Sometimes I like to revisit, churn all over again, a prior concern around sociopathy. A number of colleagues were recently stressing the defective quality of empathy in the more sociopathic clients they work with, while I found myself stressing the quality of remorselessness in the more sociopathic clients with whom I work (and have worked).
In my view, remorselessness is a much more serious indicator of sociopathy than lack of empathy per se. I know I’ve stated this in previous pieces, but well”¦here I go all over again.
Many people lack empathy for a great many reasons, depending on how one even defines empathy. But clearly this is true—many of us have a relatively difficult time emotionally stepping into another’s shoes and genuinely, emotionally inhabiting (as it were) his or her experience; that is, feeling their experience with them, for them.
I’d venture to say that a rather high percentage of the general population fails pretty badly at meeting this pretty classical criterion to be considered “empathic.” Of course, nothing is black and white: sometimes we find ourselves experiencing empathy in surprising circumstances, almost unaccountably; otherwise, sensing that empathy is clearly indicated in certain situations, we might find ourselves in suprisingly, uncomfortably short supplies of it?
And so the experience of pure empathy eludes many of us, perhaps even the majority of us, often”¦more often than we might even want to admit.
However, remorselessness is a whole different kettle of fish. A typical case involving a nonsociopath goes like this. One partner, a good communicator, says to her husband, “What you said to me last night in front of our company was humiliating. You have no idea, I’m guessing, how much that hurt me and pissed me off. If you ever do that again, I swear I may never forgive you.”
Her husband, if he’s really honest, might say, “You know what? I really don’t have any idea. I didn’t see, and still don’t, why what I said was that big a deal. I was trying to be funny. I didn’t think you’d take it so personally.”
This husband, we might say, lacks empathy. We don’t even need to know what he said that aroused his wife’s ire to surmise that, here, in this example, taken from a couples session I facilitated recently, he is demonstrating less than optimal empathy.
But he also added, sincerely, “I’m sorry. I am. I’m sorry I hurt you so much. I won’t do that again.”
His wife was only somewhat appeased by his apology because, while it expressed remorse, it didn’t reflect much, if any, empathy. And she wanted more than remorse. She wanted empathy.
I believe it is entirely possible, even common, to express remorse, sincerely, even in the absence of empathically appreciating the impact of the original behavior for which you are expressing the remorse. This is because, if you are not a sociopath, you can really feel bad for hurting someone even without quite understanding why what you did was so hurtful.
Now, in the example above, the partner chastised for his previous night’s insensitivity could have responded differently, reacting to his wife’s feedback with, “You know what? Too damned bad. So you felt hurt? Well”¦get over it.”
This would be a response not only lacking in empathy but also in remorse. As an isolated, occasionally defensive, hostile response, it wouldn’t necessarily suggest the presence of sociopathy; but as a patterned kind of remorseless reaction it may very well signal the presence of sociopathic tendencies.
In the vast majority of cases, the relatively non-empathic individual reacts with some form of true remorse upon learning he or she has been experienced as damaging, even if it comes as a real, confusing surprise to learn this. Again, the typical response might be along the lines of, “Really? I had no idea.” (reflecting defective empathy) “But I’m really sorry. I didn’t mean to hurt you like that.” (reflecting remorse).
Where remorse is missing from acts that have been experienced as hurtful, we find ourselves in much more seriously disturbed territory. Sociopaths, of course, may feign remorse, although many times not. But feigned, shallow remorse—remorse that serves his self-interest, not yours—is worth less than no remorse.
A chronic theme of weak, or absent, remorse is thus much more indicative of the sociopathically oriented individual than the measure of his empathy. Oddly enough weak, or even sometimes missing, empathy, doesn’t necessarily preclude some form of meaningful connection with another (although it won’t be empathically-based).
But weak, or missing, remorse fatally does preclude such a connection, ensuring only the possibility of a damaging, exploitive experience.
(This article is copyrighted © 2011 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is for convenience’s sake only, not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the attitudes and behaiors discussed.)
petite, Oh yeah, they love to say that kind of crap,
“I’m not good at rescuing, I’m not an emotional guy,
you don’t understand what I’m talking about,
what’s wrong with you?”
They all have the same line of bullshit!
yeah, I know one does not have to leave the city to cheat,
that’s why I wrote if he was unaccounted for 3 hours during the day…
you would wonder who he was with.
The last toxic man I was with keeps stopping by here every couple of months,
he is a very handsome man,
it makes me feel very good to tell him no.
