This is a big topic, and I fully intend to flesh it out in future posts. But allow me, here, to consider this question from the perspective of the work I do with couples. It is often surprisingly easy, from a couples therapy perspective, to weed out the narcissists from the non-narcissists; and more importantly, the salvageable from the unsalvageable narcissists.
Narcissists, as we know, will struggle to see things from their partners’ perspective. But let’s be clear: it is the reasons they struggle with this, not that they struggle with it, that signals their narcissism.
At the risk of oversimplifying, narcissists struggle to appreciate their partners’ perspective fundamentally because they are deeply self-centered; and their self-centeredness does not arise from a neuro-developmental disorder.
But why do narcissists struggle to see things from their partners’ perspective? Mainly, because to do so, in their experience, would concede the primacy—the overwhelming significance and importance—of their wants and needs.
For narcissistic personalities, the mere notion of others questioning the primacy of their experience is felt variously as insulting, outrageous, unacceptable, threatening and punishable.
In contrast, less narcissistic personalities are less threatened to consider their partners’ perspective, because they have a more equitable view of whose perspective matters. To be clear, for less narcissistic individuals, their perspective matters a lot, but their partners’ perspective also matters a lot.
But I want to be very clear: it’s not that less narcissistic personalities don’t take their own perspectives seriously, maybe even more seriously than their partners’; it’s just that they’re not inflexibly wedded to the idea that their experience—how they feel, how they think, what they want, what they need—is always, by definition, more important and valid than their partners’!
Believe it or not, this is a virtual litmus test for problem levels of narcissism. When I work with couples, I am interested to encourage, and then see, something very important. I’m interested to encourage, first of all, the idea that “validating” your partner’s experience is not the same as endorsing it, agreeing with it, or even, necessarily, fully understanding it.
And “validating” your partner’s experience certainly doesn’t obligate you to abandon your own, possibly very different perception of the situation.
And so I often discuss this model of validation with couples in some depth—especially, the idea that you can recognize your partner’s experience; be willing, interested and curious to appreciate, and better understand, your partner’s experience, from her perspective; and recognize the sanity and sense of your partner’s experience, again from her perspective, without any of this effort and interest requiring you to concede your own, and perhaps very different, experience of the situation.
As you can see, validating, in this model, is the process of recognizing your partner’s experience from her perspective. It is not a process, as noted, of necessarily agreeing with, or even fully understanding your partner; and most certainly—and I can’t stress this enough— it is not a contest of whose perceptions of any given situation are more accurate and right, versus less accurate and more wrong.
Many find this a liberating concept, as it can allow for a relaxation of a common and unhelpful defense: I can’t validate what you’re saying or feeling, because to do so would effectively invalidate my experience.
In other words, from the perspective I’m describing, it’s possible—indeed, with motivation and practice, surpisingly easy—to validate another’s experience without in the least invalidating your own. In fact, this is a model of validation that’s relatively easy to practice because it respects the integrity of one’s own perceptions and experiences.
Once the need for the above defense is removed—and I work hard with couples to remove it—the couple’s capacity to appreciate each others’ experiences of each other often improves significantly.
Partners discover that, because the integrity of their personal experience is preservable, they can actually listen to each others’ experiences with more interest, curiosity and less defensiveness.
In marriages in which some goodwill remains, partners who buy into the model of validation I’m describing often find themselves striving for even more—that is, more than merely endeavoring to listen to each other more effectively, they often find themselves striving to make their partner’s experiences less frustrating and more satisfying.
Conversely, where no goodwill remains in the relationship, everything I’m discussing becomes pretty much moot. Narcissist or not, the marriage, with no goodwill left, is almost certainly dead. It’s just awfully difficult to recover goodwill in a relationship when the “goodwill tank” begins in the therapist’s office with the arrow on empty.
In any case, what happens in my office is often very interesting. The highly narcissistic and, in extreme cases, sociopathic client, cannot do what I’m discussing. Specifically, he is unable, with sincerity and effectiveness, to apply the model of validation I’ve described.
I suggested above the reason for this: he is simply too deeply, inflexibly invested in the significance, if not superiority, of his experience to make enough room for genuine interest in his partners’ experience, even after he’s been introduced to, and given ample time to digest, the proposed model of validation.
That is, this model of validation still falls well short of his demands. Sure, it’s nice that his partner is making efforts to recognize and appreciate his experience from his perspective. He’ll certainly take that, but he wants more than that.
Not surprisingly, what’s necessary—that is, what he still insists on and continues to demand—is his partner’s total capitulation to his way of seeing things.
This is the essence of his narcissism or, if you prefer, his deep, immutable self-centeredness.
Will these individuals show their cards immediately? More often than not, yes. More often than not, whether in my office or outside it (between therapy sessions), they’ll demonstrate, sooner than later, their inability to apply the kind of mutual validation under discussion.
But what about the smooth manipulator? It’s true that a smooth operator, a sociopath, for instance, can fake this process for some time, if he perceives it’s in his selfish interest to do so. (By “fake it,” I mean that he may seem to grasp it, apply it, and be invested in it.)
