Sometimes I like to revisit, churn all over again, a prior concern around sociopathy. A number of colleagues were recently stressing the defective quality of empathy in the more sociopathic clients they work with, while I found myself stressing the quality of remorselessness in the more sociopathic clients with whom I work (and have worked).
In my view, remorselessness is a much more serious indicator of sociopathy than lack of empathy per se. I know I’ve stated this in previous pieces, but well”¦here I go all over again.
Many people lack empathy for a great many reasons, depending on how one even defines empathy. But clearly this is true—many of us have a relatively difficult time emotionally stepping into another’s shoes and genuinely, emotionally inhabiting (as it were) his or her experience; that is, feeling their experience with them, for them.
I’d venture to say that a rather high percentage of the general population fails pretty badly at meeting this pretty classical criterion to be considered “empathic.” Of course, nothing is black and white: sometimes we find ourselves experiencing empathy in surprising circumstances, almost unaccountably; otherwise, sensing that empathy is clearly indicated in certain situations, we might find ourselves in suprisingly, uncomfortably short supplies of it?
And so the experience of pure empathy eludes many of us, perhaps even the majority of us, often”¦more often than we might even want to admit.
However, remorselessness is a whole different kettle of fish. A typical case involving a nonsociopath goes like this. One partner, a good communicator, says to her husband, “What you said to me last night in front of our company was humiliating. You have no idea, I’m guessing, how much that hurt me and pissed me off. If you ever do that again, I swear I may never forgive you.”
Her husband, if he’s really honest, might say, “You know what? I really don’t have any idea. I didn’t see, and still don’t, why what I said was that big a deal. I was trying to be funny. I didn’t think you’d take it so personally.”
This husband, we might say, lacks empathy. We don’t even need to know what he said that aroused his wife’s ire to surmise that, here, in this example, taken from a couples session I facilitated recently, he is demonstrating less than optimal empathy.
But he also added, sincerely, “I’m sorry. I am. I’m sorry I hurt you so much. I won’t do that again.”
His wife was only somewhat appeased by his apology because, while it expressed remorse, it didn’t reflect much, if any, empathy. And she wanted more than remorse. She wanted empathy.
I believe it is entirely possible, even common, to express remorse, sincerely, even in the absence of empathically appreciating the impact of the original behavior for which you are expressing the remorse. This is because, if you are not a sociopath, you can really feel bad for hurting someone even without quite understanding why what you did was so hurtful.
Now, in the example above, the partner chastised for his previous night’s insensitivity could have responded differently, reacting to his wife’s feedback with, “You know what? Too damned bad. So you felt hurt? Well”¦get over it.”
This would be a response not only lacking in empathy but also in remorse. As an isolated, occasionally defensive, hostile response, it wouldn’t necessarily suggest the presence of sociopathy; but as a patterned kind of remorseless reaction it may very well signal the presence of sociopathic tendencies.
In the vast majority of cases, the relatively non-empathic individual reacts with some form of true remorse upon learning he or she has been experienced as damaging, even if it comes as a real, confusing surprise to learn this. Again, the typical response might be along the lines of, “Really? I had no idea.” (reflecting defective empathy) “But I’m really sorry. I didn’t mean to hurt you like that.” (reflecting remorse).
Where remorse is missing from acts that have been experienced as hurtful, we find ourselves in much more seriously disturbed territory. Sociopaths, of course, may feign remorse, although many times not. But feigned, shallow remorse—remorse that serves his self-interest, not yours—is worth less than no remorse.
A chronic theme of weak, or absent, remorse is thus much more indicative of the sociopathically oriented individual than the measure of his empathy. Oddly enough weak, or even sometimes missing, empathy, doesn’t necessarily preclude some form of meaningful connection with another (although it won’t be empathically-based).
But weak, or missing, remorse fatally does preclude such a connection, ensuring only the possibility of a damaging, exploitive experience.
(This article is copyrighted © 2011 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is for convenience’s sake only, not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the attitudes and behaiors discussed.)
Petitie,
Seriously!! Take it from Katy. SHe was the WIFE, chica!! LISTEN to her!!
She’s also right about your now ex’s behavior. I could not have worded it better. But that is EXACTLY what it means.
LL
Petitie, this is where I can’t help you, but only be as honest as I can about this process and try to comfort you as much as possible….
you’re saying no to him is just what I had to do with my exPOS too. It’s awful. The pain will get worse before it gets better. You will be tempted to give in, to run back….it’s been a month of no contact for me, two months without sexual contact….and it’s hell, no doubt, but even with all of what is now my anger, and as well as my sadness and feeling, at times, very hopeless, I try to keep thinking about my no and what that meant.
It meant that I took back a little bit of my self respect, or what was left of it. Remember, petitie, this had been a ten year relationshit for me. Thank your lucky stars that it wasn’t that long for you my dear and that you had the where with all inside of you to say no. You knew what was right. You set a boundary for yourself.
you know what he is, but truthfully, even with all that you know, or with all that I know, it doesn’t stop the pain. That IS the process……but I can’t go beyond that right now because I’m still grieving…….but fast approaching what feels like a neverending anger….
I hope that your pain and anguish doesn’t last nearly as long, and maybe in that way you will be lucky too because the relationshit you had, wasn’t that long….you saved yourself Petite. A lot of unhappy things. A lot of grief.
Even while you’re hurting and grieving. If that makes sense.
