦ I know that’s my addiction doing the talking.
Because when I’m honest with myself I can say that most days I felt desperate to prove to him that I was worthy of his notice.
Most days I felt like a piece of worthless garbage.
Most days I felt like I was a stupid f*cking c*nt and that he deserved better than me.
And that may not be entirely his fault ”¦ because I participated.
But most days I felt incapable of being anything other than that worthless piece of garbage and I don’t know how someone who “supposedly” loved me could not see that there was something wrong.
I know I’m an addict ”¦ because I was willingly living on scraps ”¦”¦ and I was starving ”¦ and it was killing me ”¦ and I miss that feeling of dying.
Still and Serenity, you have both had harrowing experiences. That’s reason enough for you to be here, and you are both welcome and you are both making contributions which will be of comfort and use to others. It isn’t a weakness to find that you have been manipulated. It can happen to anyone. It is not a marker of low intelligence or low morals. It takes courage to go through the realisations that we are going through, and courage to learn whatever lessons we need to learn to keep ourselves safe and secure. You are not weak. x
‘Still and Serenity’ that sounds pretty good no?! You two should team up on a project!x
These days I find myself looking a lot both for stillness and for serenity!!!
Serenity the reason we rationalise and excuse is because something about their being/their mirroring of our deepest selves resonates with us….that is why Oxy and the other wiser ones write that it finally ends up being about our need to learn more about ourselves…wether that means learning about keeping harder boundries, or about our core shame/abandonment issues or or or….WE have to evolve past the point where we become perfect targets for harm.
That is knowledge that becomes OUR truth and you know what they say… the truth shall set you free!!!!
Tea, sure if Serenity is willing, I’d love to team up. 🙂
I have fantacized many a time about doing presentations for others on the many issues I’ve encountered in life, the latest being corporate age discrimination and sociopaths in the workplace! Tea, I used to blog here quite a bit for a few months about a year or so ago and it is a great place. Good, good people. Wonderful people.
Serenity. Serenity, Serenity, I SO hear you as well. That funeral story where so sick, is a perfect example of one of the faces of mal narc/socio. All about me (and may I please repeat, “3 Yr OLD”. Please don’t forget that. I know and feel that all these things are not black and white, and are theoretical. Were they *really* sociopaths????? That’s what grates on me. I’m not sure why. If you and I and others truly believed they were sick, would we be so upset? Would we be more willing to let them go? Would we be able to move ahead? If there were some definitive test such as there is for a uti or anemia, and they passed as flaming mal narcs and sociopaths, would we be able to forget?
For me, I’m not sure because I had feelings for him and that is just so hard to get past. OK, this is bad but I’ll tell you what would cure me in about a minute. If I saw him and he had become physically unattractive, I’d be completely turned off. So that shows you how little I cared for him and how much of it was just chemistry and physical attraction. I so wish that would happen. I know that sounds shallow and immature, but there was nothing about this experience that had any depth to it. I thought so but realized in short shrift he was full of it and after awhile, when he was getting in trouble, just bs’ing me to the hilt so I wouldn’t rat him out for hitting on me. He also tried to recruit me to back him up if asked by anyone. And I sat there and said I would! Even apologized to him for being “hard on him” at such a tough time in his life after he lied and abused me during a conversation.
Serenity, your story is shocking. It’s hard to imagine that you slept w/the guy and weren’t even attracted to him. I am so sorry. He very much got into your head. Please try not to fret about the cog diss. Try to accept that it’s there and you are a victim of it. Then try to go from there. These guys choose well. They may be 3 emotionally but they have the radar of the most sophisticated weaponry detection equipment. Actaully youngsters do too…they know a soft touch and will try to get the goodies from the easiest mark. Not a putdown…but they know better than to “play” a tough, unflappable person. Doesn’t have anything to do with your smarts or character. Hang tite.
Imara, I’ve been through counseling to try and figure out what is wrong with me. I had a VERY stressful childhood as my mother had mental health issues and was very strict and controlling. I never could do anything right, I would get grounded for not hanging my clothes up “her way” etc….In her old age she’s changed a lot but I RESENT her so much! I attribute that to settling with men who treat me like garbage and I still “hang in there” perhaps because when I was a child I had no choice…I had to hang in there. I got used to the fight.
