Sometimes I like to revisit, churn all over again, a prior concern around sociopathy. A number of colleagues were recently stressing the defective quality of empathy in the more sociopathic clients they work with, while I found myself stressing the quality of remorselessness in the more sociopathic clients with whom I work (and have worked).
In my view, remorselessness is a much more serious indicator of sociopathy than lack of empathy per se. I know I’ve stated this in previous pieces, but well”¦here I go all over again.
Many people lack empathy for a great many reasons, depending on how one even defines empathy. But clearly this is true—many of us have a relatively difficult time emotionally stepping into another’s shoes and genuinely, emotionally inhabiting (as it were) his or her experience; that is, feeling their experience with them, for them.
I’d venture to say that a rather high percentage of the general population fails pretty badly at meeting this pretty classical criterion to be considered “empathic.” Of course, nothing is black and white: sometimes we find ourselves experiencing empathy in surprising circumstances, almost unaccountably; otherwise, sensing that empathy is clearly indicated in certain situations, we might find ourselves in suprisingly, uncomfortably short supplies of it?
And so the experience of pure empathy eludes many of us, perhaps even the majority of us, often”¦more often than we might even want to admit.
However, remorselessness is a whole different kettle of fish. A typical case involving a nonsociopath goes like this. One partner, a good communicator, says to her husband, “What you said to me last night in front of our company was humiliating. You have no idea, I’m guessing, how much that hurt me and pissed me off. If you ever do that again, I swear I may never forgive you.”
Her husband, if he’s really honest, might say, “You know what? I really don’t have any idea. I didn’t see, and still don’t, why what I said was that big a deal. I was trying to be funny. I didn’t think you’d take it so personally.”
This husband, we might say, lacks empathy. We don’t even need to know what he said that aroused his wife’s ire to surmise that, here, in this example, taken from a couples session I facilitated recently, he is demonstrating less than optimal empathy.
But he also added, sincerely, “I’m sorry. I am. I’m sorry I hurt you so much. I won’t do that again.”
His wife was only somewhat appeased by his apology because, while it expressed remorse, it didn’t reflect much, if any, empathy. And she wanted more than remorse. She wanted empathy.
I believe it is entirely possible, even common, to express remorse, sincerely, even in the absence of empathically appreciating the impact of the original behavior for which you are expressing the remorse. This is because, if you are not a sociopath, you can really feel bad for hurting someone even without quite understanding why what you did was so hurtful.
Now, in the example above, the partner chastised for his previous night’s insensitivity could have responded differently, reacting to his wife’s feedback with, “You know what? Too damned bad. So you felt hurt? Well”¦get over it.”
This would be a response not only lacking in empathy but also in remorse. As an isolated, occasionally defensive, hostile response, it wouldn’t necessarily suggest the presence of sociopathy; but as a patterned kind of remorseless reaction it may very well signal the presence of sociopathic tendencies.
In the vast majority of cases, the relatively non-empathic individual reacts with some form of true remorse upon learning he or she has been experienced as damaging, even if it comes as a real, confusing surprise to learn this. Again, the typical response might be along the lines of, “Really? I had no idea.” (reflecting defective empathy) “But I’m really sorry. I didn’t mean to hurt you like that.” (reflecting remorse).
Where remorse is missing from acts that have been experienced as hurtful, we find ourselves in much more seriously disturbed territory. Sociopaths, of course, may feign remorse, although many times not. But feigned, shallow remorse—remorse that serves his self-interest, not yours—is worth less than no remorse.
A chronic theme of weak, or absent, remorse is thus much more indicative of the sociopathically oriented individual than the measure of his empathy. Oddly enough weak, or even sometimes missing, empathy, doesn’t necessarily preclude some form of meaningful connection with another (although it won’t be empathically-based).
But weak, or missing, remorse fatally does preclude such a connection, ensuring only the possibility of a damaging, exploitive experience.
(This article is copyrighted © 2011 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is for convenience’s sake only, not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the attitudes and behaiors discussed.)
Steve,
those are great points.
People with autism or asperger’s lack empathy, but are not necessarily spaths. I am very empathetic sometimes and yet find myself being narcissitic at others. Consistently lacking empathy is a good red flag but not necessarily a marker.
Lack of remorse, on the other hand, is difficult to assess because the spaths lie so much.
Mine sent me endless flowers and “I’m sorry” cards. But there was a TELL: he signed them, “the creep”.
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Eeuwww, Skylar, creepy.
Mine would often do what Steve used as an example, and use subtle and not so subtle put downs towards me in front of freinds, or embarass me in some other way. When I called him on it in private he would – with that flat vacant expressionless Spath style say “I will try to be more careful in the future”.
Not I am sorry, not, I don’t know why I said that, not I get why you are upset- just “more careful” . Meaning that his care would be forced, while the put down behavior would be supressed. How comforting. The next time he would do it again, only more so.
On the empath side, I remember being shocked at the way he gleefully, enthusiatically, almost lustfully watched my son being born by C section. He did not in any way flinch at the blood and gore but watched with relish, all the while totally ignoring me, and any discomfort or fear I had. He was watching a show, and I might as well have been a piece of furniture.
When I nursed him through, over the years, two heart attacks, two broken legs, and one cancer surgery, he had ZERO and I mean ZERO awareness of the stress and agony that I was going through- worrying about him, keeping the family going, taking care of everything while he was ill or recovering. Took me a long time to realize that he lacked any feeling whatsoever for what I was going through, not to mention gratitude for the efforts I made.
A red flag I should have heeded in the early love bombing days was when he took me horseback riding early on. I had ridden a bit before but was no expert. He was just a flat out careless cowboy on a horse. We went to a riding place in the early spring, and the owners said, – don’t use trail X- it is closed…use Y.
