Sometimes I like to revisit, churn all over again, a prior concern around sociopathy. A number of colleagues were recently stressing the defective quality of empathy in the more sociopathic clients they work with, while I found myself stressing the quality of remorselessness in the more sociopathic clients with whom I work (and have worked).
In my view, remorselessness is a much more serious indicator of sociopathy than lack of empathy per se. I know I’ve stated this in previous pieces, but well”¦here I go all over again.
Many people lack empathy for a great many reasons, depending on how one even defines empathy. But clearly this is true—many of us have a relatively difficult time emotionally stepping into another’s shoes and genuinely, emotionally inhabiting (as it were) his or her experience; that is, feeling their experience with them, for them.
I’d venture to say that a rather high percentage of the general population fails pretty badly at meeting this pretty classical criterion to be considered “empathic.” Of course, nothing is black and white: sometimes we find ourselves experiencing empathy in surprising circumstances, almost unaccountably; otherwise, sensing that empathy is clearly indicated in certain situations, we might find ourselves in suprisingly, uncomfortably short supplies of it?
And so the experience of pure empathy eludes many of us, perhaps even the majority of us, often”¦more often than we might even want to admit.
However, remorselessness is a whole different kettle of fish. A typical case involving a nonsociopath goes like this. One partner, a good communicator, says to her husband, “What you said to me last night in front of our company was humiliating. You have no idea, I’m guessing, how much that hurt me and pissed me off. If you ever do that again, I swear I may never forgive you.”
Her husband, if he’s really honest, might say, “You know what? I really don’t have any idea. I didn’t see, and still don’t, why what I said was that big a deal. I was trying to be funny. I didn’t think you’d take it so personally.”
This husband, we might say, lacks empathy. We don’t even need to know what he said that aroused his wife’s ire to surmise that, here, in this example, taken from a couples session I facilitated recently, he is demonstrating less than optimal empathy.
But he also added, sincerely, “I’m sorry. I am. I’m sorry I hurt you so much. I won’t do that again.”
His wife was only somewhat appeased by his apology because, while it expressed remorse, it didn’t reflect much, if any, empathy. And she wanted more than remorse. She wanted empathy.
I believe it is entirely possible, even common, to express remorse, sincerely, even in the absence of empathically appreciating the impact of the original behavior for which you are expressing the remorse. This is because, if you are not a sociopath, you can really feel bad for hurting someone even without quite understanding why what you did was so hurtful.
Now, in the example above, the partner chastised for his previous night’s insensitivity could have responded differently, reacting to his wife’s feedback with, “You know what? Too damned bad. So you felt hurt? Well”¦get over it.”
This would be a response not only lacking in empathy but also in remorse. As an isolated, occasionally defensive, hostile response, it wouldn’t necessarily suggest the presence of sociopathy; but as a patterned kind of remorseless reaction it may very well signal the presence of sociopathic tendencies.
In the vast majority of cases, the relatively non-empathic individual reacts with some form of true remorse upon learning he or she has been experienced as damaging, even if it comes as a real, confusing surprise to learn this. Again, the typical response might be along the lines of, “Really? I had no idea.” (reflecting defective empathy) “But I’m really sorry. I didn’t mean to hurt you like that.” (reflecting remorse).
Where remorse is missing from acts that have been experienced as hurtful, we find ourselves in much more seriously disturbed territory. Sociopaths, of course, may feign remorse, although many times not. But feigned, shallow remorse—remorse that serves his self-interest, not yours—is worth less than no remorse.
A chronic theme of weak, or absent, remorse is thus much more indicative of the sociopathically oriented individual than the measure of his empathy. Oddly enough weak, or even sometimes missing, empathy, doesn’t necessarily preclude some form of meaningful connection with another (although it won’t be empathically-based).
But weak, or missing, remorse fatally does preclude such a connection, ensuring only the possibility of a damaging, exploitive experience.
(This article is copyrighted © 2011 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is for convenience’s sake only, not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the attitudes and behaiors discussed.)
Ox. Thanks for the advice. Seems like you know exactly how it feels to be in this helpless place when it comes to friends. I do believe she is in denial.
I will stay in contact with her because I know she will have him back and I know he will destroy her all over again.
I even put in my text that he was a paedo cos he was viewing images of young people on an incest site (sicko)
But as you say she is not ready to listen….yet.
Thanks. My therapy went really well today and we talked about staying in the present. Past=sadness, future= fear. I’m not allowed to visit either right now, given the CIRCUMSTANCES. We practiced visualization, breathing, play acting (he was pretending to be spath, and had me focus on something in the room and to ignore him), that was an interesting exercise.
He’s very good. Staying in the present is the BIGGEST challenge for me right now. I like his approach because it isn’t just VERBALIZING what to do, but SHOWING how to do it.
Yep, there is fear. Lots. But, I’d rather just not think about it too much, or I’ll become overwhelmed with it all.
The idea is to get away from REACTING………staying in the present.
LL
Hey LL..
The guy sounds great. When I had my first split from the x, I was taking a bus ride to New York with my daughter. On the way, I was thinking…of the past….then the future.
