Sociopaths, as a group, tend to be predatory personalities. But does the converse always hold? Are predatory personalities, by definition, sociopaths?
Is it possible to prey on innocent people, and victimize them, yet not be a sociopath?
I think the answer to this question is yes…it is possible to be a predator and not a sociopath, although let me state as strongly as possible that, sociopath or not, the predator’s exploitation is no less damaging.
How one defines the predatory personality makes a difference. For purposes of this discussion, here’s how I’m going to define it: The predatory personality recognizes (if not actively seeks) opportunities for personal gratification, and seizes those opportunities knowing full well that, in doing so, he or she will cause someone else to feel victimized.
This must be a pattern of behavior to constitute predation.
While hardly comprehensive, this will be my working definition.
Predatory behavior can be driven by compulsion, but not all predatory behavior is compulsively driven. When it’s not, as a matter of fact, I think that sociopathy is a virtual given.
Compulsion can be a driving feature of predatory behavior. And many of us can attest personally to the power of compulsion. Compulsion is, by definition, an incredibly hard force to resist. When we feel compelled to do something, even knowing it’s an unwise thing to do, we often do it anyway…and sometimes again and again. Resistance to the compulsive urge proves enormously difficult.
We also know that sometimes, what “compels” us, at the same time violates our general standards and personal values (causing most of us, in these cases, internal disturbance).
This makes compulsion a quite fascinating experience, among other reasons for its seeming power to drive us to actions or thoughts that sometimes fly in the face of our self-respect, and sometimes respect for others.
Of course, not everyone who feels compulsively driven to perform self-violating or violating behaviors even has an underlying value system to be contravened. In these cases, I’d again suggest that sociopathy is likely to apply.
But things grow murkier in cases of individuals who, otherwise seeming to possess and adhere to reasonable moral standards, find themselves “compelled” to actions that profoundly transgress their standards—actions, especially, that leave a wake of victims in their trail.
Theoretically these may be cases where the urge to perpetrate the behavior—the compulsion itself—is so powerful that it’s as if it overrides and corrupts the standards the individual normally applies, and from which he or she draws his or her self-esteem.
In such cases, shame, self-contempt, guilt, and conscious or unconscious acts of penance can follow.
In August an interesting story broke in The New York Times headlined “Star Pediatrician Fights Accusations of Sex Abuse.” It concerned a pediatrician, researcher and writer, Melvin Levine, MD, who is recognized for his work on children’s learning styles and differences. Levine has written several popular psychology/education books on children, and his innovative research has been embraced by school districts across the country.
The front-page story (Aug. 6) reports that multiple former patients, either directly or else through their families—victims who could not possibly have known each other—alleged that, over a period of decades, Levine sexually molested them in the course of physical examinations he conducted with them alone.
Some of the accusations surfaced while Levine was still practicing, others later. None of the accusations, it turns out, was rigorously investigated, as a result of which Levine was never made professionally accountable at any point.
Levine has denied the allegations despite the fact that the complaints were spread across different states, over long stretches of time, contained virtually identical descriptions of his sexual abusiveness and, as noted, were made by disparate, disconnected patients. Thus, the probability of some sort of conspiracy to undermine him begs credulity.
Who, then, is Melvin Levine, MD, assuming the allegations are true and that, over a period of decades—as he was simultaneously contributing undeniably meaningful work to the better understanding and academic growth of children—he was also selecting some of them to sexually molest?
Is he, by definition, a sociopath? Certainly, if the accusations are true, he meets the criteria of a predator. But does this necessarily make him a sociopath?
I could be wrong, yet I can imagine that Melvin Levine falls into that category of individuals who find themselves in the throes of a compulsion that insists as if tyrannically on its expression. I can imagine that Melvin Levine has secretly despised himself from his first, and every subsequent, capitulation to his compulsion.
I can imagine that Melvin Levine has been filled, over the years, with a private self-mortification, believing himself to be incorrigibly corrupted and beyond help or forgiveness. And I can imagine that his good works—his career that, so oddly, has been devoted to the same children he’s abused—derived and evolved from a genuine need to contribute his talents to society in a meaningful way.
