It can be pretty tricky navigating the continuum of narcissistically disturbed individuals, attempting to separate the salvageables from the unsalvageables. Yet, there are two awfully basic, interrelated questions that can help you cut to the chase, and guide your decision to keep going, or cut bait.
Here they are:
1) Is your partner someone who genuinely recognizes he has a problem respecting you?
2) If he genuinely recognizes this, then does he have the genuine motivation to confront his disrespectful behaviors and attitudes (be they chronic or episodic; devastating in their impact or more quietly, gradually corrosive of your goodwill)?
Ultimately, it comes down to these separate, yet related, questions.
If the answer to either of them proves no, or probably not, then it’s boogie on out of the relationship time. If the answer to both questions proves yes, or probably yes (and it must be “yes!” to both questions!), then you have a basis to hope for improvement in the quality of the relationship.
But wait a second! I hear the shrieks! “How do you evaluate how genuine someone is, especially a manipulative personality?”
Well, the truth is, it’s difficult to assess how “genuine” someone is, on any level, no less a really good manipulator. But you must still make this assessment in an ongoing fashion, and you must make it without certainty of its accuracy.
Now, we always need to be clear about this: Sometimes, when you are dealing with a sociopath tremendously skilled at dissimulation (as a great many sociopaths are), it may be impossible to bust him before he’s had the chance to wreak terrible, longstanding and long-lasting levels of destruction. God knows this is too often the case. Of course, Donna Anderson in her upcoming book will arm her readers with incredible tools to do precisely this—bust these harder-to-bust sociopathic types.
But in many cases, more than one thinks, partners can be flushed-out for lacking true recognition of their disrespectful behaviors and the true motivation to modify them.
Of course I can’t stress sufficiently that it’s not enough to flush these individuals out: once flushed out, you need to be willing to overcome defenses like denial and pathological hope to heed the red flags you’ve identified. (I’m going to write about what I call pathological hope in my next article. I see it as a defense mechanism that can be almost as self-destructive as the sociopath can be destructive.)
So what are we really looking for here? What do we really need to see? Yes, we are looking for recognition, but most of all we are looking for change. Recognition without change is ultimately useless, a big tease.
And we are looking not for signs of small, itty bitty changes, but real, durable, meaningful, yes big changes. If the changes are too subtle, too slow in coming, too contingent on things like his “moods,” or the alignment of the stars, or if they’re subject to “relapses” of any sort (and especially rationalized relapses), then”¦bzzzzzz”¦.it’s time to send him back to the dugout, permanently, to sit his a** on the bench with his fellow underperformers.
Why do I emphasize big changes and downplay small, subtle changes?
Because we are talking about a big problem, and big problems, on which the quality, integrity and perhaps even safety of your life literally depend, demand big changes. The evidence of the commitment to these changes needs to be absolutely unmistakable; but again I repeat: the key thing is less the evidence of such recognition than the evidence of the changes!
Let me give a small, somewhat tangential but, at least, one specific example of what I’m saying. Let’s say you’ve been feeling disrespected by your partner and for you this is a very serious problem. You’ve been feeling variously misunderstood, blown off, violated, neglected, abused, mistrustful; feeling, let’s say, relegated to a hurtfully low priority in your partner’s world.
In a word, you aren’t feeling respected, and this has become, for you, a serious problem that you share with him. You request that he join you for couples counseling to address your, and perhaps his, concerns?
His answer is “no.”
Well, the answer, “No,” to your request for his participation in couples therapy, is a “You just struck out, pal” answer. That’s a damning, indictable answer. “No” is a virtual affirmation of what you’ve shared with him you’ve been experiencing—his disregard of you and the relationship.
“No” is an utterly lame answer, especially if you’ve requested his participation in couples counseling in a non-belligerent, sincere, and utterly serious fashion.
“No” is tantamount to declaring officially, “I am uninvested in this relationship.”
It may come in countless forms, among them:
“You’re unhappy, that’s your problem.”
“Go get help yourself.”
“I don’t need help. You’re the one with the complaints.”
“Nothing makes you happy. You are insatiable.”
“It’s pointless”¦seriously, get your own sh*t together first and then let’s talk.”
These, and countless similar responses, which blame you and exculpate him, while simultaneously affirming his perspective of the relationship not as a unity or partnership but more as a “sole proprietorship—¦these kinds of responses tell you all you need to know.
But now let’s say he says “yes,” and joins you in couples therapy. That’s nice. If he’s a sociopath, as I’ve written previously, you will hope the therapist will be shrewd enough to know that he, the therapist, is dealing with a sociopath. Because sociopaths do not belong in couples therapy. But for purposes of this argument, let’s imagine he’s not a full-blown sociopath.
