This is a big topic, and I fully intend to flesh it out in future posts. But allow me, here, to consider this question from the perspective of the work I do with couples. It is often surprisingly easy, from a couples therapy perspective, to weed out the narcissists from the non-narcissists; and more importantly, the salvageable from the unsalvageable narcissists.
Narcissists, as we know, will struggle to see things from their partners’ perspective. But let’s be clear: it is the reasons they struggle with this, not that they struggle with it, that signals their narcissism.
At the risk of oversimplifying, narcissists struggle to appreciate their partners’ perspective fundamentally because they are deeply self-centered; and their self-centeredness does not arise from a neuro-developmental disorder.
But why do narcissists struggle to see things from their partners’ perspective? Mainly, because to do so, in their experience, would concede the primacy—the overwhelming significance and importance—of their wants and needs.
For narcissistic personalities, the mere notion of others questioning the primacy of their experience is felt variously as insulting, outrageous, unacceptable, threatening and punishable.
In contrast, less narcissistic personalities are less threatened to consider their partners’ perspective, because they have a more equitable view of whose perspective matters. To be clear, for less narcissistic individuals, their perspective matters a lot, but their partners’ perspective also matters a lot.
But I want to be very clear: it’s not that less narcissistic personalities don’t take their own perspectives seriously, maybe even more seriously than their partners’; it’s just that they’re not inflexibly wedded to the idea that their experience—how they feel, how they think, what they want, what they need—is always, by definition, more important and valid than their partners’!
Believe it or not, this is a virtual litmus test for problem levels of narcissism. When I work with couples, I am interested to encourage, and then see, something very important. I’m interested to encourage, first of all, the idea that “validating” your partner’s experience is not the same as endorsing it, agreeing with it, or even, necessarily, fully understanding it.
And “validating” your partner’s experience certainly doesn’t obligate you to abandon your own, possibly very different perception of the situation.
And so I often discuss this model of validation with couples in some depth—especially, the idea that you can recognize your partner’s experience; be willing, interested and curious to appreciate, and better understand, your partner’s experience, from her perspective; and recognize the sanity and sense of your partner’s experience, again from her perspective, without any of this effort and interest requiring you to concede your own, and perhaps very different, experience of the situation.
As you can see, validating, in this model, is the process of recognizing your partner’s experience from her perspective. It is not a process, as noted, of necessarily agreeing with, or even fully understanding your partner; and most certainly—and I can’t stress this enough— it is not a contest of whose perceptions of any given situation are more accurate and right, versus less accurate and more wrong.
Many find this a liberating concept, as it can allow for a relaxation of a common and unhelpful defense: I can’t validate what you’re saying or feeling, because to do so would effectively invalidate my experience.
In other words, from the perspective I’m describing, it’s possible—indeed, with motivation and practice, surpisingly easy—to validate another’s experience without in the least invalidating your own. In fact, this is a model of validation that’s relatively easy to practice because it respects the integrity of one’s own perceptions and experiences.
Once the need for the above defense is removed—and I work hard with couples to remove it—the couple’s capacity to appreciate each others’ experiences of each other often improves significantly.
Partners discover that, because the integrity of their personal experience is preservable, they can actually listen to each others’ experiences with more interest, curiosity and less defensiveness.
In marriages in which some goodwill remains, partners who buy into the model of validation I’m describing often find themselves striving for even more—that is, more than merely endeavoring to listen to each other more effectively, they often find themselves striving to make their partner’s experiences less frustrating and more satisfying.
Conversely, where no goodwill remains in the relationship, everything I’m discussing becomes pretty much moot. Narcissist or not, the marriage, with no goodwill left, is almost certainly dead. It’s just awfully difficult to recover goodwill in a relationship when the “goodwill tank” begins in the therapist’s office with the arrow on empty.
In any case, what happens in my office is often very interesting. The highly narcissistic and, in extreme cases, sociopathic client, cannot do what I’m discussing. Specifically, he is unable, with sincerity and effectiveness, to apply the model of validation I’ve described.
I suggested above the reason for this: he is simply too deeply, inflexibly invested in the significance, if not superiority, of his experience to make enough room for genuine interest in his partners’ experience, even after he’s been introduced to, and given ample time to digest, the proposed model of validation.
That is, this model of validation still falls well short of his demands. Sure, it’s nice that his partner is making efforts to recognize and appreciate his experience from his perspective. He’ll certainly take that, but he wants more than that.
Not surprisingly, what’s necessary—that is, what he still insists on and continues to demand—is his partner’s total capitulation to his way of seeing things.
This is the essence of his narcissism or, if you prefer, his deep, immutable self-centeredness.
Will these individuals show their cards immediately? More often than not, yes. More often than not, whether in my office or outside it (between therapy sessions), they’ll demonstrate, sooner than later, their inability to apply the kind of mutual validation under discussion.
But what about the smooth manipulator? It’s true that a smooth operator, a sociopath, for instance, can fake this process for some time, if he perceives it’s in his selfish interest to do so. (By “fake it,” I mean that he may seem to grasp it, apply it, and be invested in it.)
Yet, in my experience, even the manipulative individual masquerading as sensivitely invested in this form of validating communication, will almost always, sooner than later, reveal chinks in his mask; almost always, sooner than later, he’ll lapse into the highly self-centered attitudes and behaviors of the classic narcissist—attitudes and behaviors characterized by high, rationalized levels of under-accountability and non-transparency.
And so, while the slick manipulator may “get over” for a while, it’s usually not for long. That is, while he may present, initially, as reasonable, flexible and motivated, sooner than later his disguise will fray, revealing his true agenda in the forms of his usual presumptions and entitlement to ongoing gratification.