I bought a book and read the entire book on the way home..
Eckhert Tolle..”The Power of Now”. I started practicing it immediately. THIS is what finally “healed” me and got rid of the PTSD symptoms.
The only time I “thought” about the past was when I was ready to journal. When the typing stopped…the thinking about it ended.
Amaziningly…I felt better. It was WORK…not going to say it wasn’t. When I drove in my car…I had to look around me ..focus on the here and now. I felt calm…and my negative thinking stopped.
He says that if we don’t control our minds…our minds will control us and drive us crazy.
Between E. Tolle and Byron Katie…my health and life has improved a thousand percent in the last year.
Its not easy…but posting and journalling helps so much.
Your therapist sounds great. You can reroute your neurons in your brain and you will be a different person…
I feel that I’m in the process of this everyday. I no longer need to impress anyone…I no longer like people I used to…I no longer attract sociopaths.
My neurons are different.
My health is great. I walked three and a half miles today!! Fast…It felt great!!
I’ve come a LONG way since Mid-2009….but it didn’t happen overnight. So….keep working on it LL….
Remember…anxiety is fear of something.
When you verbalize what you fear…you usually see that its a lie you are telling yourself anyway.
Hope this helps!
tobe,
Yep, he’s pretty awesome. And he did tell me it would absolutely be WORK. But not something I’m unwilling to do.
He wrote out the past, present, future stuff. Important things, not so important. That right now, I’m not to put myself into a position to think of ANYTHING other than just staying in the present.
It was so interesting how he SHOWED me how to do that. He also told me that that doesn’t mean NOT to continue to educate myself. “Read books!” I do that.
He also told me, “If you get stuck like you’ve been this last week, I don’t care if you have to call me nine times a day, call me when you get low like that, when you’re either ruminating on the past or future and tell me what you’re going to do about it….so in other words, “Therapist, I’m down, but I’m putting my shoes on and going for a walk” , or “Therapist, I’m going to the kitchen to get a glass of water, can you hear the water going into the glass?” LOL….great humor too. But I see his point. And I just may do that. I told him, “Um, you might be sorry you asked me to do that” LOL!
It’s okay though.
About the breast cancer thing. One more chemical to get through, but everything else is done. They know about the fibrocystic breasts, which I’ve had for years now, however, the radiologist and doctor believe that this looks cancerous so it’s about what to do now. I’m scared to death, really scared, but at the same time, I’m just trying to stay in the present about it. I cried for awhile, then I saw my therapist…..and still working to stay in the present. No exposing myself to anything that is toxic or that doesn’t appeal to the gaining of knowledge, again reading, etc. I told him about this site too and he told me to def keep blogging away, all the advice is right on and stimulates the mind for thought in educating myself further.
Anyway, got off subject, but I realized, as we were talking today that staying in the present has been VERY difficult for me. That obsessing about past/future has almost an addictive quality to it. We WILL have to visit my traumas, and he’s in this as am I for the long haul, but right now, his focus and mine need to be in the PRESENT…until I can handle all the rest. And that is NOT right now.
So tobe, just learning to SIT with it. I’m getting more of what that looks like too.
LL
I had some “masses” too in both breasts a year ago. I went back for another mammo a year later and they are gone!!
I swear…its mind control.
STRESS kills us…and physically.
So, its important to learn to relax..whatever it takes.
I hope you are ok!!
When I started to “stress” about the x…not trusting him..thats when I said to myself…”I don’t need this”….I will NOT allow another human being affect MY life in a negative way.
Remember: “Worry is using your imagination to create something you don’t want”.
You cannot have a feeling without a thought..
THOUGHT>Feeling……Action
In the 3 yrs on and off…that I was involved with the x….I had so many things wrong with me. Whenever we broke up…for the 5 months I went NC….I felt great!! Go figure.
So…as Farrah Fawcett say…”Life is temporary….so live it up”.
NO time to waste on losers……
I cut my lossess….and I’m moving forward!!!
Its all about ME now.
What an attitude, huh?
Gotta stay strong for my girls…thats all.
Dear LL,
You are starting to SOUND SANE!!!! Good for you!!!! I’m glad that you have gone to this therapist and it is a good thing to get some outside (of yourself) ideas to put to use. Keep focusing on the NOW, and on the calming BREATHS!
One of the things we can do is that if we are thinking about the NOW the mind is NOT able to think about something else at the same time. It is like your computer, but it can only have ONE file open at a time, so if you “open a file” it MUST SHUT DOWN ALL OTHERS, so even if you must oplen a file of singing “mary had a little lamb, mary had a little lamb” OVER AND OVER AND OVER, you can’t think of something else at the same time. LOL
I’ve used that technique many times just to get through the minute (much less the hour!) so do whatever you have to do to get through each minute of each day in the NOW!
