This is a big topic, and I fully intend to flesh it out in future posts. But allow me, here, to consider this question from the perspective of the work I do with couples. It is often surprisingly easy, from a couples therapy perspective, to weed out the narcissists from the non-narcissists; and more importantly, the salvageable from the unsalvageable narcissists.
Narcissists, as we know, will struggle to see things from their partners’ perspective. But let’s be clear: it is the reasons they struggle with this, not that they struggle with it, that signals their narcissism.
At the risk of oversimplifying, narcissists struggle to appreciate their partners’ perspective fundamentally because they are deeply self-centered; and their self-centeredness does not arise from a neuro-developmental disorder.
But why do narcissists struggle to see things from their partners’ perspective? Mainly, because to do so, in their experience, would concede the primacy—the overwhelming significance and importance—of their wants and needs.
For narcissistic personalities, the mere notion of others questioning the primacy of their experience is felt variously as insulting, outrageous, unacceptable, threatening and punishable.
In contrast, less narcissistic personalities are less threatened to consider their partners’ perspective, because they have a more equitable view of whose perspective matters. To be clear, for less narcissistic individuals, their perspective matters a lot, but their partners’ perspective also matters a lot.
But I want to be very clear: it’s not that less narcissistic personalities don’t take their own perspectives seriously, maybe even more seriously than their partners’; it’s just that they’re not inflexibly wedded to the idea that their experience—how they feel, how they think, what they want, what they need—is always, by definition, more important and valid than their partners’!
Believe it or not, this is a virtual litmus test for problem levels of narcissism. When I work with couples, I am interested to encourage, and then see, something very important. I’m interested to encourage, first of all, the idea that “validating” your partner’s experience is not the same as endorsing it, agreeing with it, or even, necessarily, fully understanding it.
And “validating” your partner’s experience certainly doesn’t obligate you to abandon your own, possibly very different perception of the situation.
And so I often discuss this model of validation with couples in some depth—especially, the idea that you can recognize your partner’s experience; be willing, interested and curious to appreciate, and better understand, your partner’s experience, from her perspective; and recognize the sanity and sense of your partner’s experience, again from her perspective, without any of this effort and interest requiring you to concede your own, and perhaps very different, experience of the situation.
As you can see, validating, in this model, is the process of recognizing your partner’s experience from her perspective. It is not a process, as noted, of necessarily agreeing with, or even fully understanding your partner; and most certainly—and I can’t stress this enough— it is not a contest of whose perceptions of any given situation are more accurate and right, versus less accurate and more wrong.
Many find this a liberating concept, as it can allow for a relaxation of a common and unhelpful defense: I can’t validate what you’re saying or feeling, because to do so would effectively invalidate my experience.
In other words, from the perspective I’m describing, it’s possible—indeed, with motivation and practice, surpisingly easy—to validate another’s experience without in the least invalidating your own. In fact, this is a model of validation that’s relatively easy to practice because it respects the integrity of one’s own perceptions and experiences.
Once the need for the above defense is removed—and I work hard with couples to remove it—the couple’s capacity to appreciate each others’ experiences of each other often improves significantly.
Partners discover that, because the integrity of their personal experience is preservable, they can actually listen to each others’ experiences with more interest, curiosity and less defensiveness.
In marriages in which some goodwill remains, partners who buy into the model of validation I’m describing often find themselves striving for even more—that is, more than merely endeavoring to listen to each other more effectively, they often find themselves striving to make their partner’s experiences less frustrating and more satisfying.
Conversely, where no goodwill remains in the relationship, everything I’m discussing becomes pretty much moot. Narcissist or not, the marriage, with no goodwill left, is almost certainly dead. It’s just awfully difficult to recover goodwill in a relationship when the “goodwill tank” begins in the therapist’s office with the arrow on empty.
In any case, what happens in my office is often very interesting. The highly narcissistic and, in extreme cases, sociopathic client, cannot do what I’m discussing. Specifically, he is unable, with sincerity and effectiveness, to apply the model of validation I’ve described.
I suggested above the reason for this: he is simply too deeply, inflexibly invested in the significance, if not superiority, of his experience to make enough room for genuine interest in his partners’ experience, even after he’s been introduced to, and given ample time to digest, the proposed model of validation.
That is, this model of validation still falls well short of his demands. Sure, it’s nice that his partner is making efforts to recognize and appreciate his experience from his perspective. He’ll certainly take that, but he wants more than that.
Not surprisingly, what’s necessary—that is, what he still insists on and continues to demand—is his partner’s total capitulation to his way of seeing things.
This is the essence of his narcissism or, if you prefer, his deep, immutable self-centeredness.
Will these individuals show their cards immediately? More often than not, yes. More often than not, whether in my office or outside it (between therapy sessions), they’ll demonstrate, sooner than later, their inability to apply the kind of mutual validation under discussion.
But what about the smooth manipulator? It’s true that a smooth operator, a sociopath, for instance, can fake this process for some time, if he perceives it’s in his selfish interest to do so. (By “fake it,” I mean that he may seem to grasp it, apply it, and be invested in it.)
Yet, in my experience, even the manipulative individual masquerading as sensivitely invested in this form of validating communication, will almost always, sooner than later, reveal chinks in his mask; almost always, sooner than later, he’ll lapse into the highly self-centered attitudes and behaviors of the classic narcissist—attitudes and behaviors characterized by high, rationalized levels of under-accountability and non-transparency.
