This is a big topic, and I fully intend to flesh it out in future posts. But allow me, here, to consider this question from the perspective of the work I do with couples. It is often surprisingly easy, from a couples therapy perspective, to weed out the narcissists from the non-narcissists; and more importantly, the salvageable from the unsalvageable narcissists.
Narcissists, as we know, will struggle to see things from their partners’ perspective. But let’s be clear: it is the reasons they struggle with this, not that they struggle with it, that signals their narcissism.
At the risk of oversimplifying, narcissists struggle to appreciate their partners’ perspective fundamentally because they are deeply self-centered; and their self-centeredness does not arise from a neuro-developmental disorder.
But why do narcissists struggle to see things from their partners’ perspective? Mainly, because to do so, in their experience, would concede the primacy—the overwhelming significance and importance—of their wants and needs.
For narcissistic personalities, the mere notion of others questioning the primacy of their experience is felt variously as insulting, outrageous, unacceptable, threatening and punishable.
In contrast, less narcissistic personalities are less threatened to consider their partners’ perspective, because they have a more equitable view of whose perspective matters. To be clear, for less narcissistic individuals, their perspective matters a lot, but their partners’ perspective also matters a lot.
But I want to be very clear: it’s not that less narcissistic personalities don’t take their own perspectives seriously, maybe even more seriously than their partners’; it’s just that they’re not inflexibly wedded to the idea that their experience—how they feel, how they think, what they want, what they need—is always, by definition, more important and valid than their partners’!
Believe it or not, this is a virtual litmus test for problem levels of narcissism. When I work with couples, I am interested to encourage, and then see, something very important. I’m interested to encourage, first of all, the idea that “validating” your partner’s experience is not the same as endorsing it, agreeing with it, or even, necessarily, fully understanding it.
And “validating” your partner’s experience certainly doesn’t obligate you to abandon your own, possibly very different perception of the situation.
And so I often discuss this model of validation with couples in some depth—especially, the idea that you can recognize your partner’s experience; be willing, interested and curious to appreciate, and better understand, your partner’s experience, from her perspective; and recognize the sanity and sense of your partner’s experience, again from her perspective, without any of this effort and interest requiring you to concede your own, and perhaps very different, experience of the situation.
As you can see, validating, in this model, is the process of recognizing your partner’s experience from her perspective. It is not a process, as noted, of necessarily agreeing with, or even fully understanding your partner; and most certainly—and I can’t stress this enough— it is not a contest of whose perceptions of any given situation are more accurate and right, versus less accurate and more wrong.
Many find this a liberating concept, as it can allow for a relaxation of a common and unhelpful defense: I can’t validate what you’re saying or feeling, because to do so would effectively invalidate my experience.
In other words, from the perspective I’m describing, it’s possible—indeed, with motivation and practice, surpisingly easy—to validate another’s experience without in the least invalidating your own. In fact, this is a model of validation that’s relatively easy to practice because it respects the integrity of one’s own perceptions and experiences.
Once the need for the above defense is removed—and I work hard with couples to remove it—the couple’s capacity to appreciate each others’ experiences of each other often improves significantly.
Partners discover that, because the integrity of their personal experience is preservable, they can actually listen to each others’ experiences with more interest, curiosity and less defensiveness.
In marriages in which some goodwill remains, partners who buy into the model of validation I’m describing often find themselves striving for even more—that is, more than merely endeavoring to listen to each other more effectively, they often find themselves striving to make their partner’s experiences less frustrating and more satisfying.
Conversely, where no goodwill remains in the relationship, everything I’m discussing becomes pretty much moot. Narcissist or not, the marriage, with no goodwill left, is almost certainly dead. It’s just awfully difficult to recover goodwill in a relationship when the “goodwill tank” begins in the therapist’s office with the arrow on empty.
In any case, what happens in my office is often very interesting. The highly narcissistic and, in extreme cases, sociopathic client, cannot do what I’m discussing. Specifically, he is unable, with sincerity and effectiveness, to apply the model of validation I’ve described.
I suggested above the reason for this: he is simply too deeply, inflexibly invested in the significance, if not superiority, of his experience to make enough room for genuine interest in his partners’ experience, even after he’s been introduced to, and given ample time to digest, the proposed model of validation.
That is, this model of validation still falls well short of his demands. Sure, it’s nice that his partner is making efforts to recognize and appreciate his experience from his perspective. He’ll certainly take that, but he wants more than that.
