Sometimes I like to revisit, churn all over again, a prior concern around sociopathy. A number of colleagues were recently stressing the defective quality of empathy in the more sociopathic clients they work with, while I found myself stressing the quality of remorselessness in the more sociopathic clients with whom I work (and have worked).
In my view, remorselessness is a much more serious indicator of sociopathy than lack of empathy per se. I know I’ve stated this in previous pieces, but well”¦here I go all over again.
Many people lack empathy for a great many reasons, depending on how one even defines empathy. But clearly this is true—many of us have a relatively difficult time emotionally stepping into another’s shoes and genuinely, emotionally inhabiting (as it were) his or her experience; that is, feeling their experience with them, for them.
I’d venture to say that a rather high percentage of the general population fails pretty badly at meeting this pretty classical criterion to be considered “empathic.” Of course, nothing is black and white: sometimes we find ourselves experiencing empathy in surprising circumstances, almost unaccountably; otherwise, sensing that empathy is clearly indicated in certain situations, we might find ourselves in suprisingly, uncomfortably short supplies of it?
And so the experience of pure empathy eludes many of us, perhaps even the majority of us, often”¦more often than we might even want to admit.
However, remorselessness is a whole different kettle of fish. A typical case involving a nonsociopath goes like this. One partner, a good communicator, says to her husband, “What you said to me last night in front of our company was humiliating. You have no idea, I’m guessing, how much that hurt me and pissed me off. If you ever do that again, I swear I may never forgive you.”
Her husband, if he’s really honest, might say, “You know what? I really don’t have any idea. I didn’t see, and still don’t, why what I said was that big a deal. I was trying to be funny. I didn’t think you’d take it so personally.”
This husband, we might say, lacks empathy. We don’t even need to know what he said that aroused his wife’s ire to surmise that, here, in this example, taken from a couples session I facilitated recently, he is demonstrating less than optimal empathy.
But he also added, sincerely, “I’m sorry. I am. I’m sorry I hurt you so much. I won’t do that again.”
His wife was only somewhat appeased by his apology because, while it expressed remorse, it didn’t reflect much, if any, empathy. And she wanted more than remorse. She wanted empathy.
I believe it is entirely possible, even common, to express remorse, sincerely, even in the absence of empathically appreciating the impact of the original behavior for which you are expressing the remorse. This is because, if you are not a sociopath, you can really feel bad for hurting someone even without quite understanding why what you did was so hurtful.
Now, in the example above, the partner chastised for his previous night’s insensitivity could have responded differently, reacting to his wife’s feedback with, “You know what? Too damned bad. So you felt hurt? Well”¦get over it.”
This would be a response not only lacking in empathy but also in remorse. As an isolated, occasionally defensive, hostile response, it wouldn’t necessarily suggest the presence of sociopathy; but as a patterned kind of remorseless reaction it may very well signal the presence of sociopathic tendencies.
In the vast majority of cases, the relatively non-empathic individual reacts with some form of true remorse upon learning he or she has been experienced as damaging, even if it comes as a real, confusing surprise to learn this. Again, the typical response might be along the lines of, “Really? I had no idea.” (reflecting defective empathy) “But I’m really sorry. I didn’t mean to hurt you like that.” (reflecting remorse).
Where remorse is missing from acts that have been experienced as hurtful, we find ourselves in much more seriously disturbed territory. Sociopaths, of course, may feign remorse, although many times not. But feigned, shallow remorse—remorse that serves his self-interest, not yours—is worth less than no remorse.
A chronic theme of weak, or absent, remorse is thus much more indicative of the sociopathically oriented individual than the measure of his empathy. Oddly enough weak, or even sometimes missing, empathy, doesn’t necessarily preclude some form of meaningful connection with another (although it won’t be empathically-based).
But weak, or missing, remorse fatally does preclude such a connection, ensuring only the possibility of a damaging, exploitive experience.
(This article is copyrighted © 2011 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is for convenience’s sake only, not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the attitudes and behaiors discussed.)
petite, I think you saved yourself from years of misery.
Even if you married and lived with this man…
anytime he went out of the country… for one of his “conferences”
you would be in agony wondering who he was with.
Even if he was only unaccounted for for 3 hours during the day…
you would wonder who he was with, you would never trust him…
and why???? Because you already know he is a liar and a cheater.
We always have the hope that they will change,
that we are the special one… and that they will wake up and
realize exactly how special we are… but you are right, it never happens.
Not with guys like this.
I think you were really brave and smart to reject him before he could destroy you,
you would have destroyed yourself with stress and heartbreak if you stayed with him.
You did dodge a bullet!!! I’d rather be killed quickly with a bullet
than die by going through years of being lied to and cheated on.
“I’m not good at answering questions” WHAT CRAP!!! OMG!
He already told you that he cheated on his wife with 6 women…
and “he doesn’t know why”. I’M SO GLAD YOU DUMPED HIM!!
YAY PETITE!!!!!
Petite,
your spath said he could not explain anymore.
I have a spath brother, who always says, “the past is past and we don’t have to talk about it.” Hello, yes we do have to talk about it. It is relevant to today. It is relevant to what I can EXPECT from you.
My own spath exP said, “the past does not exist!” LOL.
