This is a big topic, and I fully intend to flesh it out in future posts. But allow me, here, to consider this question from the perspective of the work I do with couples. It is often surprisingly easy, from a couples therapy perspective, to weed out the narcissists from the non-narcissists; and more importantly, the salvageable from the unsalvageable narcissists.
Narcissists, as we know, will struggle to see things from their partners’ perspective. But let’s be clear: it is the reasons they struggle with this, not that they struggle with it, that signals their narcissism.
At the risk of oversimplifying, narcissists struggle to appreciate their partners’ perspective fundamentally because they are deeply self-centered; and their self-centeredness does not arise from a neuro-developmental disorder.
But why do narcissists struggle to see things from their partners’ perspective? Mainly, because to do so, in their experience, would concede the primacy—the overwhelming significance and importance—of their wants and needs.
For narcissistic personalities, the mere notion of others questioning the primacy of their experience is felt variously as insulting, outrageous, unacceptable, threatening and punishable.
In contrast, less narcissistic personalities are less threatened to consider their partners’ perspective, because they have a more equitable view of whose perspective matters. To be clear, for less narcissistic individuals, their perspective matters a lot, but their partners’ perspective also matters a lot.
But I want to be very clear: it’s not that less narcissistic personalities don’t take their own perspectives seriously, maybe even more seriously than their partners’; it’s just that they’re not inflexibly wedded to the idea that their experience—how they feel, how they think, what they want, what they need—is always, by definition, more important and valid than their partners’!
Believe it or not, this is a virtual litmus test for problem levels of narcissism. When I work with couples, I am interested to encourage, and then see, something very important. I’m interested to encourage, first of all, the idea that “validating” your partner’s experience is not the same as endorsing it, agreeing with it, or even, necessarily, fully understanding it.
And “validating” your partner’s experience certainly doesn’t obligate you to abandon your own, possibly very different perception of the situation.
And so I often discuss this model of validation with couples in some depth—especially, the idea that you can recognize your partner’s experience; be willing, interested and curious to appreciate, and better understand, your partner’s experience, from her perspective; and recognize the sanity and sense of your partner’s experience, again from her perspective, without any of this effort and interest requiring you to concede your own, and perhaps very different, experience of the situation.
As you can see, validating, in this model, is the process of recognizing your partner’s experience from her perspective. It is not a process, as noted, of necessarily agreeing with, or even fully understanding your partner; and most certainly—and I can’t stress this enough— it is not a contest of whose perceptions of any given situation are more accurate and right, versus less accurate and more wrong.
Many find this a liberating concept, as it can allow for a relaxation of a common and unhelpful defense: I can’t validate what you’re saying or feeling, because to do so would effectively invalidate my experience.
In other words, from the perspective I’m describing, it’s possible—indeed, with motivation and practice, surpisingly easy—to validate another’s experience without in the least invalidating your own. In fact, this is a model of validation that’s relatively easy to practice because it respects the integrity of one’s own perceptions and experiences.
Once the need for the above defense is removed—and I work hard with couples to remove it—the couple’s capacity to appreciate each others’ experiences of each other often improves significantly.
Partners discover that, because the integrity of their personal experience is preservable, they can actually listen to each others’ experiences with more interest, curiosity and less defensiveness.
In marriages in which some goodwill remains, partners who buy into the model of validation I’m describing often find themselves striving for even more—that is, more than merely endeavoring to listen to each other more effectively, they often find themselves striving to make their partner’s experiences less frustrating and more satisfying.
Conversely, where no goodwill remains in the relationship, everything I’m discussing becomes pretty much moot. Narcissist or not, the marriage, with no goodwill left, is almost certainly dead. It’s just awfully difficult to recover goodwill in a relationship when the “goodwill tank” begins in the therapist’s office with the arrow on empty.
In any case, what happens in my office is often very interesting. The highly narcissistic and, in extreme cases, sociopathic client, cannot do what I’m discussing. Specifically, he is unable, with sincerity and effectiveness, to apply the model of validation I’ve described.
I suggested above the reason for this: he is simply too deeply, inflexibly invested in the significance, if not superiority, of his experience to make enough room for genuine interest in his partners’ experience, even after he’s been introduced to, and given ample time to digest, the proposed model of validation.
That is, this model of validation still falls well short of his demands. Sure, it’s nice that his partner is making efforts to recognize and appreciate his experience from his perspective. He’ll certainly take that, but he wants more than that.
Not surprisingly, what’s necessary—that is, what he still insists on and continues to demand—is his partner’s total capitulation to his way of seeing things.
This is the essence of his narcissism or, if you prefer, his deep, immutable self-centeredness.
Will these individuals show their cards immediately? More often than not, yes. More often than not, whether in my office or outside it (between therapy sessions), they’ll demonstrate, sooner than later, their inability to apply the kind of mutual validation under discussion.
But what about the smooth manipulator? It’s true that a smooth operator, a sociopath, for instance, can fake this process for some time, if he perceives it’s in his selfish interest to do so. (By “fake it,” I mean that he may seem to grasp it, apply it, and be invested in it.)
Yet, in my experience, even the manipulative individual masquerading as sensivitely invested in this form of validating communication, will almost always, sooner than later, reveal chinks in his mask; almost always, sooner than later, he’ll lapse into the highly self-centered attitudes and behaviors of the classic narcissist—attitudes and behaviors characterized by high, rationalized levels of under-accountability and non-transparency.
And so, while the slick manipulator may “get over” for a while, it’s usually not for long. That is, while he may present, initially, as reasonable, flexible and motivated, sooner than later his disguise will fray, revealing his true agenda in the forms of his usual presumptions and entitlement to ongoing gratification.
