Sometimes I like to revisit, churn all over again, a prior concern around sociopathy. A number of colleagues were recently stressing the defective quality of empathy in the more sociopathic clients they work with, while I found myself stressing the quality of remorselessness in the more sociopathic clients with whom I work (and have worked).
In my view, remorselessness is a much more serious indicator of sociopathy than lack of empathy per se. I know I’ve stated this in previous pieces, but well”¦here I go all over again.
Many people lack empathy for a great many reasons, depending on how one even defines empathy. But clearly this is true—many of us have a relatively difficult time emotionally stepping into another’s shoes and genuinely, emotionally inhabiting (as it were) his or her experience; that is, feeling their experience with them, for them.
I’d venture to say that a rather high percentage of the general population fails pretty badly at meeting this pretty classical criterion to be considered “empathic.” Of course, nothing is black and white: sometimes we find ourselves experiencing empathy in surprising circumstances, almost unaccountably; otherwise, sensing that empathy is clearly indicated in certain situations, we might find ourselves in suprisingly, uncomfortably short supplies of it?
And so the experience of pure empathy eludes many of us, perhaps even the majority of us, often”¦more often than we might even want to admit.
However, remorselessness is a whole different kettle of fish. A typical case involving a nonsociopath goes like this. One partner, a good communicator, says to her husband, “What you said to me last night in front of our company was humiliating. You have no idea, I’m guessing, how much that hurt me and pissed me off. If you ever do that again, I swear I may never forgive you.”
Her husband, if he’s really honest, might say, “You know what? I really don’t have any idea. I didn’t see, and still don’t, why what I said was that big a deal. I was trying to be funny. I didn’t think you’d take it so personally.”
This husband, we might say, lacks empathy. We don’t even need to know what he said that aroused his wife’s ire to surmise that, here, in this example, taken from a couples session I facilitated recently, he is demonstrating less than optimal empathy.
But he also added, sincerely, “I’m sorry. I am. I’m sorry I hurt you so much. I won’t do that again.”
His wife was only somewhat appeased by his apology because, while it expressed remorse, it didn’t reflect much, if any, empathy. And she wanted more than remorse. She wanted empathy.
I believe it is entirely possible, even common, to express remorse, sincerely, even in the absence of empathically appreciating the impact of the original behavior for which you are expressing the remorse. This is because, if you are not a sociopath, you can really feel bad for hurting someone even without quite understanding why what you did was so hurtful.
Now, in the example above, the partner chastised for his previous night’s insensitivity could have responded differently, reacting to his wife’s feedback with, “You know what? Too damned bad. So you felt hurt? Well”¦get over it.”
This would be a response not only lacking in empathy but also in remorse. As an isolated, occasionally defensive, hostile response, it wouldn’t necessarily suggest the presence of sociopathy; but as a patterned kind of remorseless reaction it may very well signal the presence of sociopathic tendencies.
In the vast majority of cases, the relatively non-empathic individual reacts with some form of true remorse upon learning he or she has been experienced as damaging, even if it comes as a real, confusing surprise to learn this. Again, the typical response might be along the lines of, “Really? I had no idea.” (reflecting defective empathy) “But I’m really sorry. I didn’t mean to hurt you like that.” (reflecting remorse).
Where remorse is missing from acts that have been experienced as hurtful, we find ourselves in much more seriously disturbed territory. Sociopaths, of course, may feign remorse, although many times not. But feigned, shallow remorse—remorse that serves his self-interest, not yours—is worth less than no remorse.
A chronic theme of weak, or absent, remorse is thus much more indicative of the sociopathically oriented individual than the measure of his empathy. Oddly enough weak, or even sometimes missing, empathy, doesn’t necessarily preclude some form of meaningful connection with another (although it won’t be empathically-based).
But weak, or missing, remorse fatally does preclude such a connection, ensuring only the possibility of a damaging, exploitive experience.
(This article is copyrighted © 2011 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is for convenience’s sake only, not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the attitudes and behaiors discussed.)
