This is a big topic, and I fully intend to flesh it out in future posts. But allow me, here, to consider this question from the perspective of the work I do with couples. It is often surprisingly easy, from a couples therapy perspective, to weed out the narcissists from the non-narcissists; and more importantly, the salvageable from the unsalvageable narcissists.
Narcissists, as we know, will struggle to see things from their partners’ perspective. But let’s be clear: it is the reasons they struggle with this, not that they struggle with it, that signals their narcissism.
At the risk of oversimplifying, narcissists struggle to appreciate their partners’ perspective fundamentally because they are deeply self-centered; and their self-centeredness does not arise from a neuro-developmental disorder.
But why do narcissists struggle to see things from their partners’ perspective? Mainly, because to do so, in their experience, would concede the primacy—the overwhelming significance and importance—of their wants and needs.
For narcissistic personalities, the mere notion of others questioning the primacy of their experience is felt variously as insulting, outrageous, unacceptable, threatening and punishable.
In contrast, less narcissistic personalities are less threatened to consider their partners’ perspective, because they have a more equitable view of whose perspective matters. To be clear, for less narcissistic individuals, their perspective matters a lot, but their partners’ perspective also matters a lot.
But I want to be very clear: it’s not that less narcissistic personalities don’t take their own perspectives seriously, maybe even more seriously than their partners’; it’s just that they’re not inflexibly wedded to the idea that their experience—how they feel, how they think, what they want, what they need—is always, by definition, more important and valid than their partners’!
Believe it or not, this is a virtual litmus test for problem levels of narcissism. When I work with couples, I am interested to encourage, and then see, something very important. I’m interested to encourage, first of all, the idea that “validating” your partner’s experience is not the same as endorsing it, agreeing with it, or even, necessarily, fully understanding it.
And “validating” your partner’s experience certainly doesn’t obligate you to abandon your own, possibly very different perception of the situation.
And so I often discuss this model of validation with couples in some depth—especially, the idea that you can recognize your partner’s experience; be willing, interested and curious to appreciate, and better understand, your partner’s experience, from her perspective; and recognize the sanity and sense of your partner’s experience, again from her perspective, without any of this effort and interest requiring you to concede your own, and perhaps very different, experience of the situation.
As you can see, validating, in this model, is the process of recognizing your partner’s experience from her perspective. It is not a process, as noted, of necessarily agreeing with, or even fully understanding your partner; and most certainly—and I can’t stress this enough— it is not a contest of whose perceptions of any given situation are more accurate and right, versus less accurate and more wrong.
Many find this a liberating concept, as it can allow for a relaxation of a common and unhelpful defense: I can’t validate what you’re saying or feeling, because to do so would effectively invalidate my experience.
In other words, from the perspective I’m describing, it’s possible—indeed, with motivation and practice, surpisingly easy—to validate another’s experience without in the least invalidating your own. In fact, this is a model of validation that’s relatively easy to practice because it respects the integrity of one’s own perceptions and experiences.
Once the need for the above defense is removed—and I work hard with couples to remove it—the couple’s capacity to appreciate each others’ experiences of each other often improves significantly.
Partners discover that, because the integrity of their personal experience is preservable, they can actually listen to each others’ experiences with more interest, curiosity and less defensiveness.
In marriages in which some goodwill remains, partners who buy into the model of validation I’m describing often find themselves striving for even more—that is, more than merely endeavoring to listen to each other more effectively, they often find themselves striving to make their partner’s experiences less frustrating and more satisfying.
Conversely, where no goodwill remains in the relationship, everything I’m discussing becomes pretty much moot. Narcissist or not, the marriage, with no goodwill left, is almost certainly dead. It’s just awfully difficult to recover goodwill in a relationship when the “goodwill tank” begins in the therapist’s office with the arrow on empty.
In any case, what happens in my office is often very interesting. The highly narcissistic and, in extreme cases, sociopathic client, cannot do what I’m discussing. Specifically, he is unable, with sincerity and effectiveness, to apply the model of validation I’ve described.
