It can be pretty tricky navigating the continuum of narcissistically disturbed individuals, attempting to separate the salvageables from the unsalvageables. Yet, there are two awfully basic, interrelated questions that can help you cut to the chase, and guide your decision to keep going, or cut bait.
Here they are:
1) Is your partner someone who genuinely recognizes he has a problem respecting you?
2) If he genuinely recognizes this, then does he have the genuine motivation to confront his disrespectful behaviors and attitudes (be they chronic or episodic; devastating in their impact or more quietly, gradually corrosive of your goodwill)?
Ultimately, it comes down to these separate, yet related, questions.
If the answer to either of them proves no, or probably not, then it’s boogie on out of the relationship time. If the answer to both questions proves yes, or probably yes (and it must be “yes!” to both questions!), then you have a basis to hope for improvement in the quality of the relationship.
But wait a second! I hear the shrieks! “How do you evaluate how genuine someone is, especially a manipulative personality?”
Well, the truth is, it’s difficult to assess how “genuine” someone is, on any level, no less a really good manipulator. But you must still make this assessment in an ongoing fashion, and you must make it without certainty of its accuracy.
Now, we always need to be clear about this: Sometimes, when you are dealing with a sociopath tremendously skilled at dissimulation (as a great many sociopaths are), it may be impossible to bust him before he’s had the chance to wreak terrible, longstanding and long-lasting levels of destruction. God knows this is too often the case. Of course, Donna Anderson in her upcoming book will arm her readers with incredible tools to do precisely this—bust these harder-to-bust sociopathic types.
But in many cases, more than one thinks, partners can be flushed-out for lacking true recognition of their disrespectful behaviors and the true motivation to modify them.
Of course I can’t stress sufficiently that it’s not enough to flush these individuals out: once flushed out, you need to be willing to overcome defenses like denial and pathological hope to heed the red flags you’ve identified. (I’m going to write about what I call pathological hope in my next article. I see it as a defense mechanism that can be almost as self-destructive as the sociopath can be destructive.)
So what are we really looking for here? What do we really need to see? Yes, we are looking for recognition, but most of all we are looking for change. Recognition without change is ultimately useless, a big tease.
And we are looking not for signs of small, itty bitty changes, but real, durable, meaningful, yes big changes. If the changes are too subtle, too slow in coming, too contingent on things like his “moods,” or the alignment of the stars, or if they’re subject to “relapses” of any sort (and especially rationalized relapses), then”¦bzzzzzz”¦.it’s time to send him back to the dugout, permanently, to sit his a** on the bench with his fellow underperformers.
Why do I emphasize big changes and downplay small, subtle changes?
Because we are talking about a big problem, and big problems, on which the quality, integrity and perhaps even safety of your life literally depend, demand big changes. The evidence of the commitment to these changes needs to be absolutely unmistakable; but again I repeat: the key thing is less the evidence of such recognition than the evidence of the changes!
Let me give a small, somewhat tangential but, at least, one specific example of what I’m saying. Let’s say you’ve been feeling disrespected by your partner and for you this is a very serious problem. You’ve been feeling variously misunderstood, blown off, violated, neglected, abused, mistrustful; feeling, let’s say, relegated to a hurtfully low priority in your partner’s world.
In a word, you aren’t feeling respected, and this has become, for you, a serious problem that you share with him. You request that he join you for couples counseling to address your, and perhaps his, concerns?
His answer is “no.”
Well, the answer, “No,” to your request for his participation in couples therapy, is a “You just struck out, pal” answer. That’s a damning, indictable answer. “No” is a virtual affirmation of what you’ve shared with him you’ve been experiencing—his disregard of you and the relationship.
“No” is an utterly lame answer, especially if you’ve requested his participation in couples counseling in a non-belligerent, sincere, and utterly serious fashion.
“No” is tantamount to declaring officially, “I am uninvested in this relationship.”
It may come in countless forms, among them:
“You’re unhappy, that’s your problem.”
“Go get help yourself.”
“I don’t need help. You’re the one with the complaints.”
“Nothing makes you happy. You are insatiable.”
