This is a big topic, and I fully intend to flesh it out in future posts. But allow me, here, to consider this question from the perspective of the work I do with couples. It is often surprisingly easy, from a couples therapy perspective, to weed out the narcissists from the non-narcissists; and more importantly, the salvageable from the unsalvageable narcissists.
Narcissists, as we know, will struggle to see things from their partners’ perspective. But let’s be clear: it is the reasons they struggle with this, not that they struggle with it, that signals their narcissism.
At the risk of oversimplifying, narcissists struggle to appreciate their partners’ perspective fundamentally because they are deeply self-centered; and their self-centeredness does not arise from a neuro-developmental disorder.
But why do narcissists struggle to see things from their partners’ perspective? Mainly, because to do so, in their experience, would concede the primacy—the overwhelming significance and importance—of their wants and needs.
For narcissistic personalities, the mere notion of others questioning the primacy of their experience is felt variously as insulting, outrageous, unacceptable, threatening and punishable.
In contrast, less narcissistic personalities are less threatened to consider their partners’ perspective, because they have a more equitable view of whose perspective matters. To be clear, for less narcissistic individuals, their perspective matters a lot, but their partners’ perspective also matters a lot.
But I want to be very clear: it’s not that less narcissistic personalities don’t take their own perspectives seriously, maybe even more seriously than their partners’; it’s just that they’re not inflexibly wedded to the idea that their experience—how they feel, how they think, what they want, what they need—is always, by definition, more important and valid than their partners’!
Believe it or not, this is a virtual litmus test for problem levels of narcissism. When I work with couples, I am interested to encourage, and then see, something very important. I’m interested to encourage, first of all, the idea that “validating” your partner’s experience is not the same as endorsing it, agreeing with it, or even, necessarily, fully understanding it.
And “validating” your partner’s experience certainly doesn’t obligate you to abandon your own, possibly very different perception of the situation.
And so I often discuss this model of validation with couples in some depth—especially, the idea that you can recognize your partner’s experience; be willing, interested and curious to appreciate, and better understand, your partner’s experience, from her perspective; and recognize the sanity and sense of your partner’s experience, again from her perspective, without any of this effort and interest requiring you to concede your own, and perhaps very different, experience of the situation.
As you can see, validating, in this model, is the process of recognizing your partner’s experience from her perspective. It is not a process, as noted, of necessarily agreeing with, or even fully understanding your partner; and most certainly—and I can’t stress this enough— it is not a contest of whose perceptions of any given situation are more accurate and right, versus less accurate and more wrong.
Many find this a liberating concept, as it can allow for a relaxation of a common and unhelpful defense: I can’t validate what you’re saying or feeling, because to do so would effectively invalidate my experience.
In other words, from the perspective I’m describing, it’s possible—indeed, with motivation and practice, surpisingly easy—to validate another’s experience without in the least invalidating your own. In fact, this is a model of validation that’s relatively easy to practice because it respects the integrity of one’s own perceptions and experiences.
Once the need for the above defense is removed—and I work hard with couples to remove it—the couple’s capacity to appreciate each others’ experiences of each other often improves significantly.
Partners discover that, because the integrity of their personal experience is preservable, they can actually listen to each others’ experiences with more interest, curiosity and less defensiveness.
In marriages in which some goodwill remains, partners who buy into the model of validation I’m describing often find themselves striving for even more—that is, more than merely endeavoring to listen to each other more effectively, they often find themselves striving to make their partner’s experiences less frustrating and more satisfying.
Conversely, where no goodwill remains in the relationship, everything I’m discussing becomes pretty much moot. Narcissist or not, the marriage, with no goodwill left, is almost certainly dead. It’s just awfully difficult to recover goodwill in a relationship when the “goodwill tank” begins in the therapist’s office with the arrow on empty.
In any case, what happens in my office is often very interesting. The highly narcissistic and, in extreme cases, sociopathic client, cannot do what I’m discussing. Specifically, he is unable, with sincerity and effectiveness, to apply the model of validation I’ve described.
I suggested above the reason for this: he is simply too deeply, inflexibly invested in the significance, if not superiority, of his experience to make enough room for genuine interest in his partners’ experience, even after he’s been introduced to, and given ample time to digest, the proposed model of validation.
That is, this model of validation still falls well short of his demands. Sure, it’s nice that his partner is making efforts to recognize and appreciate his experience from his perspective. He’ll certainly take that, but he wants more than that.
Not surprisingly, what’s necessary—that is, what he still insists on and continues to demand—is his partner’s total capitulation to his way of seeing things.
This is the essence of his narcissism or, if you prefer, his deep, immutable self-centeredness.
Will these individuals show their cards immediately? More often than not, yes. More often than not, whether in my office or outside it (between therapy sessions), they’ll demonstrate, sooner than later, their inability to apply the kind of mutual validation under discussion.