And so who is the salvageable partner? Narcissist or not, I’d venture to suggest he’s the partner capable of understanding, and appreciating, the concept of validation I propose.
He will be highly motivated to apply it, which is to say, willing to work hard, consistently and sustainedly at applying it; and, of course, he must be capable of applying it.
But the nice thing is, if he’s willing to work hard at it, he’ll definitely succeed.
In which case he won’t be a narcissist or, at the very least, his narcissism will prove to have been less extreme, and less emotionally crippling, than we might have feared.
(This article, the first of several impending articles on this subject, is copyrighted © 2010 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns in this article was purely for convenience’s sake. Females are also capable of the attitudes and behaviors discussed.)
Good Morning , Steve
A very complex article. It certainly leaves one with the “What if ” and ” If only ” feelings.
I wonder if it would have been different if I were fortunate enough to have had you as a couples counselor. What if we had sought help when there was more goodwill left in the relationship ?? Would the story have a different ending ?
Or is he one of the emotionally crippled ones where there is no hope ?
Does his interest/love/convenience in his partner dictate how much he will invest personally ?
Or is it the partner herself who eventually settles for so little and gives so much ?
Thanks Steve:) What a thought provocking article:)x
Great article Steve!!! And as NewLife says, complex. I add thought provoking, as well. Gives a lot of good information to “chew” on. Thanks!
Interesting. If I’d known then what I know now…..
Steve, please perform a Vulcan Mind transfer on every member of your profession.
I remember the guy who must have been trying to give me a clue – but it was too obtuse. Its about devotion.
Why would you devote yourself to anyone who isn’t devoted to you? Well, these days that is the question and the prevailing wind is in the direction of:Nope.
My head is going to explode with all the psychology I’m learning!
Ten years ago it was cookbooks! This is a complex recipe for recovery, but I am sure elegant to serve. I am sure of that.
Do we get degree’s for learning all this stuff or belts? How would be to say I am a yellow belt in Personality Disorders? HMM. Not quite the thing that one would describe at a cocktail party… but I say we are among many black belts here.
Thank you Sensai-san for another good one.
Wax on! Wax Off!
Keep working, we will be stronger…And make no mistake, there is a fight going on out there for your life and mine -the very prizes these pirates would take from us.
AVAST ASSHOLES! WE trained with STEVE and because of it have become more deadly accurate in recognizing your Jolly Rogers!
Does anyone know of a good Background Check site online…even if it costs? I want to check someone out that I met!
Go to 123People.com
and cross reference them with all the avenues there. That is an excellent site to start.
If you know there home #, you can get there address or business info to check out.
Any articles will be on 123 site.
If you know ANYTHING about them….hobbies they may be in the news for, or charity functions…..you can confirm on 123.
It will give you their age, if they’ve owned property, who with….kids names, parents names etc….and where they have lived or recieved mail (city).
Depending on what you need to know…..
I like to check out cross referencing to see how accurate someone portrays themselves and how ‘open’ they are.
You can do a pacer search for criminal or bankruptcys’, civil also….in some states.
Or do a county recorders office search to see what they are involved with. ANything recorded willshow up.
Also a county court record search by name.
You gotta be careful and KNOW your looking at the same ‘Jim Brown’……and age/address you can generally find on 123.
If you know they lived in XX county at one point….do a search in that county.
There really isn’t ONE site that will give you the ‘low down’.
Check out Facebooks and My spaces….linkedin, Bing also……those should show up on 123 at the bottom.
There is SO MUCH you can find out online….but you need to cross reference and look at several things.
Also do the ‘google search’ of their name…..Bing search and yahoo search……sometimes they all have different items.
I have never paid (except Pacer 8Cents a page ) to search anyone. Found enough online free.
Good luck!
EB
Silver~
We recieve ‘lifetime achievment’ awards. And there is no red carpet event or celebrity to present these awards to us.
The LAA is presented in a dark room, with tears and pain….no applause, no standing ovation, no cocktail party afterwards.
We receive this award in silence.
It is earned by great pain, suffering and destruction in our lives.
We need to place it on the shelf and keep it’s memory alive, because it is the only award we need to be reminded of.
We earn this award, out and out. This is an award which can’t be bought or sold.
We take heavy classes on things we never knew about, we wax on wax off for years…..before earning this award….
THEN ONE DAY……we see it…..it’s sitting right up there on the mantle of our hearts…..and we wonder….’how’ did it get there.
Very few can see this award, but it is recognized by some loyal and good supporters of our journey.
Congratulations on becoming a LAA recipient…..your in good company.
Steve:
THANK YOU for your articles….and contributions to LF!!!
I just can’t imagine the shiat you have seen sit before you. How, at times, do you not just want to strangle a person on your ‘couch’.
I went to your website and listened to your radio interviews….
PEEPS….I highly recommend listening to them.
Steves website is on his LF author page to the left.
Check it out……he’s SO insightful…..
Thanks Steve!!!!
Steve
It’s too much for me, all this label babble, psycho babble….I just want to relate to this as a human being and that means being unique and not under a label. Even the P was a unique unrepeatable P. Is he a narcissist? is he salvagable? no no no he couldnt give a damn, and either could I.
I hope you would never want to strangle the PERSON on your couch…I really feel this is more mysterious than you give it credit…and brilliant insight gets tiring….thanks though, and I’m just saying what I feel
ErinBrock….
Thanks for the suggestion. He isn’t a US citizen…he’s from UK.
I checked White pages and he’s there…address is correct from what he told me. Is there an international site that you know of…