Ox,
Thanks. Whenever I see him, I feel more sane. He validates me and helps me soooooooooooooooo much in so many ways. Extremely perceptive and insightful too. We’re also working on the “mistakes” factor. I was overwhelmed this week and didn’t know how to handle it, except to react. One of the things that has really bothered me is that whenever I get stressed or overwhelmed, I use to call spath. Of course he loved this because he could use yet another vulnerability to kick my ass with. Go figure. I think that’s why i was thinking SO much about him this week. The longing and stuff, fueling my depression.
My therapist is encouraging me not to kick my own ass if I make a mistake in the process….just pick up slowly, dust off and put my feet back on the ground.
One of the things that was so cool, was that he was doing this snapping of the fingers thing to slow my mind down during session while talking. It was amazing to me how it worked. Then he’d say “How do you feel now, on a scale of one to ten?” “Ten”, I said, “Very good, he said! That’s because you are IN THE PRESENT, see how much better you feel WHEN YOU”RE IN THE PRESENT….kept snapping his fingers…..now, let me switch that. Think of a trauma from your childhood….BOOM, my mood changed instantly….”NOw how do you feel one to ten”….”one” i said…..”VERY GOOD” he said…you see how quickly YOUR THINKING switched and going either to the past or the present CHANGED YOUR MOOD AND FOCUS? We are NOT working on the past or future right now. You’re not ready for that yet, we’re just learning how to STAY in the present…..of course, as he’s telling me this, the snapping of the fingers and the 1 2 3 4 breathing in and out slowly…..it works. But it IS work. He said it would be for awhile. Because I may be facing a major illness, along with all the additional trauma, it’s too overwhelming to go to the past or to the future, yet I”m suppose to continue to educate myself about spaths and about trauma. Even a lively debate about it is good, because it stimulates NORMALITY of something that was ABNORMAL.
I’m really, REALLY REALLY blessed to have this therapist. He’s very very good!
Oh, Ox, he said that to me almost word for word “Is that if we are thinking about the NOW, the mind is NOT able to think about something else at the same time”.
Yep.
LL
tobe,
I’ve had two masses in my left breast for some time now, IE: Fibrocystic breasts. No biggie. But I felt yet another lump, that had grown some, and then my doc found another. I thought it was just the fibrocystic thang going on….but it’s not this time.
I”m amazed at technology these days. What they see and how they determine it. It’s even more advanced than a few years ago. That’s really good though, because the chances of catching it early are better.
I’m remaining hopeful. It’s taking time to absorb the information. Doing it slowly like the therapist said. Just a little at a time is all I can do right now.
LL
LL, I’m glad that you are starting to get some concrete stuff to use as a tool to help you focus on the NOW, and it is like eating an elephant, you can ONLY DO IT ONE BITE AT A TIME. There is no way you can cram the whole thing in your mouth.
In fact, in your life you have probably eaten 2-3 whole cows (if you eat meat at all) and hundreds of chickens, but you did it one bite at a time. One cow= about 1200 hamburgers so depending on your age and how much meat you eat there isn’t really any telling just how many cows you’ve eaten. I’ve eaten a bunch but now limit my meat to less than half a pound (2 small hamburgers per day of VERY lean meat) about 7 ounces so it is going to take me a lot longer to “eat a cow” now than it did, but I will still do it ONE BITE AT A TIME. No way we can “eat a whole” cow all at once, so with the problems we have we must eat them A BITE AT A TIME as well, can’t cram it all in our mouths (minds) at once.
Denial (on the short term) helps us do just that, so SHORT TERM it is a good state to be in, but LONG term it keeps us from taking steps to FIX the problems. I think maybe you’ve been in denial for a long time (like the 10 years you were involved with this guy) but now coming out of denial and facing all the problems at once is pretty OVERWHELMING, but you CAN face them a bite at a time…so just stay in the “now” for the present and don’t over whelm yourself. I think your therapist is doing a great job. Have you started on your antidepressants? I suggest that if it is your family doctor prescribing your antidepressants that you also see if you can’t get an appointment with a psychiatrist as well as your therapist. While most family docs have the ability to Rx psych medications, I find that many of them really don’t know anywhere as much as a psychiatrist does about the RIGHT antidepressants and they are NOT all created equal. Plus, there are lots of new information coming out and in such a field I think a specialist is better than a general practitioner. Just like I am going to an orthopedic doc tomorrow for my heel spur and not my very good internist.
Oxy…go on EZORB.com
I ordered the “calcium” in powder and pill.
It guaranteed to stop the pain of a ‘heel spur’, which, btw, isn’t the thing that hurts. Its the “plantar faceitis” that hurts.
Anyway…it was GONE in 3 days. NO pain!! Never came back.
And, I sufferred for a year with it..had to wear those clogs that doctors where…..
If it doesn’t get rid of it..you get your money back.
Worked for ME~~
LL….SO glad you sought professional help and got a good one.
I HIGHLY recommend PROFESSIONAL help for anyone going through a truama~~~ even if its only a few months~~
If it wasn’t for mine…I wouldn’t be where I am today.
If you need heart surgery…don’t you want a PROFESSIONAL to fix it???
Same thing.
People are so adamant about doing it alone!
If you think you can truly overcome anything like this on your own…then fine. But, “I” needed a lot of help when I hit rock bottom!