I suggested above the reason for this: he is simply too deeply, inflexibly invested in the significance, if not superiority, of his experience to make enough room for genuine interest in his partners’ experience, even after he’s been introduced to, and given ample time to digest, the proposed model of validation.
That is, this model of validation still falls well short of his demands. Sure, it’s nice that his partner is making efforts to recognize and appreciate his experience from his perspective. He’ll certainly take that, but he wants more than that.
Not surprisingly, what’s necessary—that is, what he still insists on and continues to demand—is his partner’s total capitulation to his way of seeing things.
This is the essence of his narcissism or, if you prefer, his deep, immutable self-centeredness.
Will these individuals show their cards immediately? More often than not, yes. More often than not, whether in my office or outside it (between therapy sessions), they’ll demonstrate, sooner than later, their inability to apply the kind of mutual validation under discussion.
But what about the smooth manipulator? It’s true that a smooth operator, a sociopath, for instance, can fake this process for some time, if he perceives it’s in his selfish interest to do so. (By “fake it,” I mean that he may seem to grasp it, apply it, and be invested in it.)
Yet, in my experience, even the manipulative individual masquerading as sensivitely invested in this form of validating communication, will almost always, sooner than later, reveal chinks in his mask; almost always, sooner than later, he’ll lapse into the highly self-centered attitudes and behaviors of the classic narcissist—attitudes and behaviors characterized by high, rationalized levels of under-accountability and non-transparency.
And so, while the slick manipulator may “get over” for a while, it’s usually not for long. That is, while he may present, initially, as reasonable, flexible and motivated, sooner than later his disguise will fray, revealing his true agenda in the forms of his usual presumptions and entitlement to ongoing gratification.
And so who is the salvageable partner? Narcissist or not, I’d venture to suggest he’s the partner capable of understanding, and appreciating, the concept of validation I propose.
He will be highly motivated to apply it, which is to say, willing to work hard, consistently and sustainedly at applying it; and, of course, he must be capable of applying it.
But the nice thing is, if he’s willing to work hard at it, he’ll definitely succeed.
In which case he won’t be a narcissist or, at the very least, his narcissism will prove to have been less extreme, and less emotionally crippling, than we might have feared.
(This article, the first of several impending articles on this subject, is copyrighted © 2010 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns in this article was purely for convenience’s sake. Females are also capable of the attitudes and behaviors discussed.)
2b,
Your earlier post said you were dating and making friends online. I hope you can learn to just move on rather than talk about the kind of person you are worried about encountering because I think that a larger number of them are there and that you are talking to more of them than you may know. A really evil one is going to use that dialog to suck you in by being empathetic and based on experience, I would not be surprised to find out that they’d be quite proficient in understanding and relating to your experience. Please, be careful – Someone artful and practiced in deception can fool you.
And they can make their phone numbers and IP addresses look like ANYTHING.
I’d suggest you check out getting a skype number and consider using some of the extra features that are offered by skype for your dating contacts. If what you really want is a good man, then don’t use FREE dating sites.
Just delete the communications. If its a big enough deal to talk about then I’d venture that there is haunting still there because the last part of a relationship to go is the anger. Funny it takes longest, but anger is a feeling and its a feeling you have for him. It connects you.
Change your number. Its not that hard.
Can’t say I don’t have days when I wouldn’t just be tickled to have a love letter in the mail even from the insult who doesn’t live here anymore, but its not worth it. Really not.
I just laugh it off. Well, who wouldn’t want a love letter instead of a phone bill but, hey! Its over and over means DONE.
Be done. Be careful and be true to yourself. You are a model and inspiration to many and not the least your daughters. There is no going back. That is just the way it is.
Best,
Rosa and Hope…..Thank you for your advice.
