It can be pretty tricky navigating the continuum of narcissistically disturbed individuals, attempting to separate the salvageables from the unsalvageables. Yet, there are two awfully basic, interrelated questions that can help you cut to the chase, and guide your decision to keep going, or cut bait.
Here they are:
1) Is your partner someone who genuinely recognizes he has a problem respecting you?
2) If he genuinely recognizes this, then does he have the genuine motivation to confront his disrespectful behaviors and attitudes (be they chronic or episodic; devastating in their impact or more quietly, gradually corrosive of your goodwill)?
Ultimately, it comes down to these separate, yet related, questions.
If the answer to either of them proves no, or probably not, then it’s boogie on out of the relationship time. If the answer to both questions proves yes, or probably yes (and it must be “yes!” to both questions!), then you have a basis to hope for improvement in the quality of the relationship.
But wait a second! I hear the shrieks! “How do you evaluate how genuine someone is, especially a manipulative personality?”
Well, the truth is, it’s difficult to assess how “genuine” someone is, on any level, no less a really good manipulator. But you must still make this assessment in an ongoing fashion, and you must make it without certainty of its accuracy.
Now, we always need to be clear about this: Sometimes, when you are dealing with a sociopath tremendously skilled at dissimulation (as a great many sociopaths are), it may be impossible to bust him before he’s had the chance to wreak terrible, longstanding and long-lasting levels of destruction. God knows this is too often the case. Of course, Donna Anderson in her upcoming book will arm her readers with incredible tools to do precisely this—bust these harder-to-bust sociopathic types.
But in many cases, more than one thinks, partners can be flushed-out for lacking true recognition of their disrespectful behaviors and the true motivation to modify them.
Of course I can’t stress sufficiently that it’s not enough to flush these individuals out: once flushed out, you need to be willing to overcome defenses like denial and pathological hope to heed the red flags you’ve identified. (I’m going to write about what I call pathological hope in my next article. I see it as a defense mechanism that can be almost as self-destructive as the sociopath can be destructive.)
So what are we really looking for here? What do we really need to see? Yes, we are looking for recognition, but most of all we are looking for change. Recognition without change is ultimately useless, a big tease.
And we are looking not for signs of small, itty bitty changes, but real, durable, meaningful, yes big changes. If the changes are too subtle, too slow in coming, too contingent on things like his “moods,” or the alignment of the stars, or if they’re subject to “relapses” of any sort (and especially rationalized relapses), then”¦bzzzzzz”¦.it’s time to send him back to the dugout, permanently, to sit his a** on the bench with his fellow underperformers.
Why do I emphasize big changes and downplay small, subtle changes?
Because we are talking about a big problem, and big problems, on which the quality, integrity and perhaps even safety of your life literally depend, demand big changes. The evidence of the commitment to these changes needs to be absolutely unmistakable; but again I repeat: the key thing is less the evidence of such recognition than the evidence of the changes!
Let me give a small, somewhat tangential but, at least, one specific example of what I’m saying. Let’s say you’ve been feeling disrespected by your partner and for you this is a very serious problem. You’ve been feeling variously misunderstood, blown off, violated, neglected, abused, mistrustful; feeling, let’s say, relegated to a hurtfully low priority in your partner’s world.
In a word, you aren’t feeling respected, and this has become, for you, a serious problem that you share with him. You request that he join you for couples counseling to address your, and perhaps his, concerns?
His answer is “no.”
Well, the answer, “No,” to your request for his participation in couples therapy, is a “You just struck out, pal” answer. That’s a damning, indictable answer. “No” is a virtual affirmation of what you’ve shared with him you’ve been experiencing—his disregard of you and the relationship.
“No” is an utterly lame answer, especially if you’ve requested his participation in couples counseling in a non-belligerent, sincere, and utterly serious fashion.
“No” is tantamount to declaring officially, “I am uninvested in this relationship.”
It may come in countless forms, among them:
“You’re unhappy, that’s your problem.”