I can imagine that Dr. Levine has been living for decades in awful confusion, trying to reconcile his good, perhaps even admirable values,with behavior that’s made a shameful mockery of those values.
Of course, it’s possible that Melvin Levine is a sociopath, and that I’m giving him way too much credit. But I entertain the possibility that he isn’t; that instead, from the first time he indulged his compulsion, he began digging himself as if into a psychic hole of shame and self-corruption so deep and inescapable that, at some point, his survival came to depend on denial and lies and, of course, his capacity to compartmentalize.
Skepticism here is valid. Where do you draw the line? How about serial rapists? Or serial killers? After all, isn’t a monster a monster, regardless of the role compulsion plays in his or her deviance? Who cares what the diagnosis is, one can rightfully object! It’s the behavior that marks the man (or woman)!
I’ve merely scratched the surface of this discussion, and intend to continue it in a future post.
(This article is copyrighted (c) 2009 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
Steve, you raise important issues in this post. I’d like to participate in this discussion and I hope others will also join in adding their own observations.
Psychopathy is defined by the presence of 4 general facets, interpersonal manipulation, affective (lack of remorse and empathy), lifestyle (irresponsible, parasitic), and criminal antisocial behavior. One can be a psychopath or psychopathic and not have every facet.
A person who lacks the interpersonal and affective symptoms, who also has an antisocial compulsion would expend much energy to resist the compulsion. There are pedophiles who lock themselves in their homes, afraid to go out. These people prove their digust with themsleves and caring for others by trying to get help before they are caught or hurt somebody.
Even in very psychopathic individuals, antisocial behavior often has a compulsive quality- consider the pathological lies of a psychopathic con artist.
This gets to what psychopathy is- a disorder of aberrant experience of social reward. What person gets a charge out of hurting other people or exploiting them? A very psychopathic person. In my view, it is the presence of disordered social rewards that defines psychopathy more than the absence of guilt/empathy. The 4 facets are just u=the usual markers of this aberrant experience of social reward.
Working, so just have few minutes to post. I think one can be a sex addict, which is a predator, and otherwise be “okay”…depending on how they act in all other aspects of their life. I think I met one, who was otherwise a good person, a former priest. But that is a huge “otherwise”. But he didn’t seem to cause havoc in people’s lives, other than those young teen boys he molested. (again a BIG otherwise). So I think it comes down to all the other aspects of their lives and how people feel after interacting with the person. And if the person is truly shame filled, or enjoying “pulling one over” on everyone. Just initial thoughts.
If an MD researcher were psychopathic, wouldn’t it be more of a thrill to be molesting children while simultaneously becoming a big name in the field of researching children’s learning styles?
Isn’t that a bit like a high-flying con artist also serving in a prestigious role on Wall Street?
Don’t both aspects point to their grandiosity, their sense of immunity from responsibility for their actions?
As Dr. Leedom said, it’s their “aberrant experience of social reward.”
IMHO, I think (*ALMOST) EVERY person who COMMITS sexual offenses against children or others is a psychopath.
[* I put that in just in case there is ONE who might have some real guilt and not be a PPD]
People feel “compelled” all the time to do things they know are not good, not wise, etc. and HEALTHY PEOPLE restrain themselves from doing these things. I do not doubt that there are men/women who have the “compulsion” to molest children or others sexually, however, those people RESTRAIN themselves with their conscience, at least most of the time. I won’t say that a person who “did it” once, became repulsed at his/her own actions and never did it again, regardless of their “desires” or “compulsions” would be a psychopath, but those that REPEATEDLY do this sort of thing either don’t have a conscience (PPD) or if they have the vestige of one, they over ride it as a LIFE STYLE.
