This is a big topic, and I fully intend to flesh it out in future posts. But allow me, here, to consider this question from the perspective of the work I do with couples. It is often surprisingly easy, from a couples therapy perspective, to weed out the narcissists from the non-narcissists; and more importantly, the salvageable from the unsalvageable narcissists.
Narcissists, as we know, will struggle to see things from their partners’ perspective. But let’s be clear: it is the reasons they struggle with this, not that they struggle with it, that signals their narcissism.
At the risk of oversimplifying, narcissists struggle to appreciate their partners’ perspective fundamentally because they are deeply self-centered; and their self-centeredness does not arise from a neuro-developmental disorder.
But why do narcissists struggle to see things from their partners’ perspective? Mainly, because to do so, in their experience, would concede the primacy—the overwhelming significance and importance—of their wants and needs.
For narcissistic personalities, the mere notion of others questioning the primacy of their experience is felt variously as insulting, outrageous, unacceptable, threatening and punishable.
In contrast, less narcissistic personalities are less threatened to consider their partners’ perspective, because they have a more equitable view of whose perspective matters. To be clear, for less narcissistic individuals, their perspective matters a lot, but their partners’ perspective also matters a lot.
But I want to be very clear: it’s not that less narcissistic personalities don’t take their own perspectives seriously, maybe even more seriously than their partners’; it’s just that they’re not inflexibly wedded to the idea that their experience—how they feel, how they think, what they want, what they need—is always, by definition, more important and valid than their partners’!
Believe it or not, this is a virtual litmus test for problem levels of narcissism. When I work with couples, I am interested to encourage, and then see, something very important. I’m interested to encourage, first of all, the idea that “validating” your partner’s experience is not the same as endorsing it, agreeing with it, or even, necessarily, fully understanding it.
And “validating” your partner’s experience certainly doesn’t obligate you to abandon your own, possibly very different perception of the situation.
And so I often discuss this model of validation with couples in some depth—especially, the idea that you can recognize your partner’s experience; be willing, interested and curious to appreciate, and better understand, your partner’s experience, from her perspective; and recognize the sanity and sense of your partner’s experience, again from her perspective, without any of this effort and interest requiring you to concede your own, and perhaps very different, experience of the situation.
As you can see, validating, in this model, is the process of recognizing your partner’s experience from her perspective. It is not a process, as noted, of necessarily agreeing with, or even fully understanding your partner; and most certainly—and I can’t stress this enough— it is not a contest of whose perceptions of any given situation are more accurate and right, versus less accurate and more wrong.
Many find this a liberating concept, as it can allow for a relaxation of a common and unhelpful defense: I can’t validate what you’re saying or feeling, because to do so would effectively invalidate my experience.
In other words, from the perspective I’m describing, it’s possible—indeed, with motivation and practice, surpisingly easy—to validate another’s experience without in the least invalidating your own. In fact, this is a model of validation that’s relatively easy to practice because it respects the integrity of one’s own perceptions and experiences.
Once the need for the above defense is removed—and I work hard with couples to remove it—the couple’s capacity to appreciate each others’ experiences of each other often improves significantly.
Partners discover that, because the integrity of their personal experience is preservable, they can actually listen to each others’ experiences with more interest, curiosity and less defensiveness.
In marriages in which some goodwill remains, partners who buy into the model of validation I’m describing often find themselves striving for even more—that is, more than merely endeavoring to listen to each other more effectively, they often find themselves striving to make their partner’s experiences less frustrating and more satisfying.
Conversely, where no goodwill remains in the relationship, everything I’m discussing becomes pretty much moot. Narcissist or not, the marriage, with no goodwill left, is almost certainly dead. It’s just awfully difficult to recover goodwill in a relationship when the “goodwill tank” begins in the therapist’s office with the arrow on empty.
In any case, what happens in my office is often very interesting. The highly narcissistic and, in extreme cases, sociopathic client, cannot do what I’m discussing. Specifically, he is unable, with sincerity and effectiveness, to apply the model of validation I’ve described.