Erin, we also posted over each other, glad that you did consult an attorney and I would follow through with that. ALSO I would tape record any meetings with the HR and/or supervisors etc. so that there is a record of what is said and by whom. You are right, they will try to sweep it under the carpet. Don’t let them. Hang tough! (((hugs)))
erin –
One/joy and tobehappy are right.
As my workplace union delegate and as a former union official I have mediated and represented several workers in situations just like yours (without the “guns” though – that is just a DISGUSTING rumour to peddle, I am outraged for you!).
Regardless of what your supervisor has promised you, you must cover your own butt. Do not rely on anyone else to do their job properly, because you are bound to be disappointed.
Consider – there are several possibilities here (without trying to sound too paranoid, just being realistic):
1) your supervisor will handle things just as promised and justice will be served (UNLIKELY)
2) your supervisor will handle things just as promised but justice will NOT be served by somebody higher up the food chain ( more LIKELY)
3) your supervisor will NOT handle things just as promised and justice will NOT be served (also LIKELY)
4) your supervisor is “in on it” and is actually not your ally at all (sadly possible)
5) your supervisor has orchestrated the whole thing or has invented the entire drama for malicious reasons of her own
(also a possibility)
You can’t afford to second-guess anyone where your own welfare and reputation are at risk. If your supervisor truly is a good person and on your side, she will not be offended at your taking this stance. Remain calm and matter of fact. You can not afford to let this sort of thing go through to the keeper; in this case, you must be your own keeper.
You need to do these things –
Diarise everything – keep records of dates/times/places/people/who said what.
Seek out the workplace policy on harrassment/slander etc. and get yourself copies of the relevant documentation.
Find the legislation that protects you in this instance – there is usually Federal (whole of country), State and specific Industrial (for your industry/line of work) law pertaining to matters of this sort – get yourself copies of these and READ them.
If your shop steward or union delegate is approachable, ask them for their help in looking up the policy and legislative stuff.
WRITE directly to the supervisor who interviewed you, outlining exactly what took place (include exact dates/times) and what your response (clinical/matter-of-fact/unemotional) to the accusations is. Say that you have sought legal advice as you believe that workplace policy may have been breached (if you manage to find specific clauses of any policy that have been violated, write something like, “…this is in direct violation of clause 24(a)(ii) of the XXXXX Act and as such was illegal”, and demand the names of anyone who allegedly passed the “information” about you on to that supervisor (even if they are not the ringleader, chances are that someone will hand over the ringleader to save their own neck)
“CC” a copy to the supervisor’s direct superior, another copy to whichever union represents your workplace (if applicable) and a third copy to the board of directors of the workplace (if applicable).
DO NOT WORRY about looking “silly”, or feel embarrassed about lots of people knowing about what has been said about you.
It’s a blatant lie, right? So how could it possibly reflect on you?
The more people who know about it and who know that YOU ARE SERIOUS ABOUT CALLING TO TASK WHOEVER IS BEHIND THIS, the less these people (or others) will mess with you.
Don’t agree to any “secret deals” or “behind closed doors” discussions. Keep everything out on the table and in clear and irrevocable sight. This will prevent the kind of “carpet-sweeping” that all too often fails to satisfactorily resolve issues such as this.
Take deep breaths and try not to get emotional about it – just focus and be calm and logical and relentless. Do not take “no” for an answer.
Answer rejections and attempts to shut you up with , “Nevertheless, I need you to…….”
Continue to smile and do your job to the best of your ability – don’t hook into the negativity.
Oxy and I just posted over one another then! LOL.
There is a lot you can get done YOURSELF without paying an attorney. By all means CONSULT and tell your workplace that you have sought legal advice from an attorney who is primed and ready to go at your command, but especially if funds are tight, do whatever you are able to do on your own.
