Sometimes I like to revisit, churn all over again, a prior concern around sociopathy. A number of colleagues were recently stressing the defective quality of empathy in the more sociopathic clients they work with, while I found myself stressing the quality of remorselessness in the more sociopathic clients with whom I work (and have worked).
In my view, remorselessness is a much more serious indicator of sociopathy than lack of empathy per se. I know I’ve stated this in previous pieces, but well”¦here I go all over again.
Many people lack empathy for a great many reasons, depending on how one even defines empathy. But clearly this is true—many of us have a relatively difficult time emotionally stepping into another’s shoes and genuinely, emotionally inhabiting (as it were) his or her experience; that is, feeling their experience with them, for them.
I’d venture to say that a rather high percentage of the general population fails pretty badly at meeting this pretty classical criterion to be considered “empathic.” Of course, nothing is black and white: sometimes we find ourselves experiencing empathy in surprising circumstances, almost unaccountably; otherwise, sensing that empathy is clearly indicated in certain situations, we might find ourselves in suprisingly, uncomfortably short supplies of it?
And so the experience of pure empathy eludes many of us, perhaps even the majority of us, often”¦more often than we might even want to admit.
However, remorselessness is a whole different kettle of fish. A typical case involving a nonsociopath goes like this. One partner, a good communicator, says to her husband, “What you said to me last night in front of our company was humiliating. You have no idea, I’m guessing, how much that hurt me and pissed me off. If you ever do that again, I swear I may never forgive you.”
Her husband, if he’s really honest, might say, “You know what? I really don’t have any idea. I didn’t see, and still don’t, why what I said was that big a deal. I was trying to be funny. I didn’t think you’d take it so personally.”
This husband, we might say, lacks empathy. We don’t even need to know what he said that aroused his wife’s ire to surmise that, here, in this example, taken from a couples session I facilitated recently, he is demonstrating less than optimal empathy.
But he also added, sincerely, “I’m sorry. I am. I’m sorry I hurt you so much. I won’t do that again.”
His wife was only somewhat appeased by his apology because, while it expressed remorse, it didn’t reflect much, if any, empathy. And she wanted more than remorse. She wanted empathy.
I believe it is entirely possible, even common, to express remorse, sincerely, even in the absence of empathically appreciating the impact of the original behavior for which you are expressing the remorse. This is because, if you are not a sociopath, you can really feel bad for hurting someone even without quite understanding why what you did was so hurtful.
Now, in the example above, the partner chastised for his previous night’s insensitivity could have responded differently, reacting to his wife’s feedback with, “You know what? Too damned bad. So you felt hurt? Well”¦get over it.”
This would be a response not only lacking in empathy but also in remorse. As an isolated, occasionally defensive, hostile response, it wouldn’t necessarily suggest the presence of sociopathy; but as a patterned kind of remorseless reaction it may very well signal the presence of sociopathic tendencies.
In the vast majority of cases, the relatively non-empathic individual reacts with some form of true remorse upon learning he or she has been experienced as damaging, even if it comes as a real, confusing surprise to learn this. Again, the typical response might be along the lines of, “Really? I had no idea.” (reflecting defective empathy) “But I’m really sorry. I didn’t mean to hurt you like that.” (reflecting remorse).
Where remorse is missing from acts that have been experienced as hurtful, we find ourselves in much more seriously disturbed territory. Sociopaths, of course, may feign remorse, although many times not. But feigned, shallow remorse—remorse that serves his self-interest, not yours—is worth less than no remorse.
A chronic theme of weak, or absent, remorse is thus much more indicative of the sociopathically oriented individual than the measure of his empathy. Oddly enough weak, or even sometimes missing, empathy, doesn’t necessarily preclude some form of meaningful connection with another (although it won’t be empathically-based).
But weak, or missing, remorse fatally does preclude such a connection, ensuring only the possibility of a damaging, exploitive experience.
(This article is copyrighted © 2011 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is for convenience’s sake only, not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the attitudes and behaiors discussed.)
Hi Aussie,
any thoughts from you on how I can handle my grief over my loss of the good times with him and my still feeling addicted to him.
petite
Petite…soooo pleased to see you ‘survived’ it can’t have been easy for you. Unlike a lot of us on here you have been spared the harrowing hurt that spaths bring. Yes you will have doubts and be aching with the ‘what if’s’ but you have had a lucky escape believe me. Well done 🙂
Petitie,
I’m curious…..have you read any books on this subject by chance? I can’t believe that Oxy would not have recommended some to you that deals specifically with how spaths operate. It’s been very helpful to me.