And so, while the slick manipulator may “get over” for a while, it’s usually not for long. That is, while he may present, initially, as reasonable, flexible and motivated, sooner than later his disguise will fray, revealing his true agenda in the forms of his usual presumptions and entitlement to ongoing gratification.
And so who is the salvageable partner? Narcissist or not, I’d venture to suggest he’s the partner capable of understanding, and appreciating, the concept of validation I propose.
He will be highly motivated to apply it, which is to say, willing to work hard, consistently and sustainedly at applying it; and, of course, he must be capable of applying it.
But the nice thing is, if he’s willing to work hard at it, he’ll definitely succeed.
In which case he won’t be a narcissist or, at the very least, his narcissism will prove to have been less extreme, and less emotionally crippling, than we might have feared.
(This article, the first of several impending articles on this subject, is copyrighted © 2010 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns in this article was purely for convenience’s sake. Females are also capable of the attitudes and behaviors discussed.)
Steve is right, when there isn’t any good will left, when love and trust are gone, there’s nothing left to work on. That is assuming both people are normal. I wasn’t dealing with a normal, healthy man. The truth is he never loved me. He would have never treated me the way that he did if he had. Abuse isn’t love. Actions speak so much louder than words ever will. I loved him with all of my heart and bent over backwards for him, but it was never enough. Ending my marriage was one of the hardest things I’ve ever had to do. I would have died if I hadn’t, maybe not physically, but in every other way possible. My heart goes out to all of you who are still in a relationship trying to figure out whether or not it’s salvageable. If you’re the only one who is trying and it’s been that way from the beginning, chances are you’re dealing with a person who doesn’t have what it takes to have a normal, healthy relationship. They don’t know how and they are incapable of learning. Going NC with my ex was extremely hard. The grieving process is the same as if that person has died. You literally have to save yourself. I understand where some of you are at right now. Realizing there is no hope for the relationship is very hard to do. Your sanity depends on ending it and having no more contact. Healing does come eventually. It’s difficult to drag yourself through the first few months, but it does get easier with time. I will tell you that it feels great to be in control of my own life again. If and when I allow myself to start another relationship, I will now be very knowledgeable about what to look for. Any red flags, or discomfort, and I will walk away. No more rushing into a relationship for me. It takes time to get to know someone, to trust that person, and fall in love. I’m not going to automatically trust others, or allow myself to be pressured to trust, because trust is something that is earned, not freely given. The more time passes, the more that person will show who they really are. Background checks are a must as well. This isn’t full proof though. Some of these guys have no record to speak of. My ex was a cop…perfect cover. That’s when time is your friend. They will eventually show who and what they really are.
shabby,
Hi, If it’s any comfort, know that you are someone I have missed since not hanging out on the LF board much. I remember you said you were working 2 jobs to make ends meet. do any of those jobs allow you to meet people?
You know so much more about sociopaths than your average person, so how about working at a women’s shelter? I think bringing knowledge to those people would be rewarding and might ease your lonliness.
I think that four things have to be present for a succesful recovery of a broken relationship: your partners willingness to love you, his ability to love you, your willingness to love him, and your ability to love him…without all four componants, it’s unsalvageable.
After years of feeling invisable, voicless, confused discounted, and insignificant, my x narcissistic hub and I entered therapy.
I blieve he was treatable. I saw genuine signsof remorse. I saw a lot of efforton his part…but it was too late for me.
I wasn’t willing anymore.
I have forgivenhim however, and seen my part of the drama.
We still function as fellow family members.
I’m still processing and learning every day. I have a really long way to go.
Have dreamed about the last spath, (whom I’ve been NC with for three years in September) the last two nights. Why?
Not really bad dreams…confusing dreams…I’m feeling the old conflict of wanting to be with him, but knowing I NEED NOT TO. Tellinghim I have to go, but staying…telling him I haven’t forgivenhim and I never will, while showing him how beautiful the mountains are in my home town….very strange.
Hi Skylar. Really great to see you. I MISS YOUR SENSE OF HUMOR>
Skyler, that was a very sweet thing to say, thank you! Sometimes I feel like a geek around here! Nice to see you every once in a while. The volunteering at a woman’s shelter is a really good idea. I’m not working right now… which ads to my isolated feelings. I’ll look around for more volunteer opportunities. Hope you’ll be able to tell us about YOU sometime soon!
STYLE – sending a large hug your way.
i don’t know what went on here today, but i hope that there will be retractions and apologies.
i see a whole lot of pain, reaction, and what I will call abuse.
you don’t have to agree with me on this. but if you feel a need to attack ME about my opinion, don’t type. i am serious; there is no need for more pain being created on lf.
i am grateful for every connection and moment of sanity i have had because of lf – but lf is sometimes not a safe place, and many people experience this. i say that with confidence, as i have contact with people off blog, and I know how much some of us struggle sometimes with the dynamics here.
what makes it work to the extent it does, is that we practice a modicum of kindness, tolerance and compassion, and do our best to not take things personally. today, on this thread, we failed.
I remember once or twice or three times…
there was some major
pain and reaction on a thread
and the people involved in those
aaah, previous altercations
(myself included)
are still here and talking to each other!
So cool!!!!
I didn’t realize
that all you peeps
were talking to each other
off blog!!
I’m such a geek!!
Now I’m convinced
nobody wants to talk to me!
Bummer!!!
I apologize
for the last 24 hours
I have been blathering
on and on and on
about myself,
as usual!! I swear
I won’t complain about
being alone anymore!!!
There are bigger things
happening in the world
than my one little problem,
I admit it!!!