The first thing he did was take us down trail X, over my objections, then proceeded to ride into a semi frozen rocky creek, where the horses were crashing through the ice and slipping on the rocks. He went well ahead of me and never ONCE looked back to see if I was okay. My horse finally had had enough and tried to scramble up a muddy steep embankment to get out of the creek, slipping and almost crushing me underneath it.
He was totally nonplussed by any of this, had no sense of the danger he had put us in- no empathy for my distress, and certainly no remorse for his bad judgement.
I should have walked right then and there and never looked back. Instead I was just baffled at his recklessness.
Wirdly, I rationalized that kind of behavior by thinking, well he is tough- macho- and I am just a nervous nelly- or when he would be totally vacant and emotionless over some horrible mess or stress he had put us through, – well he is STRONG- or STOIC- and I am not as strong as he is.
Only much later did I finally learn that the crisis was always manufactured, and watching me stress- while he sat emotionless and mute- was a bloodsport for him- his method of abuse.
Soooo much better off without his twisted evil mean spirited BS.
Just the other day- I was writing a note, and realized for the first time that my handwriting was clear, consistent and quite elegant, effortless. This was significant, because during the years with him it was all confused, sometimes slanting one way and then the other, upper case and lower case switching around- very irregular. I knew this and could not fix it no matter how I tried.
That must have been my gut fighting with my head. Ha Ha.
Anyone else experience what I call the “booby trap” phenomena. This is where things are done to trick you up. I leave other peoples things alone around the house except if something is life threatening. X would always move my things without telling me. I sometimes spent hours looking for things which were not where I left them.
He would return my library books without telling me. I would be hunting for them then when he returned and was questioned he’d say “the date was up” since no fine was imposed there was not point to the activity except to scold me for being less than perfect. Didn’t he have anything of his own to attend to?
On a number of occasions I’d leave something in the car knowing I would need it next day and on several occasions drove a long way only to find the object missing when I arrived. He say ” I don’t know what you are on about I was only trying to tidy the car up” If I asked for paperwork or other things he would never give it to me directly he’d just leave it around and say ‘I put it there because you’d have to see it there’. Well duh! not necessarily. Once this backfired on him when he put an important letter under the band holding together a pile of mail I’d got ready for local mailbox distribution. He just “knew I’d see it there and mail if for him but there were several piles and that one did not end up a the top and it ended up in someone else’s mailbox. This particular event would have cured a normal person but not him. He would say he was “sorry” but never admit that I had reason to be annoyed. He’d just yawn and say “if you say so”.
These were all minor booby traps, some were much more dangerous and potentially physically harmful, but even these little things all add up to assaults on your autonomy and cause severe stress.
Skylar;
Your comment regarding Aspeger’s is spot on. I have a close family friend who fits the profile, although I have not discussed this matter with him directly as such.
He is currently in therapy and the other day I was having a discussion with him that left my head spinning a bit and I still don’t know if he is lacking in empathy or remose.
Regarding sociopathy, perhaps I am having a semantic problem but my view is the exact opposite of that stated in the article.
I view my x-spath as being able to express remorse to some degree but completely lacking in empathy. Thus, he is able to send an email stating he wants to end the relationship and this email has some indication of apology, yet the timing and delivery method show a complete lack of empathy.
In addition, in the period when I was still trying to maintain a friendship, one of his emails included a description of a drunken all-nighter with a “new friend.”
At the time, I was in denial of the implications. Nevertheless, no person with any empathy would send such an email, knowing I was not only very hurt over the end of our relationship, but still very much bed-ridden from illness.
Ox Drover;
I guess the news regarding your son’s parole is a relief, albeit for a very, very difficult situation.
BBE, Yes, it is a big relief—I can breath out again. How have you been? Good to see you back.l
Not sure that people with asperger’s lack empathy. They may not SHOW it..but they are very sensitive.
My daughter is aspergers. She is the most sweet, sensitive, loving child that I have. When she sees me upset, she does anything to try to make me happy. Even as a 3 yr old…when my x was picking on me and yelling at me…she would run into the room…stand between us with her arms out to separate us and say…”Mommy, I give you money”..and hand me 50 pennies she saved under her mattress! She feels EVERYTHING, which is what caused her meltdowns while young. She is hypersensitive.
However, if you saw her in Burger King, at 3 yrs old..yelling..with her speech impediment…”Everyone be tiet”..(quiet)…with her hands over her ears…and everyone in the entire place listened!!! LOL!!! It was like she was holding a shotgun!! And, if someone came too close to her…because she looked like a little porcelean doll, she would call them “stupid” and cover her face with her blanket or hat! lol
She will always be “different”. But she is very sensitive to others. If I yell at her younger sister…she pulls her away and tries to help resolve the problem…
So, I think asperger’s do empathize. Maybe too much.
Oxdrover;
Fine thank you. I took a break from here a bit until I saw a couple of topics that I could add to.
One more month to arbitration with the former employer. Perhaps a new consulting position in the works. Either one will allow me what I need to do most and that is get ut and do things.
How was your vacation?
BBE, turned out to be pretty miserable mostly, my best friend’s husband that I had not really reacted swith much is now retired instead of being on the road all the time….so she is mega depressed and he is an arse hole, so I ended up coming home after a verbal jab he made on me. Didn’/t complete cutting up his beef we had killed and hung to chill out, but was done with the snide remarks so the conseqence he got was he got to do it himself, not knowing how to do it. Gosh, I’m such a beech! LOL
tobehappy;
As I said, perhaps a terminology problem. But, does being hypersensitive mean being empathetic? How can a three year-old be or not be empathetic?
I would say my friend is sensitive, but nonempathetic and awkward. For example, he will feel “slighted” over little things, but then lecture you at inappropriate times, well after the fact…