Sometimes I like to revisit, churn all over again, a prior concern around sociopathy. A number of colleagues were recently stressing the defective quality of empathy in the more sociopathic clients they work with, while I found myself stressing the quality of remorselessness in the more sociopathic clients with whom I work (and have worked).
In my view, remorselessness is a much more serious indicator of sociopathy than lack of empathy per se. I know I’ve stated this in previous pieces, but well”¦here I go all over again.
Many people lack empathy for a great many reasons, depending on how one even defines empathy. But clearly this is true—many of us have a relatively difficult time emotionally stepping into another’s shoes and genuinely, emotionally inhabiting (as it were) his or her experience; that is, feeling their experience with them, for them.
I’d venture to say that a rather high percentage of the general population fails pretty badly at meeting this pretty classical criterion to be considered “empathic.” Of course, nothing is black and white: sometimes we find ourselves experiencing empathy in surprising circumstances, almost unaccountably; otherwise, sensing that empathy is clearly indicated in certain situations, we might find ourselves in suprisingly, uncomfortably short supplies of it?
And so the experience of pure empathy eludes many of us, perhaps even the majority of us, often”¦more often than we might even want to admit.
However, remorselessness is a whole different kettle of fish. A typical case involving a nonsociopath goes like this. One partner, a good communicator, says to her husband, “What you said to me last night in front of our company was humiliating. You have no idea, I’m guessing, how much that hurt me and pissed me off. If you ever do that again, I swear I may never forgive you.”
Her husband, if he’s really honest, might say, “You know what? I really don’t have any idea. I didn’t see, and still don’t, why what I said was that big a deal. I was trying to be funny. I didn’t think you’d take it so personally.”
This husband, we might say, lacks empathy. We don’t even need to know what he said that aroused his wife’s ire to surmise that, here, in this example, taken from a couples session I facilitated recently, he is demonstrating less than optimal empathy.
But he also added, sincerely, “I’m sorry. I am. I’m sorry I hurt you so much. I won’t do that again.”
His wife was only somewhat appeased by his apology because, while it expressed remorse, it didn’t reflect much, if any, empathy. And she wanted more than remorse. She wanted empathy.
I believe it is entirely possible, even common, to express remorse, sincerely, even in the absence of empathically appreciating the impact of the original behavior for which you are expressing the remorse. This is because, if you are not a sociopath, you can really feel bad for hurting someone even without quite understanding why what you did was so hurtful.
Now, in the example above, the partner chastised for his previous night’s insensitivity could have responded differently, reacting to his wife’s feedback with, “You know what? Too damned bad. So you felt hurt? Well”¦get over it.”
This would be a response not only lacking in empathy but also in remorse. As an isolated, occasionally defensive, hostile response, it wouldn’t necessarily suggest the presence of sociopathy; but as a patterned kind of remorseless reaction it may very well signal the presence of sociopathic tendencies.
In the vast majority of cases, the relatively non-empathic individual reacts with some form of true remorse upon learning he or she has been experienced as damaging, even if it comes as a real, confusing surprise to learn this. Again, the typical response might be along the lines of, “Really? I had no idea.” (reflecting defective empathy) “But I’m really sorry. I didn’t mean to hurt you like that.” (reflecting remorse).
Where remorse is missing from acts that have been experienced as hurtful, we find ourselves in much more seriously disturbed territory. Sociopaths, of course, may feign remorse, although many times not. But feigned, shallow remorse—remorse that serves his self-interest, not yours—is worth less than no remorse.
A chronic theme of weak, or absent, remorse is thus much more indicative of the sociopathically oriented individual than the measure of his empathy. Oddly enough weak, or even sometimes missing, empathy, doesn’t necessarily preclude some form of meaningful connection with another (although it won’t be empathically-based).
But weak, or missing, remorse fatally does preclude such a connection, ensuring only the possibility of a damaging, exploitive experience.
(This article is copyrighted © 2011 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is for convenience’s sake only, not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the attitudes and behaiors discussed.)
When people drink alcohol, I think the lowering of inhibitions shows what they REALLY are. Lots of people can be “sweet” when they are sober, but that is a mask, when the booze goes in the mask goes down and you see the REAL person that is underneath the mask.
My Uncle Monster was a “great guy” when he was sober, but the REAL HIM came out when he was drunk and it was a BEAST, a MONSTER. He just didn’t have the cojones when he was sober to be what he would have liked to have been sober, but let the booze start talking and the real him came out.
I can’t sing for stink, but if I get a couple of drinks I THINK I can and boy, let me tell you, no one else thinks I can! LOL I have had people offer to pay me NOT to sing! LOL The point is though, when 100% sober I would never ever sing, but a couple of drinks disinhibits me to where I try to sing because I really would LIKE to sing. I actually enjoy singing, but don’t do it when others are around, I do sing in the shower or off by myself sober. So to me if someone is a nasty drunk, I figure they are really a nasty person sober too…just not guts enough to act it out.