Many times I felt the same way with my ex. He had SUCH a skewed view of who I was and never BELIEVED me and I was forever CONVINCING!! Even down to the last second we spoke…the closure I wanted was for him to validate me. Just like my mother never could do. I hung on WAY to long to this man because I didn’t want to quit until he knew and believed the “real me” where most people if treated like that would flip him the bird and walk away and never look back…
Still, I’m not sure why I slept with him that day… we had been friends for a few months and I could tell he liked me…he had come over to help me move and we had a few drinks and I gave in to his charm. We flirted all day had a great time and I suppose I liked the attention? But almost immediately after that I was like “I can’t believe I did that!” But then the texting and the attention continued and 4 years later….
And yes the Cog Dis is driving me banana’s!! lol
Thanks for your words…I wish I could offer more advice but the truth is I’m just not there yet. I’m still waking up and getting over the shock of all this realization about him and myself. I want to be a better person….someone who contributes more to society! My whole LIFE revolved around him the past 4 years and I was a JERK to the world and a total waste of space in that sense….I was just taking up space and completely focused on proving myself to HIM!!
OK Serenity, we had almost exactly the same mother, not surprising but always interesting when you find someone who had a similar upbringing going thru the same challenges. Lots of constant criticism, perfectionistic home (no friends allowed), plastic on the furniture, even told me I didn’t know how to hold a paper bag the right way. Sad part is, I bought into it and she was my goddess until I finally got into therapy at age 25. So the damage was done and though I have struggled, I’m still the same bag of crap in my own eyes, as I felt I was in hers. I’m convinced that it’s in the wiring too. I think if we were wired differently, the abuse might not have taken ahold of us so strongly.
I’m not in a good place right now. Overall depressed because I can’t find work, but have gotten a lot of interviews and even a few offers so all is not bleak. Just want to pay very, very little and lots of hard work for no money. I just feel low.
I’m sorry you had to live through a similar situation. Your resentment is well founded. I’ve been through decades of therapy and really not much help. I’m stubborn, perhaps don’t want to be helped really. I don’t care anymore. I’m really sick of it. Miserable childhood, never could be in with the in crowd and always wanted to be. I’ve been told I get in my own way. I believe that. Always a romantic, always a fanticizer. Always immature. Never measured up. Even today, I feel like I’m about 10 yrs old emotionally. I don’t cook and never entertain so feel like a loser in the family, but the family doesn’t want to go out to dinner or do things together that don’t involve cooking in the house so am I really a loser?
Sorry for all this and sorry for sounding rotten and miserable and REALLY, I’m NOT looking for anyone to make me feel better. Just venting. Not fishing. Serenity, these feelings, this rotten situation w/the path. It’s understandable. You have to like yourself and it’s hard when you’re examined under a microscope during your young years, not accepted by the one person who means the most to you and even punished by them for things that don’t matter (hanging up your clothes).
I feel guilty every day and confused for the love/hate w/my mom and being sick and anxious amidst the fighting in the house between parents. I was always in the middle, but of course! Then I walked right into a similar situation in marriage. Really upstanding guy but so unsupportive and uncomplimentary and critical. And I feel guilty every day because I don’t treat him better.
That’s about enuf depressing stuff for now. You aren’t alone.
I’m just really down because I need to work so badly. It was the only place where I could focus and not worry and angst about everything. xo Sorry
Still, I’m sorry about not being able to find work I can imagine how frustrating that is and adds to your low. In times like that I try to take a moment to focus on the things that I’m proud of and that I have control over. Tends to help.
One big difference between your relationship and mine is that I HATED my mother growing up. She was mean to both my sister and I and I KNEW her behavior was WRONG. It was the same with my spath I KNEW his behavior was wrong but I stayed with him anyway…why? I mean as soon as I turned 18 I left home. I was still a senior in high school and my mother threatened to cut off my university funding if I left…like who does that? I worked my but off waiting tables and paid for it myself…she said I wouldn’t be able to do it. Guess what I did it!! And saved enough money to buy myself a condo. Never listened to anything she said again.
I felt SO empowered at the age of 23-28 I owned my own place, I had a great job, I traveled all over, I LOVED myself… Then at about the age of 29 something happened…I lost my confidence. I was sleeping with guys I didn’t really like just for attention and not really having any relationships with any value…about 6 months later was when I met my spath and now here I am. Wondering if I’ll ever be able to restore that and why I lost it to begin with…I blame myself because I was weak before I met him. But just BARELY. He just got me at the right time.
I can 100% DITTO the qualities that you described about yourself. I don’t feel 33 that’s for sure. I felt 33 when I was 23. Now I like you feel 10.