I do KNOW in my heart that I should not contact him…
I think the problem is that I never told him off. I never told him how I felt. I wrote him a letter when I decided to end it and it was a nice letter…not expressing my hurt or anger. I didn’t want to give him the satisfaction of hurting me.
So, now, everytime he contacts me I just want to send him one of the “unsent” letters I wrote telling him how hurt I felt!
I never do…because , at this point….there is no point. So..I continue to just journal to myself and never send him my feelings. I’m wondering if this isn’t healthy for me.
Hope, Silver, and Hens…
Its been four months and I haven’t responded. But, everytime…I say…’the next time I am going to write him a letter about how I feel’ Then I don’t.
I cannot change my phone number. I would have to contact hundreds of people to give them my new one!! I can block him though…and might just do that…its only 5 dollars a month! But, he will just email me…ugh! Last time…he sent letters in the mail.
You are right about the anger and letting it go. I’ve worked on that and did find peace in not staying angry at him..understanding that he is just disordered. I also found peace in not being angry at myself…because I understand why I put up with his antics…even though I knew all along when he was lying…I figured that one out.
I just never told him off. I never expressed my hurt and anger toward him…only in a short text when I dumped him.
And, when I don’t hear from him…I don’t dwell on anything to do with him. Its only when he contacts me that I get “triggered”.
2BHappy:
I never told mine off, either.
I left him cold turkey….high & dry (after MANY failed attempts at NC)….I think you know what I mean, but I finally got it right.
By the end, I was all talked out and all cried out.
So, the only thing left to do was leave.
It (NC) drove him absolutely CRAZY, and he got really angry because he was not “finished with me”.
I ended the relationship, not him.
And I did it without telling him or giving him any advanced notice….which is something I learned from HIM.
I moved 4 times and changed my phone number 4 times before he finally quit calling.
Wow, Rosa…..Good for you! Last time I did the same thing…dumped him when I found him on dating sites…I didn’t even tell him why…
Then four months later…I caved and texted him back. They wait until you “cool off” and then they zoom right in. I fell for his lies and went back with him…only to realize that he is a big liar…and that I gave him a chance to lie about the lie that he lied about!!! Never again!!!
Now, at four months….I don’t need the “answers” I was looking for last time. I KNOW that he is a big fat liar and I want no part of him. It just makes me mad at myself for not just telling him how I felt at the time. I wanted to end it cold turkey and never look back. Thats what I did.
But, I have SO many unsent letters…unexpressed anger and hurt. Thats what I have to deal with now. Not easy.
2B:
The No Contact is making him crazier than the unsent letters.
I really believe that.
Because Letters = Attention to the disordered personalities.
And they LOVE attention….any kind of attention.
how often did we tell them how we felt when they were standing in front of us? How often did we tell them off when they were walking out the door? I said horrible things to my X and he just kept coming back for one more chance to tell me a lie, one more chance to play cat and mouse with me, enjoying seeing me upset and in pain, that gives them a rush of power..No Contact really pisses them off and fucks with their sick ego’s, cause they cant play with our emotions anymore, they have no limits and will continue the dance back and forth forever, no contact is our only weapon and ultimate salvation.
Right on, Henry.
I know, Rosa….he didn’t think I would ignore him this time…because last time, I got sucked back in. It was 3 months later.
I know he’s going crazy…that I won’t even talk to him. He is on a dating site that I’m on, everyday…logged in. So…he’s kicking himself ….and he wrote me that he is sososo sorry.
Well..too bad. Its just so hard not to say what I feel!
Hens….you are so right. Thank you everyone….for helping to reinforce the NC….I will just have to write another unsent letter to put into my drafts…
Once I write it…I do feel better.
So glad I didn’t send any of them.
I’m glad I live far enough from him so that I never have to see him again.
Thanks so much for all of your encouragement to stay strong.
And, P.S……. Totally into ME now. No more responding to ads on dating sites….Don’t need another Socio…lots of disordered people on these sites…omg….scary!