In any case, as I’ve been suggesting, it is the evidence, ultimately, that will tell the tale.
He will either change meaningfully and permanently, and begin making these changes in earnest, very soon; or, he won’t.
He may or may not talk the talk effectively, persuasively. But if he doesn’t walk the walk and maintain the walk, you will have gotten your answer.
Walking the walk doesn’t mean it’s necessarily onesided; you too may have changes to make on your end. Nobody’s perfect, and even if you’re involved with a salvageable jerk (the best case scenario and hope), that doesn’t mean you too don’t have room to make some changes.
But let’s not kid ourselves, or let him kid us. If he isn’t motivated to leave you feeling more fulfilled, loved, respected and less neglected; if there isn’t evidence of his sincere desire to do this, and evidence of his willingness to work hard at doing this, and finally, evidence of his success at doing this, well then again”¦.we have our answers.
And let me repeat this point: the changes need to be sustained. Transitory changes made from desperation are more likely to revert as complacency creeps backs in. The regression, as complacency reenters the picture, will tell you something very important, namely that the changes weren’t made from a deep, or deeply honest enough, place.
The interesting thing, here, isn’t that any of this is a news flash or rocket science, because to the contrary I’m aware how almost insultingly obvious it is. The really key thing to beware of is the pervasiveness with which we’re inclined to put, or keep, the emotional blinders on in such a fashion that we either fail to proactively seek this evidence of a parnter’s commitment to change or else, seeking and discovering the partner’s lack of commitment, we find ways to minimize and ignore the urgency of the evidence’s meaning and message!
I will write about pathological hope as a defense mechanism next week.
(This article is copyrighted © 2011 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is for convenience’s sake and not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the attitudes and behaviors discussed.)
Wow, those spaths are so dramatic! It’s like another version of lovebombing. Lovebombing, false promises, wild fantastic claims, but absolutely no show of any kind of insight or self-examination. “I have changed into what you want.” Translation: “I am pretending to be what you want so I can hook you in again.” What a typical specimen!
Panther, congratulations on your new normal bf! Maybe there is hope for the rest of us. 🙂
Star
You’re hitting on an important point. You mention the lomvebombing, false promises, etc.
Here is what I am wondering.
Last night, my therapist said that it’s good to hold on to the DREAM of what I want…. but I need to let go of the MAN (my spath).
I’m not so sure.
Like, I get it that I need to let go of the spath. Should I hold on to the dream? Wasn’t it all a fantasy that a guy could be that fantastic? Shouldn’t I have a more pragmatic view? This guy molded himself into the “perfect’ mate for me, what he thought I wanted. It was not real.
?
SK
superkid10:
I have spent the last 4 years deprogramming myself of ‘magical thinking’. It may have saved me as a child but has almost destroyed me in my adult life. My spirituality survived but organized religion did not. Holding on to dreams is not different than holding on to soap bubbles, in my new found reality. Shalom
I don’t know how to answer that, SK. I have been dreaming and longing for a soul mate ever since I can remember. And I dream about him a lot too when I’m sleeping. He comes in different forms – sometimes thin and blond, sometimes big and bald – sometimes he’s middle Eastern and sometimes American or from some other culture. The feeling and the energetic connection is always the same. I sometimes wonder if my subconscious isn’t trying to torture me, because I never seem to meet this person in real life in permanent form, at least not in a form that I can live with.
I know every time I “disconnect” energetically from a man, that energy does not go away. It just is no longer going in the direction of that man. It is open and free flowing and can be directed toward other men or just toward my friends or creative pursuits.
Maybe what your therapist is trying to say is that just because this creep let you down doesn’t mean you should give up your dream of meeting a great man and having a great relationship. I think a lot of people when they’ve been hurt just throw in the towel. It’s easier and safer that way. I know I’ve taken a lot of criticism for some of my dating choices. But I have a dream of what I want in a man, and I’m “checking out” different men to see what they have to offer me. I’m open to letting men give to me whatever they have to give. It may not be enough for a serious relationship, but it’s helping me to know what I want and don’t want. I really don’t know what size, shape, color, etc. this man will come in, so I’m just trying to be open right now.
Hmmm. I really loved the man I thought my spath was.
I thought he was perfect.
Unlike any other I ever met.
If I don’t let go of that vision, I will never fall in love with anybody else.
I think.
Superkid 10 and Shalom – I felt like Shalom does. I was so relieved when I reached the place where I knew I would not ever tolerate nonsense anymore and that being alone (I have kids – when am I alone really?) and at peace was far better than with someone and miserable.
