This is a big topic, and I fully intend to flesh it out in future posts. But allow me, here, to consider this question from the perspective of the work I do with couples. It is often surprisingly easy, from a couples therapy perspective, to weed out the narcissists from the non-narcissists; and more importantly, the salvageable from the unsalvageable narcissists.
Narcissists, as we know, will struggle to see things from their partners’ perspective. But let’s be clear: it is the reasons they struggle with this, not that they struggle with it, that signals their narcissism.
At the risk of oversimplifying, narcissists struggle to appreciate their partners’ perspective fundamentally because they are deeply self-centered; and their self-centeredness does not arise from a neuro-developmental disorder.
But why do narcissists struggle to see things from their partners’ perspective? Mainly, because to do so, in their experience, would concede the primacy—the overwhelming significance and importance—of their wants and needs.
For narcissistic personalities, the mere notion of others questioning the primacy of their experience is felt variously as insulting, outrageous, unacceptable, threatening and punishable.
In contrast, less narcissistic personalities are less threatened to consider their partners’ perspective, because they have a more equitable view of whose perspective matters. To be clear, for less narcissistic individuals, their perspective matters a lot, but their partners’ perspective also matters a lot.
But I want to be very clear: it’s not that less narcissistic personalities don’t take their own perspectives seriously, maybe even more seriously than their partners’; it’s just that they’re not inflexibly wedded to the idea that their experience—how they feel, how they think, what they want, what they need—is always, by definition, more important and valid than their partners’!
Believe it or not, this is a virtual litmus test for problem levels of narcissism. When I work with couples, I am interested to encourage, and then see, something very important. I’m interested to encourage, first of all, the idea that “validating” your partner’s experience is not the same as endorsing it, agreeing with it, or even, necessarily, fully understanding it.
And “validating” your partner’s experience certainly doesn’t obligate you to abandon your own, possibly very different perception of the situation.
And so I often discuss this model of validation with couples in some depth—especially, the idea that you can recognize your partner’s experience; be willing, interested and curious to appreciate, and better understand, your partner’s experience, from her perspective; and recognize the sanity and sense of your partner’s experience, again from her perspective, without any of this effort and interest requiring you to concede your own, and perhaps very different, experience of the situation.
As you can see, validating, in this model, is the process of recognizing your partner’s experience from her perspective. It is not a process, as noted, of necessarily agreeing with, or even fully understanding your partner; and most certainly—and I can’t stress this enough— it is not a contest of whose perceptions of any given situation are more accurate and right, versus less accurate and more wrong.
Many find this a liberating concept, as it can allow for a relaxation of a common and unhelpful defense: I can’t validate what you’re saying or feeling, because to do so would effectively invalidate my experience.
In other words, from the perspective I’m describing, it’s possible—indeed, with motivation and practice, surpisingly easy—to validate another’s experience without in the least invalidating your own. In fact, this is a model of validation that’s relatively easy to practice because it respects the integrity of one’s own perceptions and experiences.
Once the need for the above defense is removed—and I work hard with couples to remove it—the couple’s capacity to appreciate each others’ experiences of each other often improves significantly.
Partners discover that, because the integrity of their personal experience is preservable, they can actually listen to each others’ experiences with more interest, curiosity and less defensiveness.
In marriages in which some goodwill remains, partners who buy into the model of validation I’m describing often find themselves striving for even more—that is, more than merely endeavoring to listen to each other more effectively, they often find themselves striving to make their partner’s experiences less frustrating and more satisfying.
Conversely, where no goodwill remains in the relationship, everything I’m discussing becomes pretty much moot. Narcissist or not, the marriage, with no goodwill left, is almost certainly dead. It’s just awfully difficult to recover goodwill in a relationship when the “goodwill tank” begins in the therapist’s office with the arrow on empty.
In any case, what happens in my office is often very interesting. The highly narcissistic and, in extreme cases, sociopathic client, cannot do what I’m discussing. Specifically, he is unable, with sincerity and effectiveness, to apply the model of validation I’ve described.
I suggested above the reason for this: he is simply too deeply, inflexibly invested in the significance, if not superiority, of his experience to make enough room for genuine interest in his partners’ experience, even after he’s been introduced to, and given ample time to digest, the proposed model of validation.
That is, this model of validation still falls well short of his demands. Sure, it’s nice that his partner is making efforts to recognize and appreciate his experience from his perspective. He’ll certainly take that, but he wants more than that.
Not surprisingly, what’s necessary—that is, what he still insists on and continues to demand—is his partner’s total capitulation to his way of seeing things.
This is the essence of his narcissism or, if you prefer, his deep, immutable self-centeredness.
Will these individuals show their cards immediately? More often than not, yes. More often than not, whether in my office or outside it (between therapy sessions), they’ll demonstrate, sooner than later, their inability to apply the kind of mutual validation under discussion.
But what about the smooth manipulator? It’s true that a smooth operator, a sociopath, for instance, can fake this process for some time, if he perceives it’s in his selfish interest to do so. (By “fake it,” I mean that he may seem to grasp it, apply it, and be invested in it.)