“It’s pointless”¦seriously, get your own sh*t together first and then let’s talk.”
These, and countless similar responses, which blame you and exculpate him, while simultaneously affirming his perspective of the relationship not as a unity or partnership but more as a “sole proprietorship—¦these kinds of responses tell you all you need to know.
But now let’s say he says “yes,” and joins you in couples therapy. That’s nice. If he’s a sociopath, as I’ve written previously, you will hope the therapist will be shrewd enough to know that he, the therapist, is dealing with a sociopath. Because sociopaths do not belong in couples therapy. But for purposes of this argument, let’s imagine he’s not a full-blown sociopath.
In any case, as I’ve been suggesting, it is the evidence, ultimately, that will tell the tale.
He will either change meaningfully and permanently, and begin making these changes in earnest, very soon; or, he won’t.
He may or may not talk the talk effectively, persuasively. But if he doesn’t walk the walk and maintain the walk, you will have gotten your answer.
Walking the walk doesn’t mean it’s necessarily onesided; you too may have changes to make on your end. Nobody’s perfect, and even if you’re involved with a salvageable jerk (the best case scenario and hope), that doesn’t mean you too don’t have room to make some changes.
But let’s not kid ourselves, or let him kid us. If he isn’t motivated to leave you feeling more fulfilled, loved, respected and less neglected; if there isn’t evidence of his sincere desire to do this, and evidence of his willingness to work hard at doing this, and finally, evidence of his success at doing this, well then again”¦.we have our answers.
And let me repeat this point: the changes need to be sustained. Transitory changes made from desperation are more likely to revert as complacency creeps backs in. The regression, as complacency reenters the picture, will tell you something very important, namely that the changes weren’t made from a deep, or deeply honest enough, place.
The interesting thing, here, isn’t that any of this is a news flash or rocket science, because to the contrary I’m aware how almost insultingly obvious it is. The really key thing to beware of is the pervasiveness with which we’re inclined to put, or keep, the emotional blinders on in such a fashion that we either fail to proactively seek this evidence of a parnter’s commitment to change or else, seeking and discovering the partner’s lack of commitment, we find ways to minimize and ignore the urgency of the evidence’s meaning and message!
I will write about pathological hope as a defense mechanism next week.
(This article is copyrighted © 2011 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is for convenience’s sake and not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the attitudes and behaviors discussed.)
Constantine,
Those are old emails from a couple of months ago. I had actually shut down those email accounts, but when the guy started commenting on my blog and sending emails to my friends, I got in contact with a cyber detective. Then I had to re-open the email accounts to access the mails for evidence (hotmail saves all this stuff…a little creepy, but useful in this situation). He hasn’t been able to contact me since these mails. I did change my number and have a new email account. I actually just find these so funny now that I can read them without freaking out or anything. The comparison between this nonsense and Mr. Normal (not to be confused with boring of course) is just amazing. I think the letters serve as a good reference point for me now to keep evaluating myself, where I came from, and where I want to be with a relationship (esp since I have one again now). The more time that passes….the CRAZIER those letters look to me.
At the very least, they are a perfect display of this spath attempt to sound genuine and confess either love or a major transformation when it’s utter bullshit, which might be good for some people to see if they aren’t sure about the creature they are dealing with in their own situation. I made the mistake of seeing these displays as real for far too long because I couldn’t fathom why anyone would talk like this unless they were really feeling that way.
People expect spaths to be really obvious, and that’s probably why it takes so long to really spot them. We are pre-conditioned to miss the signs. I can clearly see now that he was screaming with red flags, but it took so long to realize this was a sociopath I was dealing with….see…I thought sociopaths were ax-wielding, straight-faced monsters like the guy in No Country for Old Men. I didn’t know they could be so….expressive and dramatic too.
I got the lovebomb and the pity ploy in one conversation last night from the N. The whole time she was talking I was thinking “here we with the lovebomb”, and then she switched over and I was thinking “here we go with the pity ploy. It was after 6 days of NC. Right before she came outside I was hoping that I wouldn’t see her cuz I wanted to make it a whole 7 days.