I suggested above the reason for this: he is simply too deeply, inflexibly invested in the significance, if not superiority, of his experience to make enough room for genuine interest in his partners’ experience, even after he’s been introduced to, and given ample time to digest, the proposed model of validation.
That is, this model of validation still falls well short of his demands. Sure, it’s nice that his partner is making efforts to recognize and appreciate his experience from his perspective. He’ll certainly take that, but he wants more than that.
Not surprisingly, what’s necessary—that is, what he still insists on and continues to demand—is his partner’s total capitulation to his way of seeing things.
This is the essence of his narcissism or, if you prefer, his deep, immutable self-centeredness.
Will these individuals show their cards immediately? More often than not, yes. More often than not, whether in my office or outside it (between therapy sessions), they’ll demonstrate, sooner than later, their inability to apply the kind of mutual validation under discussion.
But what about the smooth manipulator? It’s true that a smooth operator, a sociopath, for instance, can fake this process for some time, if he perceives it’s in his selfish interest to do so. (By “fake it,” I mean that he may seem to grasp it, apply it, and be invested in it.)
Yet, in my experience, even the manipulative individual masquerading as sensivitely invested in this form of validating communication, will almost always, sooner than later, reveal chinks in his mask; almost always, sooner than later, he’ll lapse into the highly self-centered attitudes and behaviors of the classic narcissist—attitudes and behaviors characterized by high, rationalized levels of under-accountability and non-transparency.
And so, while the slick manipulator may “get over” for a while, it’s usually not for long. That is, while he may present, initially, as reasonable, flexible and motivated, sooner than later his disguise will fray, revealing his true agenda in the forms of his usual presumptions and entitlement to ongoing gratification.
And so who is the salvageable partner? Narcissist or not, I’d venture to suggest he’s the partner capable of understanding, and appreciating, the concept of validation I propose.
He will be highly motivated to apply it, which is to say, willing to work hard, consistently and sustainedly at applying it; and, of course, he must be capable of applying it.
But the nice thing is, if he’s willing to work hard at it, he’ll definitely succeed.
In which case he won’t be a narcissist or, at the very least, his narcissism will prove to have been less extreme, and less emotionally crippling, than we might have feared.
(This article, the first of several impending articles on this subject, is copyrighted © 2010 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns in this article was purely for convenience’s sake. Females are also capable of the attitudes and behaviors discussed.)
Again, I’m in question as to how I deal with husband. We went to the same psychologist today, (told my therapist I would try to be open to it) and he didn’t bring up the childhood sexual abuse again. This was a relief for me, he is trying to get my husband to trust him and I can see the benefit of that. Doubtful that husband will ever open up, he can’t risk being vulnerable.
Is he salvagable? I know that his sexual acting out is happening, I don’t believe he has curbed that many times a day routine. He is being prince charming, helping with everything. I thought he would get sick of being the nice guy and I would see him as he used to be. Maybe it takes more time before he gets sick of the charade. Is his motivation the fact that he is having prostate problems? He realizes he doesn’t want to be alone with health problems? Realizes that it will be harder to pursue all them women when he is in pain?
Anyway, I can’t see why he would even go to the psychologist and put himself through the ringer. What’s his motivation?
I’m supposed to write down what I trust about husband and what I don’t trust about him for next time. It would be so much easier to just call it a day, but I made a promise that I would make the effort. Heck, when I asked him to leave he did everything in his power to stay.
Yes, I have been too sensitive, and yes, my self worth was based on what he thought of me. Now that I see it for what it was, I have more self-esteem and are less enmeshed. Thank the lord, that was a horrible place to be. I don’t know if daughter is picking up on my signals, but she does feel bad when her dad doesn’t talk to her so she must feel she wants his approval.
What I’m thinking about this, is that he is a narcissist with a sex addiction. He may put on a damn good show and may have some narcisstic injury but I don’t trust him.
My family is so messed up. Three therapy visits this week between daughter, myself, and husband and I. I should be able to counsel people when this is over!!! How easy it is to fall back into their arms when they show you neverland. It’s a magical place.
