I was recently reading a 2003 paper in the journal Nature called Forensic psychology: Violence viewed by psychopathic murderers which is both interesting and frustrating. Interesting because it demonstrates that, even amongst murderers, psychopathic murderers are different. Frustrating because the authors extrapolate their finding in a way that is ultimately misleading being so narrow as to completely miss the point.
I pick this particular study only because it is rather typical of scientific studies in the field: 1. it neglects to consider what the psychopath gets out of behaving the way he does, and 2. it let’s the psychopath off the hook.
The study
13 psychopathic murderers, 17 non-psychopathic murderers, 39 psychopathic other offenders and 52 non-psychopathic other offenders were given the Implicit Association Test (IAT) .
Briefly, uppercase words (for example, ‘UGLY’) are classified as being ‘pleasant’ or ‘unpleasant’, and lowercase words (for example, ‘kill’) are classified as ‘violent’ or ‘peaceful’, by pressing corresponding buttons. When the same response key is assigned for both the unpleasant and violent words (this is termed the congruent condition), most people find the task easy. But when pleasant and violent words share the same response key (the incongruent condition), most people find this confusing. The association between ‘pleasant—unpleasant’ and ‘violent—peaceful’ is indexed by means of the IAT effect (reaction time for the incongruent condition minus reaction time for the congruent condition).
Result
The psychopathic murderers showed a much lower IAT effect than the non-psychopathic murderers or the other psychopaths in the study.
The researchers’ conclusion
They conclude that there are two groups of psychopaths, one of which has an increased disposition towards extreme violence. So far so good. They also claim the following:
Our results indicate that the reduced violent-IAT effect seen in psychopathic murderers is likely to be due to their abnormal beliefs about violence, rather than to some other nonspecific effect such as poor impulse control and/or deficits in decision-making. Psychopathic murderers have diminished negative reactions to violence compared with non-psychopathic murderers and other offenders.
The fallacy
The great sociologist C. Wright Mills once said: “Every cobbler thinks leather is the only thing,” by which he meant ‘read what I write critically; I’m a sociologist and so I tend to have a sociological explanation for everything.’ Well, our researchers have done something similar. Because their test has found abnormal cognitive associations regarding violence among psychopathic murderers, they take it that this accounts for the psychopathic murderers’ predisposition to extreme violence. The authors’ speak of psychopaths having “deficient social beliefs” and “negative beliefs”, and it is these “abnormal beliefs about violence” (and not poor impulse control and/or deficits in decesion-making) that make them disposed towards extreme violence.
But this factor just happens to be what the researcher’s have been testing; just because they found it doesn’t mean that it is THE predisposing factor. Presumably if they had been testing, say, cholesterol-levels and found a difference they’d say that’s they key.
But it’s worse that that. Something in they way they phrase the matter concerns me. They say (with my reworkings in bold):
- “…due to their abnormal beliefs about violence”.
…due to their pleasure in violence (which is, of course accompanied by abnormal beliefs). - “Psychopathic murderers have diminished negative reactions to violence compared with non-psychopathic murderers and other offenders.”
They have increased positive reactions to violence.
In the British TV show Cracker, the main character, Dr. Fitzgerald is asked why he drinks and smokes so much. “Because I like it!”, he says defiantly. This precisely the point. Maybe Fitz could be shown to have abonormal beliefs about drinking and smoking (he’s a gambler too), but he’s insightful enough to know that it’s not the beliefs that cause the behaviour – he does them because he wants to.
Psychopaths enjoy doing evil; they do it not despite the pain it cause others but because that pain increases their enjoyment.
Leave pleasure out of the picture and we missed an awful lot. Or am I wrong?
Hi Guys:
Well…..today it came full circle…
There is a dude from Hawaii who was calling last summer…pretending to be my ‘new BFF”……badmouthing the spath etc…..claiming to have always like me….and his mother adores me????WTF? I met his mother for 10 min. years ago…
I knew something was up…..and then on Halloween he came by house, when he thought I was gonna be out of town….and he was shocked that there were lights on….i saw through my security cameras that he made a phone call…..then 15 sec. later….my house phone rings and it was spath, from a number he wouldn’t think I would know.
(but I did)…..
Then out my camera view…..the dude outside picks up his phone…..then drives off….