Yet, in my experience, even the manipulative individual masquerading as sensivitely invested in this form of validating communication, will almost always, sooner than later, reveal chinks in his mask; almost always, sooner than later, he’ll lapse into the highly self-centered attitudes and behaviors of the classic narcissist—attitudes and behaviors characterized by high, rationalized levels of under-accountability and non-transparency.
And so, while the slick manipulator may “get over” for a while, it’s usually not for long. That is, while he may present, initially, as reasonable, flexible and motivated, sooner than later his disguise will fray, revealing his true agenda in the forms of his usual presumptions and entitlement to ongoing gratification.
And so who is the salvageable partner? Narcissist or not, I’d venture to suggest he’s the partner capable of understanding, and appreciating, the concept of validation I propose.
He will be highly motivated to apply it, which is to say, willing to work hard, consistently and sustainedly at applying it; and, of course, he must be capable of applying it.
But the nice thing is, if he’s willing to work hard at it, he’ll definitely succeed.
In which case he won’t be a narcissist or, at the very least, his narcissism will prove to have been less extreme, and less emotionally crippling, than we might have feared.
(This article, the first of several impending articles on this subject, is copyrighted © 2010 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns in this article was purely for convenience’s sake. Females are also capable of the attitudes and behaviors discussed.)
little tonys mom, Hi, Hon! i know what you mean about wondering about being intimate with someone. One of my boss’s partner’s is a super guy and likes me a lot but I just don’t think that i’m at the point where i can give my whole self to another person. I hope that I’m not screwing myself, but he is so nice that it would not be fair to him to get involved right now. Remember, we are not spaths, we don’t want to hurt anyone. I’ve told him that it’s all my problems and what I’m working through..it has nothing to do with him.
You are ‘little tonys mom’…I think you should be very proud of being someones ‘Mom’, and work on it from there. Moms and Dads are the best! (((hugs)))
jazzy129,
Your dream sounded good to me, giving your ex-spath a whipping! Maybe, the inner you, is trying to express righteous anger, attempting to give the spath what he deserves, a good licking (your father helping you get the job done). Just a thought. I have to get off now. Good night.
Bluejay, you think so? Thanks for that. I see my therapist on Tuesday…I’m going to start the session with it! if I you didn’t say that, I might have repressed it because it’s not ‘proper’ to have feelings like that.
My therapist is very good, I think. he is a gentle man, and I like him very much. I promise that i will share here what he says.
You have given me a great charge and a smile….God Bless you and Keep you.
bullet, erin and style – on the topic of working this shite out on a physical level, i have to say, i love the image of pink gloves, that’s so great. you know, i used to run around the whole world trying to get away from having to feel the feelings that were hidden, stifled for so many years. i didn’t really realize that’s what i was doing, but that’s what it was. i thought i could find a new and happy life, far away from my original home (and I mean FAR) without ever having processed the traumas of my past. no deal. life might have set me up to take in a lot of crap as child, but now it’s for me to clean it up and clear it out. i don’t think that the good stuff, the stuff i really want for myself, can find a place in me, in my life, until i’ve cleared out a good amount of the crap. and yeah, that’s got to be a physical clearing as much as anything (and it turns into something spiritual and psychological – it all goes towards the same goal)…
bullet, i was hiking in the mountains once, and had a big walking stick with me. i felt i was all alone out there ( i like to go alone ) and i started beating up all the bushes on my trail with the stick. and i was cursing like a lunatic. after a bit a that, i felt sane. go figure. i think clearing this crap out is a huge part of the process, and i even enjoy letting anger out when it boils up.
my anger used to come out sideways, at people who didn’t deserve it, but just had touched on old wounds. now it comes out straight and direct, and it’s getting less and less strong. so that when someone or something pisses me off in my day to day life, or a memory of an old trauma percolates to the surface, i don’t instinctively blow up anymore. i don’t stifle it either. i handle it, and speak my peace or decide to drop it because it’s not worth the battle. either way, i think knowing that I can handle the emotions on the spot is good. all the same, blowing up like a volcano in private, hiking like a maniac up the tallest mountains i can find, spending time alone in nature, detoxing my whole system, and that kind of stuff lets me know that when the anger rises for whatever reason, there will be a way to express it without ever having to stifle it and pretend that it doesn’t exist ever again. it’s like a new life, or at least the beginning of one. it’s a new emotional life anyway, and that’s something big (b/c the old one was crap).
good luck bullet, i love that you had a breakthrough experience here. you sound like you found something you really really needed. i’m so happy for you.
xo, Psyche
p.s. i noticed that it’s a really good thing if you remove something toxic, to have something good to put in its place. step by step you get a whole new life…. that’s my best guess anyway, but it’s not like i’m actually there yet.
p.s. erin, you have new pink gloves, i have a new pink hoola hoop 😉
jazzy129, hey there! I just got home and read about your dream,
I would love to have a dream like that!!!!! 🙂
jazzy129
I think your dream IS your anger expressing itself in a very creative way, where better to let your anger out than in a dream!! My anger is very ugly. I am a nice person, but my anger is as fierce as any I’ve ever seen in a body…and I hear you when you say:
“Still unsure of this place”LF. Who’s going to hurt me now?”