Gem, Shabby, Psyche
treble thanks, I’m feeling better today. I really feel that the darkest hour IS before the dawn. Letting the tears out, walking, talking, cursing …you know I could be pottering around, hanging a picture and then I’ll remember something he said, or somewhere we went …and I will say out loud…to myself…”fu%king Ba$tard!! and talk to myself about it….I wish I could get my money back too…I’m about to lose more now with the recession, but I’m looking for closure…that has to be enough for now. It breaks my heart to lose the house, the country, the excitement….all gone.
Shabby I’m blessed to have had you here to help me through the anger, Love you for that! you didnt have to come back to me, yet you did..and every word was like a hug, or a smile or just permission to be all over the place, nothing calms me down more than someone who can accept me as I am, nutz for the most part these days…
you can theorise till the cows come home but until the mess starts filtering through and the pain becomes urgent, the anger raw and unmanagable…and someone ALLOWS it come forward, even if it’s misguided or not polite…then healing is just not even possible.
Hopeforjoy
You sound like a woman who knows exactely what is going on. You have said it all. You sound slightly curious about his motivation for wanting to still love you and make it work…other than that, I hear the lack of trust, the cynicism, the questions, the weariness of it all…stay with the feelings, yes it’s a mess…it cant be any other way, accept the mess and I would agree with your wondering is it because he is in trouble health wise and can’t ‘perform’ as well as he used to , that has him trying this re union….I have my dreams, and I believe people change, human, pathetic, beautiful people CAN change….. but a sociopath? a psychopath? they do not change , they just lie and lie and lie….till your castle is built on sand…the only change will be within yourself.
Dear Hope4joy,
As long as you believe in MAGIC AND LIES nothing will change, you will still be living in a fantasy that will get darker and darker. I wish you well, but what can I say that hasn’t been said here 100 times already?
Oxy,
I know, I know, just when I think I have it figured out and can have some resolution, I’m sucked back in. Trying to make sure that I have given him every oportunity for change. If this was one year ago, I thought he was capable of so much more. Thought that he wouldn’t treat his daughter like she was to blame for his borderline creepy behavior.
I won’t believe in his lies, and he seems to be getting more paranoid, which is probably what you mean by darker and darker. He accused me of setting him up today, i think the psychologist was pushing him to see if his thinking was paranoid. Questions, questions.
I’ve been doing well, moving on….barely thinking of my x b/f…keeping busy…spending time with friends….focusing on Me…riding my bike….relaxing in my new hot tub, spending time with my girls…looking forward to lots of plans for the summer…
THEN…I get a text from him!
Now, I ended the r/s in Feb…he’s called …emailed…texted me…rinse and repeat. I totally ignore him. I won’t change my email address and can’t block emails on there. I don’t want to spend the money to block his number….
But…his contact always gets me ANGRY. I don’t want to feel angry. I’m feeling peaceful for several months now. I don’t even know why I get angry. I just think he has NERVE to contact me like nothing ever happenned and that I will forgive and forget his lies and believe him!!!
I just want to text him back…Please don’t contact me anymore…but then that would be contact!!! Last time I ended our r/s…and did the same thing…he sent me letters in the mail!! Its not often…but I just want him to leave me alone.
Should I write this to him?
No, 2B, don’t do it. Resist the urge.
I know that any contact will make him happy that I showed any emotion at all. So, I won’t. I just don’t know why I get so ANGRY when he calls….
2BHappy,
I wish I could write to you with experience but I’m still in my mess. Although, from everything I’ve read, it’s best to stay no-contact. I just read this book that had a part about stalkers, it said the best thing to do is to be no-contact. It’s like any reaction the ex gets from you is going to feed into his need to get something back. Whether it is a positive or negative reaction, he is getting something out of it.
So with my limited experience on the subject I say don’t even give him the satisfation of a response, treat his e-mails like spam. I do believe the people here know what they are talking about (although following their wisdom takes more courage than I can muster at times), and the advice when dealing with this ex is no-contact.
tobehappy – most telephone providers will change your number at no charge if you tell them your a recieving harrassing calls..no questions asked…they did it for me..no contact is your only weapon and ultimate salvation..