Many psychopaths are bright, artistic, talented, and appear on the surface to be doing wonderful work for the betterment of mankind—yet, behind this mask of “mr Nice Guy” they hide their hideous alter egos. “Great educators” work in schools so they can be near their prey, “great scout leaders” like Charles “Jackie” Walls III mask themselves behind this facade so that they can get near their prey. Jackie molested over 1500 different kids over a 20 year period and was responsible for three deaths, two by murder and one suicide.
What better “cover story” than a well loved and respected pediatrician for a molester? It gave him access to hundreds of children and the “respectability” to get to be alone with them without raising eye brows.
Just like the pedophile priests and ministers and other “men and women of God” insert themselves into the community with a mask of respectability. It doesn’t mean that they are any LESS PSYCHOPATHIC than the crack-head bozo who molests his girl friend’s kids, or his own kids, or snags one out of teh park. It is the ACTS that they ROUTINELY and REPEATEDLY and premeditatively commit that is the KEY IMHO.
This is NOT something that they CANNOT CONTROL, it is an ADDICTION, and yep, there are some definnite “compulsions” for any addiction, whether it is gambling, drinking, drugging, sex, control, risk taking, or whatever it is, but they CAN CONTROL it if they WANTED TO as long as they know right from wrong.
I will not give someone who ACTS on these desires (compulsions?) repeatedly a pass just because it is more tempting for them to do these things than it might be for me to do them. There are other things that I feel COMPELLEd to do, like murder these people in a slow and painful manner that would make hanging, drawing and quartering, seem like the minor punishment, but I know that it is not right for me to do these things, no matter how richly these people deserve it, so I RESTRAIN MY COMPULISONS to give them what they deserve and let the rule of law reign.
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This is a hard one. I don’t know about molestation, but I think that there are people who do horrible acts and do feel regret/shame. Maybe a person who commits these acts is similar to a psychopath in the regard that they do not feel enough empathy with their victims to prevent them from committing the offense, but still feel guilt afterward where a true psychopath would not feel that guilt or regret.
Compulsion is a strong force. It definitely played a roll in me staying with my S for so long. I would find myself calling, or even flying across the country (two times) to be with him…when every part of my mind was screaming at me “STOP BAD IDEA” I’ve felt at times like my mind/logic has been hijacked and tied up in the back seat, while I was compelled to drive across town to be with the S the entire time knowing it would end badly and cause me pain.
So I understand what it is like to be out f control and compelled to do something I know is wrong, unable to restrain myself. But there must be a fine line in there somewhere, bc like Oxy said above I am able to resist some compulsions–like strangling the S.
I guess I believe that one doesn’t have to be a psychopath to be a predator. I could see Dr. Levine full of self-hatred, trying to somehow release himself from his guilt by ‘contributing his talent’ to society, while inside he is being eaten by guilt, yet compelled to continue molesting children. Psychopath or not, EITHER WAY he is a child molester. Neither explanation excuses his actions. I’d presonally prefer it if he was not a psychopath, because he deserves to be riddled with guilt. That’s the most unjust thing about psychopaths, they “get away” with their crimes guilt free. Even if they are caught and punished, without feeling guilt/remorse it’s not much of a punishment.
Psychopaths remind me of a child that sticks out his tongue when he’s been spanked, rather than crying. It would be nice to believe that every bit of evil committed by humans on this earth was done by psychopaths. That would make it easier to deal with, but I’m afraid to believe that. I can’t just go through life thinking every person who has done me harm in some way is an S or P, so I feel like I can’t say that all predators are definitely Ps. Some people are just shallow, selfish jerks, that doesn’t mean they all have some kind of personality disorder.
I think the key difference is the lack of empathy. I have worked with a number of criminals and people who could be considered psychopathic and others who are not. I very much agree with Oxy except it is not an “addiction” in the medical sense. I think the term addiction has been abused and overused much like the term psychopath. Almost everything these days seems to be called an addiction which is some ways helps to mitigate their responsibility for their actions and choices. I have never seen a psychopathic individual go into withdrawal from not being allowed to act like a psychopath or choosing not to act like one.