Not surprisingly, what’s necessary—that is, what he still insists on and continues to demand—is his partner’s total capitulation to his way of seeing things.
This is the essence of his narcissism or, if you prefer, his deep, immutable self-centeredness.
Will these individuals show their cards immediately? More often than not, yes. More often than not, whether in my office or outside it (between therapy sessions), they’ll demonstrate, sooner than later, their inability to apply the kind of mutual validation under discussion.
But what about the smooth manipulator? It’s true that a smooth operator, a sociopath, for instance, can fake this process for some time, if he perceives it’s in his selfish interest to do so. (By “fake it,” I mean that he may seem to grasp it, apply it, and be invested in it.)
Yet, in my experience, even the manipulative individual masquerading as sensivitely invested in this form of validating communication, will almost always, sooner than later, reveal chinks in his mask; almost always, sooner than later, he’ll lapse into the highly self-centered attitudes and behaviors of the classic narcissist—attitudes and behaviors characterized by high, rationalized levels of under-accountability and non-transparency.
And so, while the slick manipulator may “get over” for a while, it’s usually not for long. That is, while he may present, initially, as reasonable, flexible and motivated, sooner than later his disguise will fray, revealing his true agenda in the forms of his usual presumptions and entitlement to ongoing gratification.
And so who is the salvageable partner? Narcissist or not, I’d venture to suggest he’s the partner capable of understanding, and appreciating, the concept of validation I propose.
He will be highly motivated to apply it, which is to say, willing to work hard, consistently and sustainedly at applying it; and, of course, he must be capable of applying it.
But the nice thing is, if he’s willing to work hard at it, he’ll definitely succeed.
In which case he won’t be a narcissist or, at the very least, his narcissism will prove to have been less extreme, and less emotionally crippling, than we might have feared.
(This article, the first of several impending articles on this subject, is copyrighted © 2010 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns in this article was purely for convenience’s sake. Females are also capable of the attitudes and behaviors discussed.)
bulletproof,
Like you, I have experienced every emotion (I swear to God) that a person can feel toward another human being (namely, the h-spath), still being p.o.’d by the unfairness of it all. The way my whole life was swallowed up by his crap, coming apart at the seams, then trying to hold it together. I question why I ended up married to one of these people, not deserving any of his abuse. You talk about rage, I am still in a state of anger. My mind is still blown away, finding all of our combined stories unspeakably sad.
DancingWarrior,
Yes, the sociopath will never acknowledge how he has hurt you, own up to all of his misdeeds, admit his guilt over anything. It boggles my mind and ticks me off. We all put up with a lot of craziness (for various reasons), in the end, reaching the same conclusion – our loved one is a sociopath, clearly exhibiting characteristics of the disorder, being unable to “fix” him/her. It is hearbreaking.
Financial affidavit my lawyer has been using is a DRAFT from last year working with mediator. Purpose was to make him pay c.s. back then and the DRAFT was a general idea of income/expenses.
Masters hearing already made a recommendation, based on ROUGH, DRAFT financial affidavit my lawyer has for me.
Is this bad?
I told lawyer I’ll get accurate figures to make affidavit FINAL. Still haven’t seen any documentation from H about his bank/charge statements, still dn’t know our joint net worth.
OVERWHELMED. I feel so retarded–looking through my cc statements, counting up food, gas, clothing, etc monthly expenses, each time I add it up it comes out different. I never know which number is right!
How should I pore over cc statements and sort out all expenses? So all food for a few months, then all gas for a few month, etc, and then get an average figure?
I think this is essential to show what it really costs me to live and what I need to keep a similar lifestyle, yes?
P.S.
What exactly should I be looking for on tax returns?
I am so bad with numbers. Had only one year of math in h.s. (:
DW
OVERWHELMED !! of course you are, slow it down a notch,You are doing things you have never done before so take your time, I think you are great asking for help, doing your best, saying how you feel. Like a child learning to walk, you dont call them names if they fall, you encourage them to try again, and I would like to extend my encouragment to you to keep going, your doing fine.