I don’t do permanent NC with her due to our situation. When I first moved in, long before I started having problems with her we agreed to look out for each other and call one another if we needed something, got sick, or had an emergency. I had to change things once I found out what she is and so far it has been working quite well. I manage to avoid contact as much as possible and NC that way, and when we do come in contact I gray rock.
It’s amazing to me that they have no idea that we are on to them and go on doing what they do as if we have no idea. I knew that once I got a job and started to get comfortable that the lovebombing would start again and I was right on. She wants me to think that she is changing and starting to relax-based on what she was saying, but I don’t buy into it for a minute. The whole time she was doing it I was thinking, “wow-a couple of months ago I would have totally fallen for this crap”.
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Shalom and Sky – you’re pointing out the idealizing or magical thinking – I think that is a really good point. My spath pretended to be somebody he wasn’t. He put on a mask of what I wanted to see. And when I saw the red flags, I was ignorant, I refused to believe it, I didn’t recognize it, and I kept thinking I was so powerful, that if I love him enough, I can fix it. Accck how stupid.
Star- what you said was full of wisdom. Be open to what a man has to offer. That’s an entirely different approach than “here is my list of criteria”.
Constantine, yes, I agree. Love shouldn’t hurt.
This new guy is a trooper, man. I have been open with him and he’s puzzled. To him, any reference I make about the experience sounds like a Hollywood movie and he can hardly grasp it. He offered to let me run a credit check on him and to hand over all identification documents, including his birth certificate, without me even asking him to!!! I just explained a little about what happened and he was able to get the point and take it from there. So far, it’s quite the opposite of red flags. I feel like a secret agent turning every rock and finding each and every one squeaky clean. I’ve even challenged him to debates on morality, feminism, ethics, etc, and he seems to perhaps have better and more holistic ideas about these things than maybe I even do!!! I would tell you if there were any creepy things, but there simply isn’t. The guy’s freaking normal/healthy, and I’m just barely starting to accept it. (Gee, imagine that. Some guys are not insane 🙂 )
Still, I keep having these moments where I just take a step back, look at him for a moment, and consider that any moment, shit could hit the fan. A part of me is thinking, “Is this guy real or is this just some super high-level spath in disguise waiting for the right moment to attack?” I’d look at ANY guy like this after what happened to me, so it’s not cause I’m getting any creepy vibes from him. Quite the opposite, but I’m officially pre-conditioned to wait for the other shoe to drop.
Ooops I’m writing a lot.
The bottom line is that I am SO HAPPY with this person so far. Breath of fresh air!!! I’ll be taking it slow, but so far, so good.
Thanks for your well wishes. I hope you’re doing well yourself!
Panther
PS I love that quote 😉 Thanks for sharing it so I could see it again. I understand it more now than ever before.
Yeah. I was in the “always trust” mode. Stupidly.
I can respond to differently to each paragraph of the authors blog cause I had life experiences to compare to each paragraph!
Jim was terrible from the beginning. Day three he asked for my computer that I offered in barter for handyman work. He asked for the computer and offered no promises. He spoke that smooth voice on phone. I was so caught off guard. And the computer was an extra that was taking up space. So I gave it to him.
But, he never completed the work while he got additional pay. And expected sex too.
I used to think he was the cleverest thief out there, but looking back he just happened to find the weakest link in the crowd.
This was when I first moved out to the country. It was foreign to me!
I was going to the lumber yard that the townchairman’s family owns. I was going there to buy supplies to fix small stuff on my house. I would buy the stuff and the employees told me how to wire my own phone jacks etc.
Jim frequents the lumber yard to talk to the townchairman. His reasons are to suck up. Jim saw me in there a number of times. I didn’t notice him at the time, but looking back…, yes I remember his albino Sasquatch appearance.
Hello, again, LF bloggers..friends..long time since I posted. Thought I’d let you know what my “healing song” of the week is..Mary Fahl’s “Raging Child”.. I still think we all need at least one, if not more, healing songs to listen to, each week, if only to get out leftover rage from what the SPATHs put us through..here is the link:
http://www.myspace.com/maryfahl/music/songs/raging-child-28634888