There are people out there that are pedophiles but who have never touched a child and will go to their graves without ever touching a child. I have also worked with SO’s who did have guilt and remorse over what they have done (though they were adolescents). The difference between the pedophile who acted out and the ones who did not? Often it was empathy. To be disgusted with oneself you have to have at least some empathy to know that acting would be harmful and “disgusting”.
Psychopathic folks make the choice to do what they do and to act how they act. They are not compelled to do it. The want to do it and act on those desires.
Empathy is what makes the difference moreso than any other factor in my opinion. There are people who get a kick out of exploiting other people and hurting them but that do so in a more pro-social manner who are not psychopathic. One example that jumps to mind is people who are often engaged in various types of negotiations and they exploit others and hurt others to win BUT they do not hurt others in the same way a psychopath would do so. They may hurt someone by bringing up something that makes another uncomfortable or unsettling so it puts them off their game but it does not “hurt” them long term or deeply.
Now does this mean that every psychopath does not have compulsions? Of course not. There are often comorbid disorders and other issues that go along with it.
I quote Dr. Carla van Dam, PhD in speaking about serial child molesters who are “socially skilled” (like our physician above) and she in describing them says “THEY LACK EMPATHY, AND EPERIENCE NO REMORSE, AS SHOWN BY THEIR ACTUAL BEHAVIOR.”
Okay, children, let’s all say it in unison, “What ARE TWO OF THE MOST TELLING POINTS ABOUT A PSYCHOPATH?”
NO EMPATHY
NO REMORSE
Blogger, I totally agree with you about the term “addiction’ being over used and used as an “excuse’ that makes the “addict” HELPLESS AGAINST the addiction. PUKE!
QUOTE BLOGGER T:
“psychopathic folks make the choice to do what they do and to act how they act. they are not compelled to do it. They want to do it and act on those desires.”
AMEN, Brother!!! Right on!
When asked about the parents of the children he killed, here is a quote from a serial killer pedaphile who is in jail (it was at his interview on being caught), ( And I will have to look up his name for next time as I can’t remember it right now).
” If I cared about the parents, I wouldn’t have killed the kids.”
Done:
From a very young age, I learned to stick my tongue out at my pysychopathic parents when they brutalised me. Simply because, if I cried I would get a worse bashing. I find it hard to cry now. I feel fear when I want to cry as the bashings were bad. I had my left arm broken by my parents and my brother repeatedly. The earliest break was 18 months. I still have the x rays. Laughter is much easier for me. Laughter is the same release as crying for me. But only when those around me know me (i.e. my son). Otherwise it is best to stay silent.
Since i have been on LF I have cried a few times. I cried for Kelsi and the Coleman boys and their mum. Also for the two wives of that psychopathic ex policeman who was recently arrested. I cried when some members were so understanding and kind. I reckon that is real progress!
Dear Tilly,
It is “funny” (not laughable) that some parents who abuse their kids and the kids cry and the parent tells them to “shut up or I’ll give you something to really cry about!”
I am so sorry that you endured such abuse, I know that leaves marks not only on your body and X-rays but on your soul as well. BUT, I also know that what lyou endured is PROOF POSITIVE that no one can BEAT the GOODNESS OUT of someone who is kind and good….and you are that, my friend!
BTW–can’t remember which thread you asked it on, but a “skillet” is a frying pan made out of heavy cast iron for cooking. It lasts forever if you care properly for it, and is the original “non stick” surface if used properly. It keeps an even temp and is not prone to burn things—and is a great weapon if you need one quickly. In my living history group we have games like kids and one of them is the “skillet toss” for distance and accuracy. I don’t get the distance one against the younger women, but I usually win the ACCURACY toss.
I also (now don’t faint!) won the LIAR’S CONTEST (wild story telling) contest three years in a row!
Tilly, do you still have your boomerang? I have my skillet! Have a nice day and hope Rosa is doing better today! You know the best thing is NC and it is our ONLY defense against those that would try to hook us in. (((hugs)))) and as always, my prayers!