I think a list is wise. Someone mentioned that to you here on this thread. A list of the rotten things he did and said.
Part of why he isn’t giving up is because you’re a target. It’s necessary to TRY VERY HARD, to switch his motives. Whenever you get an email like that and he says, “I miss you Darling”, flip it to his motive “I’m GOING to HOOK YOU, Darling”…also realize that in perceiving his motives correctly, they are NOT done from a perspective of love, but from the drama of the “chase” meaning he is a predator, Petite and predators will continue to monitor their prey until they are CAUGHT. That is EXACTLY what he’s doing. Didn’t you tell him you needed time as he left, or something of the sort? This is interesting and something else that I saw immediately: If you said you needed time, did you give him PERMISSION to continue contact? Because if you did not do so, his email is a BOUNDARY VIOLATION. SPaths are GREAT at doing this. He cannot fathom understanding how you feel, so it’s nothing to him to send you emails when you need space, another HUGE sign of spaths. LACK OF EMPATHY. He’s not out for you, Petitie, he’s out for himself. The more you reject him, the MORE he will pursue you because you’ve not really been “caught and hooked” the way HE wants you to be. So here’s another piece of advice.
You MUST go completely, TOTALLY, IRREVERSIBLY NC!!!
Even when I told mine, at first, that I wanted nothing to do with him, he CONTINUED to try to IM me, troll me until he realized that he was not going to get anything more from me. Then he easily moved on to his next victim. It’s just a game for them Petite.
You will NOT recover FULLY until you completely break from him.
I’ve had no contact with my spath for a month now. It is VERY painful, but I can tell you that thinking about hearing from him, scares the bejesus out of me because I KNOW what his motives would be. I use to have a sense of excitement when he would troll or try to contact, thinking he missed me. THat’s not so Petite. It’s all about control. There would never be a conversation that wasn’t about trying to get one over on me. This man is doing it to you too.
You’ve GOT to go NC. I know it’s hard, and it will hurt, but you just did something remarkable in having been face to face with this jerk and SEEING his evil before your very eyes. NC via email or anything else is just icing on the cake you baked.
Go NC Petite. Completely.
LL
Petit,
I agree with the above advice. I realize there may come a time you must see him at a conference and be cordial, but in the meantime, just don’t take calls from him or answer e mails. If it would make you feel better about being “rude” to him, I would suggest you must send him one e mail and say “I think it would be best if we don’t communicate because right now I am raw.” I know that leaves him an “out” to contact you later, but when later comes, you should have more strength and be in a better place emotionally to resist any further contact that can be avoided.
I know it will be quite some time (months at least or more?) before you would run into him at a professional conference and if and when that happens, you can just smile and greet him and keep on walking. In the meantime, I agree with LL, complete no contact with him. ((((hugs))))
Dear Petite. I was thinking about you lately and about your proceedings. I think that you can be VERY PROUD of yourself even if you do not feel that great at all at the moment (been there, done that 🙁 ).
It feels terrible the first time, and with me the big pain lasted about a month or so, the grieving of the loss of the IDEA of having the perfect soul mate, the possibility vanishing never to return, it was like craving and hurting physically as well, unpredictable tears even at work, I was lovesick and had to inform my boss about it!
Fortunately you have seen his inconsistencies and could start the grieving process WITH HIM, by trying to dissect his nonsense and make him mirroring HIM in YOU (and not vice versa), so you he could see HIS face for himself and got angry about (they do not like THAT, great move on your part!!)
The grief lasts much longer, and within me there was a shift from him towards all the other injuries I had in my life making me the perfect target (in fact he was the mirror for my blind spots, being my whole family who treated me as a scapegoat and cinderella and servant). I had to work on that too, which was very painful as well, and in the end I was greatful for having met HIM to see the REAL problems I had not the possibility to see (others had pointed these things to me but I was in very strong denial about it all). Now I can cope even with my parents and siblings, and not being put down too much because of my “new and improved” boundaries.