“Go get help yourself.”
“I don’t need help. You’re the one with the complaints.”
“Nothing makes you happy. You are insatiable.”
“It’s pointless”¦seriously, get your own sh*t together first and then let’s talk.”
These, and countless similar responses, which blame you and exculpate him, while simultaneously affirming his perspective of the relationship not as a unity or partnership but more as a “sole proprietorship—¦these kinds of responses tell you all you need to know.
But now let’s say he says “yes,” and joins you in couples therapy. That’s nice. If he’s a sociopath, as I’ve written previously, you will hope the therapist will be shrewd enough to know that he, the therapist, is dealing with a sociopath. Because sociopaths do not belong in couples therapy. But for purposes of this argument, let’s imagine he’s not a full-blown sociopath.
In any case, as I’ve been suggesting, it is the evidence, ultimately, that will tell the tale.
He will either change meaningfully and permanently, and begin making these changes in earnest, very soon; or, he won’t.
He may or may not talk the talk effectively, persuasively. But if he doesn’t walk the walk and maintain the walk, you will have gotten your answer.
Walking the walk doesn’t mean it’s necessarily onesided; you too may have changes to make on your end. Nobody’s perfect, and even if you’re involved with a salvageable jerk (the best case scenario and hope), that doesn’t mean you too don’t have room to make some changes.
But let’s not kid ourselves, or let him kid us. If he isn’t motivated to leave you feeling more fulfilled, loved, respected and less neglected; if there isn’t evidence of his sincere desire to do this, and evidence of his willingness to work hard at doing this, and finally, evidence of his success at doing this, well then again”¦.we have our answers.
And let me repeat this point: the changes need to be sustained. Transitory changes made from desperation are more likely to revert as complacency creeps backs in. The regression, as complacency reenters the picture, will tell you something very important, namely that the changes weren’t made from a deep, or deeply honest enough, place.
The interesting thing, here, isn’t that any of this is a news flash or rocket science, because to the contrary I’m aware how almost insultingly obvious it is. The really key thing to beware of is the pervasiveness with which we’re inclined to put, or keep, the emotional blinders on in such a fashion that we either fail to proactively seek this evidence of a parnter’s commitment to change or else, seeking and discovering the partner’s lack of commitment, we find ways to minimize and ignore the urgency of the evidence’s meaning and message!
I will write about pathological hope as a defense mechanism next week.
(This article is copyrighted © 2011 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is for convenience’s sake and not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the attitudes and behaviors discussed.)
WOW OH WOW !!!!
For those here that are currently at this point – please, please heed Steve’s words. You will save yourself tears, finances, losses you cannot recover and years of wasted time.
Pathological hope – I can’t wait to read next week !
I told myself I loved him , I told myself I wanted a family life for my children, I told myself it would get better , that I could endure and pray and surely my prayers would be answered. That perhaps the other side -being divorced from him would be even worse – and right now it is.
Although I believed and still do that my motives were deeply held and I loved him – he took advantage of this and is still wreaking havoc in my life . EVERY DAY. It is insidious – he passes the house, calls incessantly, he is at the bus stop every morning – all to intimidate and send the message he isn’t going anywhere.
I am older now, still raising kids, he has depleted our finances into the hopeless zone – all the liens are cashing in and he could care less where I wind up with my children.
Honestly, I think he wants me trapped right where I am.
Pathological hope – started for me in 1994 and began to end around 2009 with a whole lot of help from an angel sent to rescue me and he knows who he is.
Don’t waste time, youir love , your energy , your soul – there is no investment to be made here . Life has to be better on the other side – at least there is a chance in that hope.
Nice article, Steve. However, I have to say that at this point in my life, there is no longer sufficient time to keep asking the question, “Is this person salvageable?” Indeed, as far as I’m concerned, if someone fits even vaguely into this category, it’s enough for me to jump ship altogether!