Be proud of yourself. You did a really good thing for yourself. You set a very important boundary for yourself. Now you can concentrate on yourself and prepare to love yourself enough that the next guy that comes along, is a good man and SUPER lucky to have you!
LL
Hi LL,
yes, I want to learn from all of you here, Oxy, Katy are very wise and their advice is very sound.
how can I get over the pain, will he be different to the next girl, will he change for her, will she be the love of his life and his ultimate joy.
should I have held onto him, should I have not let him go, maybe he would have changed for me.
so much of pain within me, though I kow if he could not be nice to his wife,why would he do that for me.
petitie
Petite,
Let me be more complete and maybe that will make better sense:
“he doesn’t care about YOUR feelings therefore he wants you to accept whatever way he behaves without regard (regard means to show respect or concern for) for your feelings/needs/sensibilities/dignity, etc., thus the request that you forget his inconsistencies. (BTW – Inconsistencies is a euphemism for deceit or deception or LIES)
Sorry for your grief. ONLY MY OPINION: In time you will see the loss you grieve for is not him but it’s a need that is unfilled and desired in your life, and the pain comes from you withholding it from yourself. There are ways to fulfill your needs, but you have to acknowledge them first and as women we don’t like to acknowledge needs. We are givers and nurturers and it is hard for us to respect our own needs as worthy (which is why we want someone else to fulfill them for us, b/c we don’t feel worthy enough to fulfill our needs for ourselves.) IMHO
thanks LL,
you are so kind and have such sweet words for me. wish we were in the same city, we could have grieved together and made faster progress.
yes, I set a boundary for myself, I said “no more” to protect myself, yesterday night, when I left him at the airport, he had that puppy dog look on his face and how I wanted to tell him – that lets give it a chance, but I knew, it would have not got better for me.
He will not change for me.
petitie
Petite,
Short story is your guy has no remorse. It’s hard to to explain himself b/c what he did was inexcusable. It’s much easier for him if you’d accept that not being a caring person is just “who he is” and you must give up all that feeling stuff (i.e., respect/dignity/regard) and just have a good time. (It’s why these type are great first dates and lousy for relationships.)
thanks Katy,
when his statements did not match, I told him I could not make sense of the inconsistencies, he agreed that he was inconsistent and said ” I know how you feel, but I cannot explain it any more, I am not good at rescuing, I am not good at answering questions, you are still precious to me, just becoz I cannot answer you the way you want me to, does not mean I love you lesser. Let us put this in a box for now and enjoy this trip and then deal with it later”.
to me all this was crap – a concern in a romantic partner, should be dissected and dealt with right away. I told him that, and he said he had tried to deal with it, in the best way he can, so let us put it in a box and deal with it later. (which in his language means – lets just forget that this happened and I don’t hold him accountable for it).
your thoughts
petite.
Petite.
He won’t. And he won’t for anyone else either.
He’s gone now. So it’s time to grieve it. ANd when you’re ready, you’ll be willing to look at why you were so vulnerable to him in the first place.
You have lots of good stuff in your life right now, Petitie. Lots to offer and give. The missing element is somewhere inside yourself that allowed him access to your heart and mind in the first place.
Petitie, we don’t have to be in the same city. We can just be here, miles and miles apart and still give each other support to move ahead. 🙂
But next time your in Portland, it’s a date, chica!!
ANyway, even though you feel very sad right now, just keep focused on what you saw that you knew was manipulation of you, his wanting to “forget” your concerns and “give it a chance” (complete disrespect for your feelings), and that you KNEW this was wrong. That you stood strong and maintained a boundary even while having to face him. That’s pretty amazing, Petite. That is YOUR BIG boundary, you defended yourself and stood strong.
You couldn’t change him petite. He’ll go onto play victim with other women and you don’t even know that he DOESN”T have other women already!! I found out mine has many that he’s playing. That’s just who they are. It doesn’t mean you can’t be and even SHOULDN”T be sad, because you should….you have feelings and you have self respect.
He doesn’t. not for himself and not for you.
Just remember WHY You said no. If that’s all you can do right now while you feel sad, do it.
YOu stood up for yourself.
Feel good about that Petitie.
HUGS!
LL
Petite.
Classic Spath response. Classic. I can see his motive in saying it too. He wanted to get you hooked, having a good time, being love bombed, including (if he could get it) sex, believing that after all of that, you’d be so hooked he wouldn’t HAVE to explain.
MY exPOS did this to me over and over and it worked.
Classic spath,Petite. You dodged a bullet for sure.
LL
LessonLearned?
Just to let you know, for me what came after the heartache and anger was my desire for something better that no one could take from me.I didn’t want to “settle for” anymore. I wanted peace (no drama), self empowerment, satisfying my curiousity (I was one of those annoying “why” kids, no wonder my mother hated me!), connecting to people that I respected and cared for AND (very important) reciprocally connected to me with respect and care.
On cold nights right before a holiday, I miss being able to share with him. But then I remember, we didn’t “share” anything. I gave, he took. He enjoyed the meal but did not appreciate the cook. And he recreated the same ideas I had with another, we were interchangable b/c the women did not matter to him, it’s the experience he wanted to repeat (was fun the first time to wake up on Christmas to a stocking from Santa. So he just manipulated ALL the women to give him a stocking, then he had SEVERAL every year since then!) Notice, I don’t just process missing him, I process the truth to the end and suddenly… I don’t miss him at all.