I dated a few people but it never last long. I knew I was better when I dated a fantastic man but I mentioned gently something that was a deal breaker if it was not corrected ad when it was not, I ended it. He had said he understood and would correct it – that it was not a problem. He did not and after a few discussions – I broke up with him. He did not understand why and believed I must be seeing someone else. Ya da ya da ya…
Ran into him 6 months later and we chatted. He asked to see me again and I said no promises, I’ll have a few dinners. At the second dinner (the issue had been manners) I said something to him – he looked at me and said – no one ever told me that before – (I had simply asked him to sit up and not hunch over his food….then went on to say, you don;t hold your fork properly etc…) It was then I understood that all the time I was saying the word manners he had no idea what I meant.
This man loves me. He finally understood I had not left for someone else and he understood what I meant and that he had not understood before… He loves me enough that he is willing to uproot his business and his life and move 600 miles for me and my children. He knows – particularly given my past experiences that if I call and he does not answer the phone – and then I call again later in the day and he doe snot answer, I might be uncomfortable – so busy as he is – he will text me or call me at his earliest and say hello, I love you, I was in a meeting etc…
I am in this amazing relationship that makes my dreams come true (and no I don’t mean the unrealistic he is buying me material stuff kind of dreams), he is KIND, LOVING, THOUGHTFUL – understands that I must put my children’s needs first at this point… That I walked away when it felt like he was mouthing reassurances and I wasn’t seeing the action makes it all even better. He knows I won’t tolerate nonsense and he respects and honors me in his actions and words.
You can have this too.
Superkid,
that’s called idealizing. Nobody is perfect. I think the spaths make us idealize them by targeting our self-esteem. First, they mirror us and whipsaw us until we become emotionally tied up with them. Then our self-esteem can’t withstand the idea that we (because we hold OURSELVES in high regard) could POSSIBLY love anyone who is less than worthy. So logic follows that they must be the a worthy man or we wouldn’t feel this way about them. In other words, they borrow our self-esteem. Emotions are tricky.
When we discussed positive disintegration I researched it a bit more. It is in shattering everything you believed was real that you can rebuild a new and better world view – including the idea that we could possibly have loved someone who was unworthy.
Then I read somewhere, a story that said it in a different way: A man went to see a Zen master to seek enlightenment. The Zen master offered him tea, the man accepted. The master poured a cup for the man and kept pouring until it overflowed all over the table. The man said, “stop, it’s spilling!” The master replied, “if you don’t empty yourself of what you already know, you won’t have room to accept new wisdom.
SK, I know the feeling when you don’t want to let go of someone because you don’t think you will ever feel the same way about someone else. I felt like this about the spath. And I felt that way about the guy I met in Costa Rica last year. The connection was like no other I’d experienced. I didn’t think I’d ever get over him. But I can honestly say that every time I let go of a guy, another one always comes along. I met a few over the summer that I started to really connect with also, but I did not pursue those for various reason. Men are like buses, SK. There’ll be another one along any minute. At my age, it’s more like the short bus on a holiday schedule. But I still hope. 🙂 To me, there is nothing worse than closing your heart to love because you are afraid you will never get it.
For me, I channel that desire into just being open to what a man has to offer. There is one I have nice conversations with (he lives in another state), and there is one who visits me to cook dinner, dance, do massages, and cuddle. And my options are still open. I enjoy the feelings I get from all the men in my life, but I won’t commit to any one until the conditions are right.
Of course, it goes without saying that you have to avoid any guy who behaves like a sociopath.
I have found that I am putty in the hands of a manipulator when I feel anxious. It’s that too often I am anxious.
If I am calm I can take a stand against a manipulator.
I have noticed that I am getting better at being calm. I am not quite there yet. It is one step forward and two steps backward. Or maybe three steps backward. Or ten? It’s pretty bad. It’s to the point where I gotta celebrate the days I take one step forward.
My daughter posted on her facebook that her birthday is on the same day as her husbands BD. Just a different year. She wrote that her husband is 15 years older.
Her peers teased her and said she is 15 years older than her husband. She responded with lol yeah, I’m 15 years older.
I commented and said don’t take this in stride. You are younger. I used to take these jokes in good nature and it eroded my self esteem in time. Then I asked if she heard John (her dad) calling me Old Lady the last night we were there. I wrote that the stuff erodes my self-esteem.
And, something I suppose I could have posted in addition to this is because she witnessed growing up her dad putting me down. She could be put down and broken too. But, it would not be taken well if I added that to the post.