It can be pretty tricky navigating the continuum of narcissistically disturbed individuals, attempting to separate the salvageables from the unsalvageables. Yet, there are two awfully basic, interrelated questions that can help you cut to the chase, and guide your decision to keep going, or cut bait.
Here they are:
1) Is your partner someone who genuinely recognizes he has a problem respecting you?
2) If he genuinely recognizes this, then does he have the genuine motivation to confront his disrespectful behaviors and attitudes (be they chronic or episodic; devastating in their impact or more quietly, gradually corrosive of your goodwill)?
Ultimately, it comes down to these separate, yet related, questions.
If the answer to either of them proves no, or probably not, then it’s boogie on out of the relationship time. If the answer to both questions proves yes, or probably yes (and it must be “yes!” to both questions!), then you have a basis to hope for improvement in the quality of the relationship.
But wait a second! I hear the shrieks! “How do you evaluate how genuine someone is, especially a manipulative personality?”
Well, the truth is, it’s difficult to assess how “genuine” someone is, on any level, no less a really good manipulator. But you must still make this assessment in an ongoing fashion, and you must make it without certainty of its accuracy.
Now, we always need to be clear about this: Sometimes, when you are dealing with a sociopath tremendously skilled at dissimulation (as a great many sociopaths are), it may be impossible to bust him before he’s had the chance to wreak terrible, longstanding and long-lasting levels of destruction. God knows this is too often the case. Of course, Donna Anderson in her upcoming book will arm her readers with incredible tools to do precisely this—bust these harder-to-bust sociopathic types.
But in many cases, more than one thinks, partners can be flushed-out for lacking true recognition of their disrespectful behaviors and the true motivation to modify them.
Of course I can’t stress sufficiently that it’s not enough to flush these individuals out: once flushed out, you need to be willing to overcome defenses like denial and pathological hope to heed the red flags you’ve identified. (I’m going to write about what I call pathological hope in my next article. I see it as a defense mechanism that can be almost as self-destructive as the sociopath can be destructive.)
So what are we really looking for here? What do we really need to see? Yes, we are looking for recognition, but most of all we are looking for change. Recognition without change is ultimately useless, a big tease.
And we are looking not for signs of small, itty bitty changes, but real, durable, meaningful, yes big changes. If the changes are too subtle, too slow in coming, too contingent on things like his “moods,” or the alignment of the stars, or if they’re subject to “relapses” of any sort (and especially rationalized relapses), then”¦bzzzzzz”¦.it’s time to send him back to the dugout, permanently, to sit his a** on the bench with his fellow underperformers.
Why do I emphasize big changes and downplay small, subtle changes?
Because we are talking about a big problem, and big problems, on which the quality, integrity and perhaps even safety of your life literally depend, demand big changes. The evidence of the commitment to these changes needs to be absolutely unmistakable; but again I repeat: the key thing is less the evidence of such recognition than the evidence of the changes!
Let me give a small, somewhat tangential but, at least, one specific example of what I’m saying. Let’s say you’ve been feeling disrespected by your partner and for you this is a very serious problem. You’ve been feeling variously misunderstood, blown off, violated, neglected, abused, mistrustful; feeling, let’s say, relegated to a hurtfully low priority in your partner’s world.
In a word, you aren’t feeling respected, and this has become, for you, a serious problem that you share with him. You request that he join you for couples counseling to address your, and perhaps his, concerns?
His answer is “no.”
Well, the answer, “No,” to your request for his participation in couples therapy, is a “You just struck out, pal” answer. That’s a damning, indictable answer. “No” is a virtual affirmation of what you’ve shared with him you’ve been experiencing—his disregard of you and the relationship.
“No” is an utterly lame answer, especially if you’ve requested his participation in couples counseling in a non-belligerent, sincere, and utterly serious fashion.
“No” is tantamount to declaring officially, “I am uninvested in this relationship.”
It may come in countless forms, among them:
“You’re unhappy, that’s your problem.”
“Go get help yourself.”
“I don’t need help. You’re the one with the complaints.”
“Nothing makes you happy. You are insatiable.”
“It’s pointless”¦seriously, get your own sh*t together first and then let’s talk.”
These, and countless similar responses, which blame you and exculpate him, while simultaneously affirming his perspective of the relationship not as a unity or partnership but more as a “sole proprietorship—¦these kinds of responses tell you all you need to know.
But now let’s say he says “yes,” and joins you in couples therapy. That’s nice. If he’s a sociopath, as I’ve written previously, you will hope the therapist will be shrewd enough to know that he, the therapist, is dealing with a sociopath. Because sociopaths do not belong in couples therapy. But for purposes of this argument, let’s imagine he’s not a full-blown sociopath.
In any case, as I’ve been suggesting, it is the evidence, ultimately, that will tell the tale.
He will either change meaningfully and permanently, and begin making these changes in earnest, very soon; or, he won’t.
He may or may not talk the talk effectively, persuasively. But if he doesn’t walk the walk and maintain the walk, you will have gotten your answer.