(hey….she’s home)…..
This is the same guy who wanted to ‘rent’ a place in my home….
As I said….somehting was fishy and it alerted me to something in my yard.
Okay,……so the past few weeks…..there has been this guy following us…..I take kids to school and this car is right behind me…..I pull in and the car is sitting on the roadside outside my house and the dude….was rubbernecking at me….
(I’m not so cute these days…..so it’s not often I get guys rubbernecking ol mom)….
I didn’t recognize this guy…..but I have been VERY aware of him following me.
Oldest said he saw him yesterday in the deli, and the guy stared at him and walked away and came back….over and over ….the course of an hour.
He was creepy.
SO……this morning….the kids walk out hte door…..and guess who pulls up….and stops and talks to them……
His car was full of spaths crap….(he stored it)….he was telling kids, he lived around the corner now…..(hmmmmm…in the same house as spath hid out in for several years)……
He went on and on…and the kids said they were so stunned they froze….he put the car in park and reached into the back and tossed out a bag and said,,,,hey this was your dads….you can have this…..BUT….knowing what your dad has been up to recently, you better go through it and make sure he didnt stache anything in there…haahhahaha…..
He said to them….yeah….let’s get togethre for dinner….isn’t it a coincidence WE live in the same town now?
(kids knew of him from Hawaii, years ago).
they said…..NO….we are too busy….
He said……well your dad..blah, blah….and they stopped him and said…..he’s NOT our dad!
They said they reiterated this….over nad over….
and the guy drove off.
I WAS PISSED!!!!!
Not only is he stalking us, he’s aproaching my kids ON MY PROPERTY!!! uh…NO!!!!
So….I called the police, and had them come over and get the damn bag and take it back to him and warn him NOT to ever approach my children again……
HE KNOWS we want NOTHING to do with SPATH or anyone who has anything to do with spath…….
I TOLD HIM THIS LAST YEAR….CLEARLY!!!!! and I didn’t stutter!!!!
So…..with the drug bust and his dupes approaching us and stalking us…..I will apply for the order to be extended.
The cops couldn’t find him at that house, so they took his licence # and make/model/color and the car is unusual in our area, so they will chat with him when he’s pulled over…..
I have no DOUBT hes part of the BIG PICTURE…..and maybe one day…..they will ALL go down!!!
Cuz i’m taken names…..
HOW WEIRD IS THAT……
Oh yea….btw….He’s gonna skip and no show the drug charges……
He’s got plans to go back to the east coast…..
for several years….for ‘a new adventure’…..
as he puts it!!! The beauty of what peeps say online….
Hmmmm……he’s NOT stopped……NOT!
I read in the paper yesterday that there was a 4 TON pot bust in CA…..the guy was sentenced to 4 years and a few months….and never ratted anyone out…kept quiet!
FOR 4 TONS?????
EB – yet another spathy stink is raised.
this guy been in jail? i am getting this feeling that your x met him somewhere like that. perhaps he was his partner from some scam and who is hoping to capitalize on what he sees as a once spathed, twice foolable family.
does one of your cameras point toward the street?
8 of them do!
I have the property surrounded!
No….this guys the ‘money laundering’ type…..
he’s a financial dude…..been involved with some shady, shady companies….i’ve researched….
I’m also bf’s with his ex, ex, ex ……and she’s given me the inside….
He saw ‘stupid’ and he is in town for the tax advantages….but it’s coming full circle with him at that house…..because the owners of that house who hid the spath during divorce in Fl and here……
didn’t know this guy and are sending out ‘messages’ that they have NOTHING to do with spath…..and they ahve ‘rented’ their home here.
This guy doesn’t have a job……and his company folded….(shell co. i’m sure)…..and now he’s connected with FL. dude?
who claims he has nothing to do with spath any longer….
FISHY!!!
He’s been associated with disbarred attorneys from FL…..SEC scandals and always seems to be in the center of the mix.
His former room mates are currently in prison in HI with 10 years ahead…convicted of large drug charges….pled guilty…..
The company he keeps is questionable…..
He’s a sheister type…..with a charm and look…..
Ex met him through a rental we rented years ago in HI…..
I suspect he’s in town because this is a weathy community and spath has pointed him towards his next cons…..