If everyone was nice, and sweet and head patting it would possibly be a safer place (as in protecting a child from growing up by locking them in a room full of pillows and pretty things)
It is risky, because if someone rejects me for being really me and all that entails, it hurts like hell…….. if you dare…. truly dare to relate to yourself and others about this topic it WILL hurt, but like taking a splinter out of your foot, it will hurt but then it’s gone, truly expressed and truly released not shoved back down. it’s even riskier to be downright ugly angry, like a gargoyle and then to be rejected for that..because I know I am “off” I know somewhere I am a nasty energy, of course I am…and I need help…I need facilitation through it so I can complete the movement forward….. because it’s built up and if it doesnt come out as in DREAMS or words, then it just might go in and express itself in the soft tissues, so punching him in the face via your dad is genius!!! why ?? because you didn’t hurt anyone….you say it’s disturbing, but surely it’s your own relationship to your own anger that disturbs. IT DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE VIOLENT…it means you are human….I am more tolerant of my own anger since being responded to here, I can contain it where it does not belong only because…. because I wasn’t rejected for it, I felt total love for the people who were big enough in themselves to tolerate my edge, it was ultra helpful to have been accepted and not slapped on the wrist for it…it’s a very rich emotion when it flows…and if your anger starts to flow my advice would be to relate and engage here with it so you can experience that breakthrough…being accepted in your ugly stinking toxic rage is breakthrough..anger is not pretty, it’s hateful, it’s smart and sassy, it can come out sideways through a smile or a patronising statement….. I am guilty of all of it… and more dangerous when a lid is put on it….I let my anger roar loudly yesterday and I was scared of what was going to come out..I stomped around…walked for miles and by evening I was laughing outside with a neighbour…real belly laughs, because I LOVE that I can be ALL of what it is to be human…and I wasn’t rejected!!!! and I’m still a nice person…and getting fit at the same time…no one died…I’m trying to be honest…it’s the only way I’ll survive this.
little tonys mom
just watch the drinking, that’s the greatest metaphor of all drinking the poison…what was done to you, the abuse you now do to yourself through drinking the poison, I went through a phase of drinking too much early on because I just couldnt wake up to what happened the pain was too much. I gave it a time limit in my head…I said I’ll stop soon, it’s not working. I was still functioning well at work etc. but when I came home, that’s when the lonliness kicks in, and the wine came out..it was less than a bottle in an evening but I knew I was self medicating…numbing the pain….it kept the anger down!!! when I felt the anger rising, I’d swallow the poison to keep it where it was…in it’s box ….being intimate? oh no please don’t do it …you need to manage this first…just my opinion…hope you come back and keep putting words on whats happening you…no shame, you have been through hell, enough now…rebuild, gentle on yourself, sit with it and talk from there.
Psyche,erin, style, Kathy,Gem, shabby, blueskies, disappointed
Kathy, I will re-read all you say again. It’s very relevant for me and so uniquely helpful…I feel very understood, what a fabulous feel good feeling…the social minefield, is this blog…that’s why it’s such a great healing tool, i’m not used to being honest…I always felt ‘held back’ till now…
I’m realising how lucky I am to have free time, There is no way I could dive deeper into this if I was working, I had to ‘impression manage’ all the time….stifled, held back couldnt let it go full throttle…but I did here on LF! and it’s so coooool !!
I’m enjoying it now..(ever vigilant…could change) FREEDOM to be who I am…ALL of who I am…not everyone likes it…but one person staying with me in my darkest hour, changes it forever into something so much bigger and something so strong…Shabby you were the light in the dark with your funny little ramblings, there was something so innocent and personal in that for me, it reached in and just touched my soul…and there was no turning back…I’m going forward…marching angrily but It’s only an energy, not who I am…okay …time for a walk….bashing bushes with a walking stick, steepest mountains…brilliant!!! enjoyment! DETOX the whole system…it’s worth it, we owe it to ourselves xxxx
For some strange reason that I do not understand, I am afraid, wary, hesitant to post anywhere else except here…Since lashing out, I have stayed here…I dont want to leave here! I have not read any of the new posts even..??? I’m trusting it, it feels significant…ok….going!
bp – you are looking good standing over there in them big shoes. keep hiking. i envy that you are walking through. i was shut down here in a big way and haven’t really recovered yet. i am taking steps to address the shutdown though; just this week i have started.
Jazzy – I just want to acknowledge what you said about meeting someone nice and not being ‘ready’:)xx I met someone very nice, in the middle of all this, but I felt it was unfair to continue…he was really ready for settling down, had a great relationship with nieces and nephews and was late to starting a family of his own, had a great job, was pretty much everything I was ‘looking’ for when I met the spath.:( But i wasnt there any more. He deserved someone who was ‘with’ him… at least 50%! It was unfair. I hope I get there again, and I think I will…but untill then I have no wish to take someone on my horrible journey:(
xxxx