Walking the walk doesn’t mean it’s necessarily onesided; you too may have changes to make on your end. Nobody’s perfect, and even if you’re involved with a salvageable jerk (the best case scenario and hope), that doesn’t mean you too don’t have room to make some changes.
But let’s not kid ourselves, or let him kid us. If he isn’t motivated to leave you feeling more fulfilled, loved, respected and less neglected; if there isn’t evidence of his sincere desire to do this, and evidence of his willingness to work hard at doing this, and finally, evidence of his success at doing this, well then again”¦.we have our answers.
And let me repeat this point: the changes need to be sustained. Transitory changes made from desperation are more likely to revert as complacency creeps backs in. The regression, as complacency reenters the picture, will tell you something very important, namely that the changes weren’t made from a deep, or deeply honest enough, place.
The interesting thing, here, isn’t that any of this is a news flash or rocket science, because to the contrary I’m aware how almost insultingly obvious it is. The really key thing to beware of is the pervasiveness with which we’re inclined to put, or keep, the emotional blinders on in such a fashion that we either fail to proactively seek this evidence of a parnter’s commitment to change or else, seeking and discovering the partner’s lack of commitment, we find ways to minimize and ignore the urgency of the evidence’s meaning and message!
I will write about pathological hope as a defense mechanism next week.
(This article is copyrighted © 2011 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is for convenience’s sake and not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the attitudes and behaviors discussed.)
Another healing song (to get out the angst) is Pavement Cracks by Annie Lennox..check it out on YouTube…
I just had to bring this article up out of the archives!It’s DEFINITELY worth a read!
Thanks for bumping this up, blossom. I’ve been struggling with doubts about my ex lately. He fit nearly all of the spath markers, but he also spent quite a bit of his own money on me and it got me wondering why he did really nice things for me sometimes, like buy me a new car. I guess he did it to make himself look like a great husband while he secretly slept around. The article on respect really made it clear though. He talked like he respected me as an equal, but his actions didn’t show it.
Well, they do supposedly feel guilt and shame when not in their horrible modes. I think they go back and forth. They can be very generous in some ways and selfish in other ways.
Blossom: Thank you for bringing this article back up. I am glad the author discussed “pathological hope.” I had that for the first year and a half this time with this spath. Now, I know longer have any hope of anything with him other than my doing the least to get the most….sort of like his M.O. behavior, I guess. More of a business arrangement where I am the one making money and he is the one sitting alone most of the time.
I may see if I can find the “pathological hope” article because I’m sure it has many reminders.
Fight – sociopaths do not feel guilt and shame. That is a core of the disorder. If they look like they are feeling guilt and shame, it’s an act to manipulate you.
fight,
Spath never showed me any true remorse.Although he would apologize to others profusely,and sound so sincere,it was different when in my hearing.Very hypocritical!Everything was my fault!If I wouldn’t do this or that…if I would just listen to him,just jump so high,etc.
The more I’d try to shush him when he’d be yelling at me in the apt parking lot,the LOUDER he’d yell!I actually got to the point that I felt that one of us had to die…..and I didn’t care at that point if it was me!I live each day now with gratitude for the gift that it is.
Thank you Donna and Blossom.
Maybe I need to be more clear. I know that the spath doesn’t feel these things towards me or about the things he says or does. I have been reading books about diagnostic information about narcissistic sociopaths and my understanding is that they go through feelings of shame and low self esteem about themselves. Not that they feel any guilt or shame about what they do or say to others. That deep inside they go from feeling worthless to the sick need to control, humiliate, and abuse others.
I enjoyed my evening working in my garden today and heard from him once asking for some help to close a window because he is on the walker. I missed the phone call and he had already closed the window by the time I called him back.
I understand that trying to believe the spath is a person is fruitless. I was simply trying to state that they do have bad feelings inside and often act out inappropriately in ways the rest of us do not find normal human behavior or interaction. I am reading a portion of a book right now about lowering expectations to nil with this type of person. I can do that and have been doing that more and more over the last six months.
I have made a choice to stay the way it is for now. It is not a relationship. It is not “together.” It is a spath living in my garage apartment on a walker. My time with him is my decision completely.
fight,
I know spath felt worthless at times,which is why I would try to build his self-esteem.I tried to lower my expectations to nil….but it’s too hurtful in an intimate relationship.You’re fortunate that your spath is a tenant,nothing more.
Exactly, he’s your tenant, it’s far from ideal that he’s in your home but it’s à decision you have made under tough financial circumstances. He sounds highly depedent on you due to his ill health so you have leverage in your dealings with him, but saying that, these types are so corosive to our well being that even ill, even on a walker, even a paying tenant, enforce boundaries to protect yourself- you wouldn’t be here if you felt at ease around this man. Take care.
I’ve been reading a lot of Steve Becker’s articles this past few days, very encouraging and illuminating.
Thank you, Tealight and Blossom: I agree with you absolutely. I am here because he is bad to have in my vicinity in whatever capacity. It is still difficult living separately…especially when he pulls me into the charm vortex when he wants something. However, I know I do have a leverage that many don’t have. This site is very helpful to me on many levels.