Oxy,
I so get that. It was exPOS’ MO and one of the reasons I feel so incredibly angry.
He used alcohol to “lower my inhibitions” to have sex and not think about what was going on around me.
I disagree with you on this issue in a lot of ways though.
I was super giving, and even more “wonderful” while I was drunk.
Ex POS knew that.
Much more of a bitch when I was not (read: Able to assert boundaries A LOT better!).
I was just the way he wanted me when I drank WITH him….
But it was a waste of time, emotions and almost destroyed me.
What do you say about people who want out of it, Ox? Do you assume everyone who was’/is under the influence of alcohol with a spath is not someone who can come out of it? Is a lifelong habitual alcoholic? I GREATLY disagree with this!!
I did. I wanted out. Do you ever hear THAT part of it? Those that WANTED OUT of the hellish nightmare that alcohol is/was when with a spath?
It’s one of the major reasons I got out. I didn’t want to be like him and I didn’t WANT to lower my inhibitions to acccomodate his illness anymore.
IT scared the CRAP out of me!! How often do you hear that from someone who drank with a spath?
Probably not much. But I’m here to tell you, it DOES happen….
LL
LL, No, that is NOT what I am saying.
Actually, your inhibitions being lowered when you were drinking with him is normal, my inhibitions against singing are lowered if I drink alcohol. What I meant was that the person who would LIKE TO BE A JACK ASS TO OTHERS but doesn’t have the guts to do it when sober, (like my uncle monster) when their inhibitions are lowered by alcohol start to do the things they would LIKE TO DO when sober but can’t.
Who you drink WITH has no bearing to me on how or why your inhibitions are lowered, it is well known that people will do things when they are drunk that they wouldn’t do sober, whether it is have sex or beat someone up.
Setting boundaries when you were sober doesn’t mean you were a bitch, it just means that you were exercising good judgment, but not setting those same boundaries when you were drinking, because the alcohol dis-inhibited you is pretty normal. Lots of times we (people) use alcohol to “loosen up” to do things we might not have the “courage” to do if we were stone cold sober (like me singing LOL)
AA has a class of members they call “dry drunks” who are actually people who are still assholes even after they sober up. I think many of these people are also psychopaths, and them being sober only partly improves dealing with them.
Sometimes, I want to strangle myself for not making the obvious connection. There was a Jekyll – Hyde aspect (actually aspects, lol) regarding the x-spath’s treatment of me. In person he often did or said something odd, directly addressed to me. Yet on the phone, emails, text messages he was always very charming.
Me being the typical “victim,” I always blamed myself. I have finally figured out the connection – alcohol. All the times he was “covet aggressive” with me, he had been drinking.
BBEs,
Yep, that will do it, plus, when you are behind a computer screen or even on a phone, you can hide some of your intentions/attitudes since so much of communication is NON-verbal, and you can’t see the body language when he is on the phone.
But don’t strangle yourself kiddo, LOL BTW How are you doing lately? Hope your health continues to be good.
Ox;
Thanks. Things slowly get better and I am looking forward to a good spring!
Your comment about “dry drunks” is so true…
Good Morning ALL,
My sister sent me this in an email this morning—lifted my sprits, thought you might enjoy. Peace and have a wonderful day.
http://vimeo.com/16404771
That should be spirits. LOL
Hey Oxy,
I just read your post above about alcohol lowering inhibitions. Sure did for me, but I couldn’t CONTINUE with it because it SCARED me!! I think it’s a choice, ya know?
I totally agree with you about AA. This is why I DO NOT go. I’ve been to meetings with friends in the past who needed support and one for me and that about did it. I got more “come on’s” than I got “help” or support. I think AA is FULL of psychopaths!!! Not everyone of course,some really great people, but again, I think that it’s a place where some “newbies” are super vulnerable. Anyone in AA knows that and perfect breeding grounds for spathy.
I’m SO GLAD to be away from exspath and his alcoholism and the drinking, I”M SO GLAD!!! I don’t know how I survived that mess. Whenever I think about him now, that is one of the cornerstones to change my thinking. He’s an alcoholic and one of the requirements to be in a relationshit with him IS TO DRINK
YUCK!
LL
BBE,
That’s the weirdest thing….when my spath drank,he’d start early in the day on weekends, right after work week nights. Wine to vodka to wine. But I NEVER saw a BIG change in his behavior?? That always puzzled me. He could drink and drink and drink….and only cop a “buzz” the only time I could really tell he had been drinking was his type. He wasn’t anymore abusive than he was before he took a sip. He was bad when he was sober AND loaded….but he was so calm, I could never ever tell….except for type.
I wonder if anyone else here had that experience. I didn’t drink NEARLY as much as he could put away. It was always surprising to me. I wondered if it has anything to do with the lack of “feeling” per se.
LL