He said it “breaks his heart” LOL!!!! what a jerk.
Hi Katy,
you said he is avoiding intimacy in the relationship,
sorry, I cannot understand, why would he want to do so, I thought he would want to be intimate with me (mimic it in the least). he did all the lovebombing very well.
you said – Making YOU responsible for his bad behavior.
can you please explain.
thanks
petite
Sky!!
Was wondering where you were on another thread!!
**waving**
HOpe your day was a good one!
LL
Oh my, Petite. he tried to use cultural differences. That’s a good one! “You don’t understand my culture” WHAT CRAP! I wish I could find that fucker and slap the crap out of him.
Sorry, I got carried away but he makes me sick.
If he tries to contact you again, please tell him, “sorry but I’ve met someone from my OWN culture – the HUMAN culture – who actually understands me.
LOLOLOL .
If you report back, I’ll just fall off my chair laughing.
skylar,
as I said, he spoke a lot of non-sense and I could make no sense whatsoever out of it.
I was getting more and more entangled, confused, messed up, so I had to tell him, I needed my own time.
he is a smart, handsome, polished doctor, he will get a lot of supply and victims like us will always be vulnerable to his lovebombing tactics. as LL said, I can rejoice (though not quite yet, as I am so sad). also feel that it was not just me whom he could not give adequate explanations, he will be the same to the next victime, though who knows, he may find find a woman who will ask for no explanation whatsoever and make him happy forever.
petite
Lesson Learned,
While I am all puffy and angry with Petite’s jerk, your spath sure tapped into your bad habit of beating yourself up. He totally did a mindfk to you. Your overwhelming guilt? That was HIM mindfk you. Manipulated manipulated. You learning Boundries is right on IT. He was like a demon sitting on your shoulder whispering evil stuff in your ear… SHUT THAT DEMON UP!!
Bad mom? With SIX kids? That’s an INVALID guilt trip. Just raising ONE was overwhelming for me. Did you love them? Did you do your best with what you had? Bet you did. I had a HELL of a childhood. Did I turn out spath? NO. B/C I CHOSE to be something else. TRUTH: YOU were NOT NEVER NUNCA a bad mom, you were given an overwhelming task that NO ONE could be perfect at doing. As long as you didn’t shoot drugs with them or pimp them out, you were STELLAR. Spath father and trouble with ONLY ONE? That’s statiscally spectacularly successful.
I pampered my husband. I gave him an Easter basket every year too. I never got one growing up and he didn’t either, so I started. One year he came home eating chocolate from another basket, and when I asked, he said he bought one for himself. Really. Never bought one before for ANYONE but happened to buy one for himself? Like I didn’t figure that one out??… it broke my heart to realize that he trivialized the things I did to pamper him. It doesn’t matter to me now that I know WHO HE IS…. but at the time I died b/c I wasn’t “good enough” for him.
Petite,
You are confusing affection and attention with intimacy. Intimacy comes from deep understanding and respect. Can’t mimic that. What he is trying to mimic is closeness, that’s not the same as intimacy either. He pretends closeness in order to gain goodies from you; you wouldn’t give them without it.
By blaming you (for language/cultural barrier) for not understanding, he is saying YOU are responsible. TRUTH is when someone is in a HEALTHY relationship, They WANT the other person to understand and will continue the conversation until they do.
Dismissing is AVOIDANT, and this personality disorder is an AVOIDANT personality disorder.
Petite,
You are mistaken that there is ANY woman who can make him happy for even a short time.
He is looking for an external repair to an internal emptyness. Even if a woman did everything right, he’d wonder if some other woman could do more and he’d ruin it. That’s if he didn’t become bored first.
Remember only small babies and toddlers expect someone else to fulfill their needs to the point of happiness. Babies and toddlers make terrible adults.
thanks Katy for explaining it to me.
I also felt that if I were in his place and a loved one could not understand things clearly I would explain and explain till the cows came home.
I am so glad Katy that you have been giving me all this good advice. you are so wise.
He just sent me a email, saying that he had a problem with his flight in London on his way to USA, which is now sorted out and he said – Darling, I miss you.
Is it normal for a guy to whom you have said that I need time, to write like this to the girl.
thanks
petite
hi Katy,
confusion again. you said – you are mistaken that there is ANY woman who can make him happy for even a short time.
does that mean that no one can make him happy, as he is always looking for more.
thanks for staying up till so late at night and giving me the much needed strength and advice.
petite.