My new BF and I laugh at this every day because I had exP on a speaker phone and BF heard it. It’s the spath MOTTO. No past needs to be acknowledged. After all, if the past is acknowledged that means that you have to talk about his PERSONALITY DISORDER. The spath lives and breaths on lies. Once they are uncovered they slither away.
This is not just from my experience, I read this somewhere. All spaths refuse to discuss the past. They cannot own up to what they’ve done.
Your spath indicted himself, he offered more proof in case you had any doubt about what he was, by refusing to answer your questions. Lucky you.
But beware Petite, he will be back. He didn’t get what he was expecting. He wants to know more about why you rejected him. It will drive him crazy until he knows. How else can he perfect his con? He must understand what tipped you off. My exP asked me, “When did you stop RESPECTING me?” He wants to know if he’s losing his touch. Nothing is more important to him than his N-supply, this question will consume him. I hope he doesn’t slip up in surgery and kill someone!
You are a strong woman, petite, but this will test your mettle. Spath attraction is strong. There is a story that Kim Frederick posted about here on LF. It’s called “good country people”. It has really helped me to stay grounded on what spaths want and why they do what they do. Google it and read it if you have time.
BTW, I’m so proud of you.
Katie,
I can’t even tell you how much I relate to your post and how grateful I am that you shared it from a wife of a spath’s perspective. I suspected as much…….
Wow, what a revelation for me with all the christmas’s I gave him stuff. LOL………funny that I think of it now….it wasn’t so funny then…
One year, I gave him an absolutely beautiful watch for Christmas. He still wears that damned watch too. I wish to GOD I had NOT given it to him now. I often wondered what he told his wife. He never responded with a straight answer, although I’m positive he told her he bought it for himself. Jackass. HE STILL WEARS THAT DAMNED WATCH! I’d like to RIP IT OFF HIS WRIST!!
ANyway…..I hear what you’re saying, ever so slowly there is a shift now…and perhaps this is why the anger is flowing….all the time I thought he was “there” for me, he never was really there…I’ve been alone the entire ten years. I created the illusion with the promises and lies he weaved for me that he was there. But he wasn’t, katy. And in truth, he was very mean. And hye was cruel to his wife too. He never gave a rip that he cheated on her, feeling very justified in doing it. I would ask him why don’t you go home and work it out with your wife, POS?
Classic answer, every single time, “Nope, too much work”
If that doesn’t scream spath I don’t know what does.
Go figure
LL
thnaks LL and shabby, and Katy.
shabby, it was not just going overseas for conferences, we would have been at conferences together as we both are in the same profession and same medical field.
one does not have to leave the city to cheat, one can cheat in the same city, one of his women was in the same city where he lived.
so what gave me a lot of fear and stress was that he has a ready answer to every question, always trying to justify his actions and when he cannot offer a explanation, he will say something like – that is not the way you or I see it, we interpret things differently, it could be cultural differences, you may misunderstand things and in the end say – I am not god at answering questions and if I cry – he will say I am not good at rescuing, and that would be leave me insane with grief.
petite
OMG Petite!!
I”M SO GLAD YOU’RE AWAY FROM HIM!!!
GOOD JOB!!!
LL
Petite,
I am sorry for another truth… this guy has other women. These type constantly approach other women to fill his needs.
Notice he’s AVOIDING intimacy in your relationship?? (PLEASE don’t tell me you actually believe a relationship can deepen in intimacy when one partner refuses to communicate?) He’s also good at guilting isn’t he?!! Making YOU responsible for his bad behavior is part of this personality disorder b/c HE refuses to be held accountable. Emotionally healthy people do not avoid being accountable. In fact, it is how we attain integrity (POWER!). It is NONSENSE to imply that being respectful towards the dignity and feelings of a partner has any link with “rescuing”? (He’s deflecting, classic in this personality disorder – making you sound inappropriately needy).
Petite, the things you describe him saying, those are what I call a MINDFK, trying to talk you into accepting NONSENSE.
Katy,
Yep. Agreed!!
LL
thanks skylar.
yes he always says “well, that is the past, what is the past is the past”, we should think about the moment and enjoying and cherishing thi moment with each other.
I followed your ‘grayrock advice”.
he does know to a large extent that I did not want to continue with him as I fear his inconsistencies and strong argumentative ways.
he will have plenty of N supply, so I don’t think he will be short of supply to go searching for me.
petite
Petite,
I am angry that he is so dismissive of you. You can save lives but it’s cultural that you don’t understand his explanation??!! What a load of crap. The REAL problem is that he doesn’t have an explanation of NONSENSE. And nonsense in ANY language is still NONSENSE!!!
Petite,
Mine has been flooding his dating sites constantly.
As SAD as it is, there are always LOTS of victims out there to be had and buy into the BS.
BUt you aren’t going to be one of them. REJOICE!!! You didn’t have to live another TEN YEARS in it Petite!!! I told you before, I’ll tell you again………it is NOT FUN BEING ME RIGHT NOW JUST OUT OF WHAT YOU JUST AVOIDED!
You spared yourself YEARS of unbearable grief, Petite.
Pat yourself on the back now and move on with your grieving.
You’re a smart, capable, vibrant, motivated woman!
You can do it! You already have. 🙂
And with that, goodnight everyone.
Love you all. Thank you for putting up with yet for another day.
Katy- special hugs. Thanks.
LL