And please make no mistake: he will be back (like the terminator!) He has lost a battle, but war is not over yet! They hate to lose, and the best tactic is being boring, gray rock, not telling being raw (meaning that you are HURT; NEVER GIVE OUT THIS INFORMATION, PLEASE!) The conference was nice, and it was nice talking to him, but you are busy solving problems and have to hurry to another patient. He will understand, won’t he? And you must absolutely have a cup of tea sometime in the future when you meet at the next conference!
The thing with the “you do not understand our culture” is an absoute perfect example of double speak, put down, gaslighting and rudeness! (I have heard that sentence too and needed a translation!)
Meaning: You are still living in a cave or at last in the early middle ages, we are far more modern with our busy lifestyle! You have to learn a lot to keep up with me, my dear child; I will be your teacher! And your culture is far less than mine, by the way, IF you dare to say that you are CULTURED, peasant!
Thanks heavens and Oxy and your wits and common sense that you have let pass this goblet!
((((((HUGS)))))
And the addiction will pass as well (why not do some form of woodoo exorcism with one of his presents; emails? burn them and give the ashes in a river?)
AND IF YOU FEEL THE URGE TO CONTACT HIM, LF-Blogging is a wonderful instant remedy!
Hi LL, LIbelle and Oxy,
as we are in the same medical profession some work related emails are bound to be there.
there was no point to say no emails “in words” to him. I have thought about it and I can keep the emails very work related and boring. as Libelle said – just answer the email with whatever is pertaining to work and I will ignore the other crap.
In the past 3 months when I was emotional NC with him on emails, he noticed it right away als told me a few times when we met last wek – that “your emails are so business like, only few words. there are no sweet words”
Yes, I know those emails can be used to hook me, and I will think he is missing me, but with all this advice here and with how he deals with my concerns (by not giving adequate explanations), I will be able to ignore the crap in the emails.
Libelle, I do plan to delete all the old emails. the ones since past 3 months, I have been deleting right after answering them and not re-reading the sweet words again and again.
And as Oxy said there is no conference in my mind where I will be meeting for several months from now and if I feel after several months that I don’t want to go to the meeting, I will skip the conference. I have not made any plans at all even for myself attending meetings, so the pain of having to cancel plans and to backout does not exist.
one of the ways to protect myself and allow healing.
petite
Petitie!
NICE JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GOOD FOR YOU GIRLIE!! You’re going to be just fine!! I just know it!!
LL
thanks LL,
hope you are doing well. I miss him a lot, feel like erasing all the bad and only holding onto the good and being with him again.
I read on another thread- when this feeling arises, think of the inner strength that he depleted in you when he hurt you, will you have enough of it when he next hurts you, will you have that strength to keep handling hurt after hurt. it will not be possible and hence you have to not allow him to do so as being with him is allowing to hurt yourself again.
taking miniscule steps towards my healing process.
petite
Petitie……..Hun, I know it’s hurting you. I see that in your posts.
So when it does, just think of all the things he said to try to degrade you and to manipulate you into destroying you.
Seriously, Petite, I often wish I had had the intervention that you’ve had here as early in the relationshit that you have now. I may have avoided a much bigger catastrophe. In fact, I may well have. I have been on many other sites, but nothing like gives the descriptions this does in what I was dealing with, nor the amount of sharing and spot on behaviors.
Even five years ago would have been better than the last five have been.
You really DID dodge a bullet and I’m telling you that once the pain of this passes, you will be all the better for it and more prepared for a good man to come into your life.
You’re too good of a person for anything like him. Way too good.
LL
Petite,
I agree with Libelle, don’t tell him you are raw. No emotion is the only thing that drives them away. Be boring. Happiness attracts their envy and sadness attracts their sadistic side. When we are boring and just blend with the herd, we become invisible to them. They almost can’t even see us. Conversation can be business like or discuss your dry-cleaning and other mundane chores…seriously.
I have been thinking about the sociopathic stare and I think I know what it is. I get this look from children between ages of 1 and 3. They sort of gaze, unabashedly straight at your face with their big wide eyes. It’s natural for children. I always smile at them. Some smile back. Some just continue to stare. They are sizing you up, trying to read who you are.
As we grow older, we learn that it’s not polite to stare. But of course the sociopath never learns that. They have no respect for boundaries. In my opinion, the sociopathic stare is one of the first signs you’ll see, IF you can catch them. If they see you before you see them, you might miss it.