He’s a talker….rico soave type….
I think it’s a bonus we are right here, so he can ‘help’ the spath with harassment etc….keep an eye on him…..
I’m sure….he views me as a stupid woman that he can con……
then the police on his doorstep might shift things a bit.
i can’t shake the feeling that the original ‘meet’ between your x and rico was not coincidental. things do reek.
carp, all you need, another rotten thing.
Oh….they have been friends since…..NOT coincidental!
Erin B, He sure picked the wrong gal to mess with! Loser!!
Love, and Towanda! MamaGem.
I want to address the subject of absolution of sins from a priest and sociopaths. My ex is christian (well pretends to be anyway!) Whilst it is true that being truly contrite and sorry for your sins is a precondition for receiving absolution, the priest has no idea that the sociopath is lying – let’s remember that they put on such a convincing show of remorse at times. So the priest has no idea that this is fake contrition – they grant absolution along with a requirement to say ten Our Fathers and Five Hail Mary’s.
Whilst in God’s eyes, this is false, in the sociopath’s eyes, he has managed to pull of yet another scam and has received absolution of sins from a priest. The sociopath has no worry about the life ever after – he just cares about the moment right now so in his eyes he IS absolved. This must be one of the best scams to pull off for a sociopath – to fool a man of God must be extremely satisfying.
I have looked into the topic of anulment of marriage, but with sociopaths, the problem is their lies and the fact they isolate victims so there are never any witnesses to back up the victim’s story of abuse. The thought of having a council of strangers rake through intimate details of my shame and humiliation and then having the power to pronounce whether it constitutes a fraud marriage, is a little to traumatic for me to think about. So the sociopath has not only cost me many years of my life, he has also cost me my place as a fully respected member of my faith based community. It’s quite a high price to pay. The damage doesn’t end when they walk out the door it seems.
Steve you mentioned that if someone proclaims to love you and continues to do things that hurt and upset – well it must be on purpose. I totally agree and this is the conclusion I came to towards the end. I couldn’t figure out what he was getting out of me being hurt and upset all the time though – it didn’t make sense. That’s because I was attributing to him qualities he didn’t possess. I was assuming he was like me – a person on a learning journey who tried to tread lightly through the lives of others. And of course I hadn’t taken the issue of power into consideration in trying to figure out the situation. Knowing what I now recognise about him makes all those extra pieces of the puzzle fall into place. He hurt me because he enjoyed submerging my life to make himself feel better. He enjoyed seeing me in pain because it gave him a feeling of absolute power.
It still makes me shudder to realise that another human being can be this way. It truly is a confrontation with pure evil. I will never be the same again.
Dear Polly,
A don’t think God can be “fooled” by fake repentence or that a priest can overrule God’s knowledge of your S’s unrepentent heart and mind….so just keep in mind that God will be the judge of your S, not the priest or the Pope or anyone else. GOD!
I am not Catholic so I am not convinced that anyone else can interpret scripture and tell me what is right and wrong definitively. I unfortunately DID allow my egg donor’s “interpretation” of some of the words like “forgiveness” to be skewed so it would back up HER way of controling me, with God, of course, as the ultimate punisher to send me to hell if I didn’t do what she wanted me to do. Now, I read and interpret scripture for myself.
I see God now as a genuine “heavenly father” a LOVING spiritual father, not as some old man with a long white beard and a bull whip! LOL I no longer Have a FEAR BASED religion or a FEAR BASED relationship with God, but one in which I feel comfort and caring, not rage and vengence directed toward a child that is trying the best they can to do right.
I wish you peace in your spiritual journey, love and comfort! (((Hugs))))
OxD, I agree with you, here. No man – man – priest – rabbi – holy person – etc. – has The Right to grant absolution. The Creator, God, Jehova, Allah, whomever you choose to call It, is the Higher Power and Ultimate Authority.
And, perhaps, “hell” could simply be a complete separation from God.
Whatever each of our spiritual beliefs are, it is my firm stand that spaths can’t even concern themselves with an afterlife, much less atoning for their sins, today. The Universe of Spathy has one Emperor and resident: the spath. In their vapid minds, they are the god of their universe. Otherwise, fear of retribution would surely make one reconsider their cruel paths.