Yet, in my experience, even the manipulative individual masquerading as sensivitely invested in this form of validating communication, will almost always, sooner than later, reveal chinks in his mask; almost always, sooner than later, he’ll lapse into the highly self-centered attitudes and behaviors of the classic narcissist—attitudes and behaviors characterized by high, rationalized levels of under-accountability and non-transparency.
And so, while the slick manipulator may “get over” for a while, it’s usually not for long. That is, while he may present, initially, as reasonable, flexible and motivated, sooner than later his disguise will fray, revealing his true agenda in the forms of his usual presumptions and entitlement to ongoing gratification.
And so who is the salvageable partner? Narcissist or not, I’d venture to suggest he’s the partner capable of understanding, and appreciating, the concept of validation I propose.
He will be highly motivated to apply it, which is to say, willing to work hard, consistently and sustainedly at applying it; and, of course, he must be capable of applying it.
But the nice thing is, if he’s willing to work hard at it, he’ll definitely succeed.
In which case he won’t be a narcissist or, at the very least, his narcissism will prove to have been less extreme, and less emotionally crippling, than we might have feared.
(This article, the first of several impending articles on this subject, is copyrighted © 2010 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns in this article was purely for convenience’s sake. Females are also capable of the attitudes and behaviors discussed.)
Chic!!! NO we will NOT IGNORE YOU AND YOU WILL NOT GO AWAY!!! Now you’ve got a BOINK!!!! coiming for that smart alec comment! So THERE !!!! LOL ((((Hugs)))) Now you get out there and be cheerful before I BOINK YOU AGAIN! ((((hugs)))) and Seriously, just keep putting one foot in front of another, Rome wasn’t built in a day! Love, Oxy
Hi Shabbychick,
I relate to your feelings of loneliness and need for companionship and friendship.
I want to share a book that deeply moved me on this subject. I know a book does not replace laughing with a friend. But it may offer hope that you aren’t alone in such feelings.
It’s called Olive Kittereidge by Elizabeth Strout.
Best wishes, DW
Oxy, well, you made me laugh!!!
DW, thanks for the book referral, I’ll look on Amazon.
Chic:
Better watch her…..I think you just got the o’l DOUBLE BOINK…….
Never seen that before!
Hugs to you darlen.
XXOO
EB
Dear Chic, DW and ErinB,
Hey, at least I am as good as Henry for COMIC RELIEF! If I can get a laugh out of Chic when she is down, I must be good enough to apply for America’s got talent! Remember that 80+ year old grandma stand up comic that made it to the FINALS one year? She was a HOOT! THAT’S WHAT I WANNA BE WHEN I GROW UP!!! I still can’t believe the color of Sharon Osborne’s hair!!! I see people with that color everywhere, Sharon is the ONLY one I’ve ever seen it look good on though, some how with her, ANYTHING looks good! If I dyed my hair that color, I WOULD win the FUNNIEST LOOK though! Can you imagine that, perched on Fat Ass with the phesant tail FEATHERED HAT? OMG, now THAT’s funny, I don’t care who you are!!!!!
Yeah, I’d love to see you on America’s Got Talent!
You would have to ride Fat Ass out on the stage…
that would be great!
Thanks for the laughs!!
Dear Sweet Chic,
I’d do it just to give you a big FAT belly laugh if I could! You know that getting back to where I could see the humor (even BLACK GALLOWS HUMOR) in anything was a good point in my journey! When I got where some stupid thing that Erin B or Henry would say and I would snort and choke and bray and couldn’t breathe for laughing was so GREAT!!!
I think about some of those times when it is like when “grandma gets her tit in the wringer” and all you can do is LAUGH TO KEEP FROM CRYING! Even those laughs are healing. So hit your thumb with a hammer or do something to make yourself “laugh!” No matter what it is! (((Hugs)))) 🙂
Shabbychic My new motto is “It’s better to of loved and lost then to live with a physco the rest of your life”..Yep I get real lonely some times..I went out to the big city tonite to the clubs, first time in months, I was so glad to get back to my lonely stress free rut….Hugs to you ~!
Shabbychic
I’m feeling very lonely too. Summer was the time (me and bobby mc P) were out there, travelling, seeing new things….this summer I’m faced with going over to his country to sell up the little “dream” house…all the dreams that go down the drain. Still hurts, still heartbreak, still just about managing. I have to contact agents, and oversee the selling up, it’s hard to think of the beauty of that place and what happened around it…still waking up thinking of another time he tricked me, my relationship was a cruel trick from start to finish…thank god i can get the money back on the house, if he hasnt done something i dont know about..so scared to take a step towards that country…his territory.
on a positive note, my son that I re -united with 13 years ago (post adoption) called me last night and told me how glad he was we know eachother now, he thanked me for getting him out of all of dangerous trouble (drugs and a bad gang, one of which is dead, 2 in jail) meeting me was the distraction he needed, and also he said there was an empty feeling inside and he was on the road of addiction, he is okay now and he told me he loved me very much . …miracles amidst the mire! so happy with that outcome at least. I love my son so much, I will never let him go again, and I am so sorry I gave him up for adoption…but I cant help but notice what fabulous parents he got! they are so human, and loving to both me and him..so Im blessed and cursed in equal measure