Of course, if someone is asking this about a child or a parent, that’s another matter: in some cases we can’t avoid those types of relationships. But for all the others, I’m simply too weary of bad or selfish behavior to even bother with this stuff anymore. In short, if I find myself thinking, “Is this person reformable, etc.?” – well, for my purposes at least, that’s a pretty good indicator that they aren’t!
Really, being alone isn’t such a bad thing. And it sure beats the hell out of trying to fix selfish – or even “kind of/sort of” selfish people!
Great job, Steve! One of the best things I have ever read.
Good article, Steve, and I agree with Constantine about “if I have to ask the question, the answer is NO!!!”
Constantine, however, you mentioned that if the relationship is with a parent or child, (and I would add spouse) —in other words a relationship of SOME DURATION AND INVESTMENT—it might be something that someone would want to INVEST MORE TIME AND EFFORT IN. Nah, Constantine, ANY relationship where one is DIS-RESPECTED and treated with lack of courtesy and compassion—nah no matter HOW MUCH you have invested in it, trying to salvage the unsalvagable because you have already invested so many dollars, years, love, etc. is still “throwing good ‘money’ after bad!” Tossing your “pearls before swine”!
Excellent way to explain things, Steve.
Thanks so much for the clean and fresh perspective.
*Blessings*
Dupey
Constantine:
You raised a good point about a child or parent which made me think further along those lines…what about marriages where there are children? A lot of times (if not most of the time), these relationships or marriages involve children and that’s where I observe people staying with the “unsalvageable” person because of the children. Is that right? And why do people do it? Is it just easier? Is it easier to stay than to go through all the garbage and turmoil of divorce and custody battles? And by the way, the mere fact that there ARE custody battles confirms to me that people in general are just so selfish. Why can’t people just be fair and real? Sigh. But it will never be.
Oxy:
We posted over each other. That is kind of what I was saying, but why do sooooo many people do it?? Why do so many people stay??? I would love to hear people’s perspectives on this.
Hey Louise (And Hi to you too Dupey!),
Well, as a child of a single working mom, I’m highly biased on this one. I think it’s one of the dumbest cliches how people are always saying, “You need a man in the house.” I don’t object to that or disagree with it entirely. But I can honestly say that I never felt the lack of a male “authority figure” in my life. (Other than the fact that I was probably a bit more wild than I would have been if my father was living with us.) In that respect, I think growing up with just my mom gave me a much freer development than would have been possible otherwise. (It also probably accounts for a few of my eccentricities!) But no, Louise, I wouldn’t have had it any different than it was.
At the very least, if the parents are fighting and arguing on a regualar basis, that’s a no brainer: ANY arrangement is better than that.
Also, you have to remember that fifty percent of marriages end in divorce. And out of the fifty that stay together, probably half of those do it “for the sake of the kids,” or “for the sake of inertia,” etc. – with most of the others living out some similar variety of “quiet desperation.” That being the case, one has to wonder whence all the fuss about finding an “ideal partner” or “soulmate”?
Steve: Thanks for the great article. The words “Sociopaths do not belong in couples therapy” really rang a bell for me. The first time I agreed to give my ex a second chance we did indeed go to couples therapy. I remember the whole time listening to him thinking he was really pouring out his sole to the therapist….even crying. The minute we got back to the car a huge smile came across his face and he remarked “Well I think that went well!” I couldn’t respond ~ I just remember feeling like a duped fool!
Louise: I think people who stay in marriages with minor children may remain there for a few reasons: 1) They don’t want to have to traumatize their children with the spouses multiple new love interests 2) Feel they can better control who the spouse would be exposing the children to by remaining in the relationship 3) Diminishes the chances of the ex taking off or abusing the children. For example: I believe I would have remained married to my ex if my two children were still minors ~ because at the very least I know they would be under my control in my own house. Once you divorce there becomes the custody and stalking issues and who knows what else. BUT I have to say; my ex was never physically violent ~ so this shouldn’t apply to everyone.