I said to my spath near the end “You changed who I was” and he wrote back “I didn’t change you, you are the exact same person you were when I met you…a manipulative SL#T” Sometimes looking back I believe it…I was in that phase of life but I had hope I was going to pull out of it….Enter Spath. Man Alive:(
Its been good getting this out…thanks for relating and sharing. I know its hard.
And Still, don’t ever apologize again for venting!! New rule lol.
Before I go work out, which is my saving grace in life, I wanted to respond back to your post. You have a lot to be proud of. I believe you are wired for strength and confidence and a tough center, unlike myself. You were one of the ones who didn’t believe your mother and flew in the face of her jealousy and criticism. GOOD FOR YOU. Not all mothers are good just because they’re mothers. I do believe most of them do the best they can…..many are limited, mentally unhealthy people. Yours sounds jealous of you and your sister, maybe your freedom and your youth. It doesn’t matter, she, albeit in a bad way, allowed you to see how strong you are.
I so wish I could figure out for you why you changed at 29. It could have been something physical like a hormonal imbalance or a response to some emotional or psychological experience(s) or trigger(s). It’s so hard to determine as the mind/brain are so complex. Why I wonder would you lose your confidence w/so much on your side? Wow. I take it therapy didn’t help you unravel the cause. Maybe a delayed reaction to your mother’s critical nature and how hard she was on you.
Well, let me tell you, you’re young and you *can* and will bounce back to what you had/were during your 20’s. This is temporary. Listen, I really think you should try to find a very, very well-reputed therapist and go through this with them. I mean someone who knows what the hell they’re doing. You have so much going for you, self-possessed, smart, you kicked butt hard to get what you wanted. You overpowered a mother who could have destroyed you. You believe in YOU and well you should!! You’ve proven yourself and just need to get back into the groove. Path is just a rock in the road and you *will* kick him aside. It’s that intellectualism hitting the gut that takes awhile. It has to slide down from the brain. It will.
No giving up. You’ll get there and please try not to contact that moron. He will only drag you deeper into hell and make it harder for you to find the light you once had. It’s still there but inhumans like him will try to snuff it out any way they can. You *will* see this. Hang in there…always here to listen.
Hi Serenity,
Don’t do it …It will leave you feeling cold and more wounded.
I am on board with all the above…NC is the only way.
Let me share with you the last couple of exchanges w/ the spath-zilla… him speaking..”I miss you, and as long as you never ask me “what” I am doing, who I am doing “it” with, nor how I “feel” about you or “what” my true “intentions” are….then we can get together for an occasional F–K and dinner, as long as you NEVER CALL ME ON ANYTHING I say or do that is disrespectful and dishonoring to you.”
WOW, what a great guy! Just makes my heart melt!!!
Beleive me when I tell you….you do not want to go there.
I have just come home from boxing, for stress and anger releif, forgive the tone here. I’m full of endorphins…sure beats spath-slime !! : )
The head gets it today…they don’t care, can’t care…no ability to love. They are never going to care for or love us. I’m with Louise, going to counseling to figure out why I wanted a man who treated me this way.
Instead of e-mailing the A-hole…love yourself instead. Put on some soothing music, have tea…and hugs to you. I have almost 3 months NC. Thx to LF, the loving wise people on here (GOD bless you all), and a healthy dose of occasional and righteous anger.
Discovering, I am sure I am no stronger than you : ) He just didn’t want me…so it was hard to continue filleting myself for him~ I admit that if I had not found out about OW, and he had continued to pour pretend caring towards me…I may still be in the dark. Still seeing him! Thank GOD I am not.
Truthspeak, As always, you are right on the money !! : ) Maybe you have a tough love approach, but maybe some times it is necessary. I am going at whatever pace comes…but damn, it does suck. You see, my head get things quick, my heart is a slow learner. I remember a post here recently , that talked about the soul of a woman being a fragile thing, mine surely is. And that a good man knows and respects this truth. Well, these creatures from the deep probably know this all too well….and they seek us out for destruction b/c of it. It has changed me…no doubt. I feel 0 trust for anything with a wanger! LOL.
Still sad today, cried a little, some anger…yeah, I am going through the stages like hop-scocth. So be it.
Pain. Better than being the fool of a heartless-souless human being that would not think twice of leaving me for dead, if it served his immediate needs and desires.
Hugs and love to all,
Bluemosaic (not going to be sad , right now!)