But what about the smooth manipulator? It’s true that a smooth operator, a sociopath, for instance, can fake this process for some time, if he perceives it’s in his selfish interest to do so. (By “fake it,” I mean that he may seem to grasp it, apply it, and be invested in it.)
Yet, in my experience, even the manipulative individual masquerading as sensivitely invested in this form of validating communication, will almost always, sooner than later, reveal chinks in his mask; almost always, sooner than later, he’ll lapse into the highly self-centered attitudes and behaviors of the classic narcissist—attitudes and behaviors characterized by high, rationalized levels of under-accountability and non-transparency.
And so, while the slick manipulator may “get over” for a while, it’s usually not for long. That is, while he may present, initially, as reasonable, flexible and motivated, sooner than later his disguise will fray, revealing his true agenda in the forms of his usual presumptions and entitlement to ongoing gratification.
And so who is the salvageable partner? Narcissist or not, I’d venture to suggest he’s the partner capable of understanding, and appreciating, the concept of validation I propose.
He will be highly motivated to apply it, which is to say, willing to work hard, consistently and sustainedly at applying it; and, of course, he must be capable of applying it.
But the nice thing is, if he’s willing to work hard at it, he’ll definitely succeed.
In which case he won’t be a narcissist or, at the very least, his narcissism will prove to have been less extreme, and less emotionally crippling, than we might have feared.
(This article, the first of several impending articles on this subject, is copyrighted © 2010 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns in this article was purely for convenience’s sake. Females are also capable of the attitudes and behaviors discussed.)
LOL….yeah…..that’s it….Causticalicious…..
Another book title….
How to be Causticalicious divorcing a spath.
As I drove home on Sat night…….the moon was soooo cool! It hung soooo low, like you could reach out and touch it.
Thought of you dear!!!!
We need to do our full moon connection again.
I have to say though…..there are certain things that remind me (in my real life) of peeps here…..You the moon….Rosa….my tunes!
Desperate housewives – they have screwed everybody and their brother on hysteria lane . I got burned out on that show long ago but it is a well done show. I cant watch too much news or I get depressed and anxious, this oil spill is still gushing, the effect’s will be here for eternity..
You know who disappeared is Witty.
I hope she’s okay…..summer is here and I bet Jr moved back….I hope she’s okay…..I miss her insights.
Did Rosa POOF?
Yes, Erin Brock, I’m a local…not an Aussie.
Good night everyone!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_wFEB4Oxlo
P.S. I miss Witsend, too. I will search for “Moon River”…..a cheeky version or something.
Well It’s pumpkin time for me..POOF~! the moon is nice tonite erin…
Night guys….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRCgueckAXE
DancingWarrior
Well done. Give him enough rope and hopefully he will hang himself. You did well to keep composure under such appalling circumstances, when love of your life is now trying to destroy your reputation..it’s a paradox made in hell…no choice but to feel the gnawing anger, and I hear it when you say beautifully:
I could claw his face off when he stood in front of me for a moment.
I understand the feeling. I know what you mean. It’s the nearest thing to being as evil as the P, that feeling of entire hate that he could do this to you, after all you have been through with him.
if I was to describe the hatred I feel towards the P, it would be laser beam red hot and totally channeled at him. I would not like to be at the receiving end of it.
It’s also the first stirrings of a survival instinct that is SO STRONG in me, energy that is rising at the moment is instinctual rage and no matter where he is in this world, he will ‘know’ it at some level…and dare he set a toe back in my direction..we will see what happens..I could dedicate my life to bringing him down but instead I am going to dedicate my life to bringing me back up and leave him in the gathering violence of his own misery.
Keep talking, keep the venom in an outward motion, get it out of your system and enjoy finding the words that do just that…you sound great in the post, level headed, learning and competent!!!
Hello all,
After his mud slinging, he calls the house late last night. I expected daughter calling from camp, as soon as I herd his voice automatic “click” hang up.
Then somehow the machine is recording his voice, and I quickly grabbed cords to unplug. Started saying “have daughter’s emergency n..”
Act aggressively toward me, lie, then call me?
Here is an email from him–oblivious to any harm he has intended and caused me in court–
It is insane. Whack a person over the head, then tell them how much you care and want to be nice.
Please see what he writes:
“Please understand that I respect your wishes and will not cross your emotional boundary. I also care about you, and I am afraid that there is much emotional damage being done that may not be necessary. Our attorneys will not help with that. They were hired to do the legal job of divorce, and that is what they will do that no matter how much damage is done to us and Daughter in the process. This sad time will pass but our remaining lifetime will be affected by it. I cannot deny the depth of emotion and feeling that I harbor from all our years together, and it is important for me to try to salvage as much of the good memories of our life together as possible and wish you happiness as we try to move on.
I believe we are really very close to a legal settlement but we seem to need to make some adjustments that we can both live with. Please consider the option of meeting for a four way discussion with our Attorneys to work out the pertinent practical matters relating to the parts of our life that overlap, like Daughter and whatever financial matters remain. I hope you agree that this would be best. “