Not having a clue about taxes or numbers myself I won’t advise you, but what you say about showing what it really costs to LIVE and needing to keep a similar lifestyle sounds bang on…take breaks, have cups of tea, you are doing things for yourself now, it will feel strange, but you are adjusting to a more updated version of who you really are….and that’s great!
bluejay
oh it feels so good to hear someone feels the anger too! yes mind blowing is a good description. I am so out of kilter I don’t know what I should be doing, I would say I am paralysed with rage at some level..I just keep getting flashes of MORE things he did, said that in hindsight were red flags, and I just go DAMN why didnt I read the signs….I wanted to believe him, isnt that what loving people do with eachother? don’t you give them chances to prove themselves, Don’t you help them forward? he exploited all my kindness, looted and pillaged and then dumped me without an eye blink…
I’m STILL open mouthed, I’m standing in the spot kind of looking at the tumbleweed blowing through where he once was!! my body does not understand…what happened? was it a crazy nightmare, did I imagine the whole thing….no…my bank account tells me it was very real…
The P took off with my heart, my money and worst of all my whole notion of what the world was…it’s gone…and maybe it HAD to go if I’m to grow spiritually, that’s the last hope I have, that somehow this journey is a baptism of fire and we come out…differently…for a reason?? grapple grapple….thanks bluejay, I don’t feel as alone now…we are in this together…thanks and have a good day!
bulletproof,
You are not alone, being able to FULLY sympathise with you. My h-spath proved to me that he is a criminal, having experienced it all. I won’t go into details but there was financial abuse (eg., monetary gifts given to me that he stole, etc.). For me, I was flabbergasted, not believing that my own h-spath could be such a low-life. He always had a story to cover his tracks. What disturbs me is that his family members had an inkling what he was like before we “tied the knot,” not having the decency to warn me. I’ve told a couple of his relatives (who divulged some secrets to me) that I wish I had known how he was before I married him because I would have put the brakes on marrying him. They had their excuses for staying quiet,”I thought he’d change…”; “Oh, he was so in love with you…”; “Oh, you would have wanted to fix him…” They can go on with their lives, never having experienced the turmoil that I have faced and am facing. For years, I lived with constant anxiety (everyday occurrence). To top it off, I some how feel responsible for how he is (needing to undo this thinking – he was already a spath before I ever met him) – when he screws up, he doesn’t care, but I do. He’s a knucklehead. His schenanigans affect his immediate family and he’s too much of a blockhead to realize it. So, I am angry, having to forgive anyone and everyone (including myself) who contributed to this lifetime drama. What other posters have written about how to deal with the anger (eg., yelling into a pillow, writing pages of feelings, etc.) is helpful. Like you, my world view has been affected, not being so naive and trustworthy, also being through ASSUMING anything about anybody. Actions speak louder than words.
bluejay
yes it’s sickening isn’t it, the amount of people who knew what he was like and said nothing. I got the same excuses from his sister (the only one who seemed to fully comprehend the heinous nature of his lies) she thought well maybe this time…and she thought I wouldn’t listen. There were looks, there was tension, conversation was stilted between him and her…they didn’t like eachother…but I put it down to sibling rivalry…
knucklehead, blockhead are words I’d also use to describe the P he would do things that I couldn’t do, but because we were a “couple” and it must be multiplied by a thousand if you are married…insideous and toxic…he drove me round the proverbial bend, he set me on edge, he lied and lied and lied, and promised things he couldn’t in a million years deliver…THAT was the problem…broken promises equals terrible stress.
He saw my empathy as an illness that frustrated his “progress”if I looked worried, he would act all exasperated as if I was a total crazy biotch, if I complained he called me a complainer…he really stuck the knife in psychologically, thank God not physically….but I wouldn’t put it past him to do it.
If there were no laws (which he ascribes to,being an anarchist/atheist) he would’ve just killed me I guess he would see it as putting me out of my misery, probably cleanly, no mess. He hated mess, emotions and human frailty. Thanks for drawing this poison out, so I can put it down,outside myself for brief moments…wish you miracles and blessings as you deal with the ‘fallout’ of a human monster that masquerades as human…husband or not.
bulletproof,
What you experienced was hard on you. You gave and he took. They are deceptively normal – by the time you figure out that you’ve been had, the damage has been done. You’re dealing with the fallout of a spath too. I wish you miracles and blessings today, tomorrow, and…
I welcome every miracle and blessing out there to come to our collective aid…yes yes yes!!! let it be..let us learn the lessons, see the bigger picture and move towards Joy in our lives. Amen
Hey all,
Worked on fin. affidavit all day–my eyes are ppping out of my head poring through cc sttements w/tiny letters.
Fingers crossed when i put it all in a table I’ll have a complete picture of living expenses.
Then what? Do I analyze his expenses the way I did mine to see if I challenge anything?