And so who is the salvageable partner? Narcissist or not, I’d venture to suggest he’s the partner capable of understanding, and appreciating, the concept of validation I propose.
He will be highly motivated to apply it, which is to say, willing to work hard, consistently and sustainedly at applying it; and, of course, he must be capable of applying it.
But the nice thing is, if he’s willing to work hard at it, he’ll definitely succeed.
In which case he won’t be a narcissist or, at the very least, his narcissism will prove to have been less extreme, and less emotionally crippling, than we might have feared.
(This article, the first of several impending articles on this subject, is copyrighted © 2010 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns in this article was purely for convenience’s sake. Females are also capable of the attitudes and behaviors discussed.)
I was thinking, that scene in ‘Good Will Hunting’ where Robin Williams says to Matt Damon, “It’s not your fault.” And Matt says something like, “Yeah, I know man,” to try to stop the conversation. But the doctor keeps on getting closer and closer and making Matt defend himself and get angrier and angrier until he breaks through his grief and shame. That’s the most moving scene of any movie I can think of.
Verity, Yeah, I love that movie.
I have some of the same issues surrounding sex, and at this point, I can’t even imagine myself being sexual with anyone. I’m 51 and have struggled with it all my life, and I just don’t want to deal with it anymore.
Iv’e been in three bad relationships that made me feel objectified and used…emotional black-mail and manipulation, pressure constantly…Ah no. I’ll pass. Is that shame related? I don’t know.
Just wanted to say I’m sorry you are having to struggle with it, and hope you find your answers.
Hi Kim, thanks for that. At 48 I feel the same as you. I know now that I probably haven’t ever had a healthy relationship with sex and for now I don’t want to go there again.
I’m sorry you have had these issues too, and have been with men who made you feel that way. I guess you’re protecting yourself against further hurt — it’s certainly not shame you should be carrying. Maybe one day there’ll be a man who brings out the best in you and makes you feel safe. I’m not holding my breath either … life is just fine without that aspect right now. Easier, cleaner. I’m working to regain my dignity. Lost it spectacularly.
Verity,
Your post:
I have a great rape book I’m working through because I was emotionally, and in a way physically, raped (sex with an addict sometimes feels like rape)
OMG… you are so right! Sex does feel like rape with an addict! I would actually feel physical pain afterwards. What validation for me. There is another woman who felt the same!!! Thanks so much for your post!
soimnotthecrazee1!
Imnotcrazee, hi and thank you too. So glad my post validated you. I’ve spoken to other members of lf who’ve had the same experience, and on narcissist sites too. It’s the lack of affection, kissing, touching … I ended up so dissasociated I was physically fighting him. Trouble is, I was hooked because of the old neural pathways. It’s hard to explain. I just wish he’d been able to see that what we were doing wasn’t healthy at all. I’d cry and cry and tell him he didn’t love me. I needed him to be responsible and stop, but he just made the most of it and insisted that he DID love me, but was with other woman at the same time. I kind of imploded.
The Emotional Rape Syndrome by Michael Fox is validating, and the book I have, which has exercises to do which I find helpful, is Resurrection After Rape by Matt Atkinson and it’s also free online because Matt’s passion is helping people to heal. He is a lovely man.
http://resurrectionafterrape.org/RARFree.pdf
verity – thanks for the titles and the link.
i think rape may be the only metaphor (as far as others are concerned it’s a metaphor) that i can use to get through to people…so that they have some way of processing what happened to me, and the aftermath.
I call it emotional rape. The Internet is the perfect venue for these predators. Beware of the charming stranger you meet on dating site who seems perfect.
Verity,
Thanks for the link. My xspath was addicted to porno so bad that he had literally ruined hisself. I lost my dignity too, that must be where the feeling of being “dirty” (not clean came from). I couldn’t take enough showers, brush my teeth enough, clean the house enough. I felt dirty and ashamed. What a horrible mental place it was. Thank you so much!
Notcrazee1!
One_step, yeah … it’s not a metaphor, I know. Messing with someone’s reality and thoughts IS soul rape. Glad I could provide links. I’m aware of taking more than I give but maybe now I’m feeling a lot better I can help more. I had to get through the steaming anger first, cos I was getting too triggered even reading.
Imnotcrazee, I’ve lived with that feeling of being filthy all my life, and think it became a self-fulfilling prophecy. I didn’t take enough care of myself or my surroundings. Didn’t think I was worth it. The narcissist mirrored that for me and the rest is history. Yes, I felt like bleaching myself inside. The interesting thing is that I think he had the same problem, but pushed it OUTSIDE of himself, so that everything BUT him was filthy. Perfectionist, fastidious. I didn’t have any stds until he came along though.
Verity,
Wow!! How the feeling of being raped affects us. My xspath is a filthy hoarding porno addicted pig. I am the opposite I am more the perfectionist, fastidious, orgnaizer etc. I think he wanted me to “fix” his life like mine was. Clean, pristine etc and I worked hard at having my life that way. The spath took that away from me and brought me to lowest of all time lows in life. Couldn’t get him to discard or throw away anything (except for true garbage)!!! Couldn’t get him to organize anything or allow me to. OMG…. what a mess that house was with him.
Thanks for sharing!
Soimnotthecrazee1!!!
I remember feeling totally discounted by my x hub, feeling hurt and angry, invisable and voiceless, totally unimportant, and he’d start pushing for sex. Pressure, pressure, insults, demands, fault-finding, etc. etc. etc.
Crying after sex. Doing it even though I didn’t want to just to get some peace for a few days. Never again! That is probably the main reason I’m afraid to even think about having a relationship, again.