This is important for three reasons –
1) attornies are expensive and you may not be able to afford one at all or not for the whole thing;
2) your workplace colleagues will not be so quick to take you on if they see you being STRONG FOR YOURSELF (knowledge is power – read whatever you have to read to understand where you stand legally in all of this);
3) THE MOST IMPORTANT THING OF ALL – if you can do some or all of this yourself, you will make yourself so much stronger (not just for this issue but it will impact every aspect of your life and your dealings with others; trust me because I’ve done it and I know; and I teach others to do it all the time as part of my job).
When we stand up for ourselves – calmly, rationally and with determination – we EMPOWER ourselves more than we realise.
Nolarn,
You said,
“You see, calling the police for something that is NOT true would only get them charged with filing a false police report and perjury.”
I wish that were true.
My spath made friends with all the cops on the tiny island police force and several in the adjacent county. That’s his M.O. now, he finds corrupt cops where ever he goes and keeps them in his pocket. Seattle, and 2 counties.
So when he chose to tell the neighbor that he/I had killed myself (not sure if he killed me or I killed myself) and that my body was chopped up and placed in garbage bags, then dumped into a well And she, the neighbor, called the police (that didn’t happen either, she was actually in on it and called the police pretending to be afraid of him) The cops simply joined in on harrassing me, calling me and demanding that I come in from 80 miles away and respond to their childish antics to prove I was alive. I did not. They sent Seattle Police to my parents’ home and my parents told them I was fine. No one ever saw me alive or dead. The matter was dropped.
Then I contacted the Sherrif of that County and gave him the audio recording of my spath ADMITTING that he was going to “fuck with the cops and with the spath neighbor woman” and detailing what he would do and what I was supposed to do in response. The Sherrif said, “oh yeah, I was in the neighborhood and responded to that call myself with the deputies, I’ll have one of my deputies take a look.”
NO ONE CALLED ME.
I sent emails and made phone calls. No one responded.
The sheriff is an elected official. But the spath must’ve had him by the balls.
This police department has a long history of shady characters. A previous sheriff went out fishing with his best friend and that “friend” drowned. That sherrif married the wealthy widow and is now living in luxury in a high rise in Seattle.
I could go on and on.
Just saying: TRUST NOBODY. ASSUME NOTHING. THINK LIKE A SPATH. They always plan their escape strategy.
Oh what the hell! Erin, I’m so worked up for you and writing these sorts of things is my bread and butter: it doesn’t stress me out, I THRIVE on it (passionate for social justice and all that jazz)…
If you would be comfortable with it, please ask Donna for my email address and I’ll get all the gorey details and write it for you…
My blood is boiling and my fingers want to bash the keyboard for you…. (Call now, our receptionists are standing by…)
🙂
2bcop,
I’m so sorry you’re having to go through this. I went through something very similar last year when exPOS was outted and had to go before an Administrative Judge to get his job back, he won by the way…
I allowed myself to be sucked in and exploited so he could get his job back. I GOT EMOTIONAL!!!
If there is one thing here I see over and over in posts, very good advice about it all, is the MOST important thing, even though you feel pissed off and upset……..
DO NOT, WHATEVER YOU DO, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, LOSE YOUR EMOTIONAL FOOTING!! This is VERY spathy behavior by these bitches. DO NOT RESPOND EMOTIONALLY, cry into your pillow at night, whatever you have to do to get it out emotionally, but be absolutely one hundred percent UNEMOTIONAL with anyone else about this. Just the facts, ma’am.
I know you get that.
Be a cop here, 2b, even in your own situation.
Be a cop.
LL
Ya’ll thanks for being so supportive but I got news for you, I already cried and they saw it. They got just what they wanted in that respect. I am just so fed up with people fucking with me. I went throught SO freakin much healing from my ex and now I get this freaking BS heaped on top of me. There is NO ONE I can trust. Should I just go to HR and not tell any of the supervisors that I’m doing it then? Hell this supervisor lady could have instigated this entire thing because she is pretty crazy herself and we have never had a great relationship. I don’t trust her or the two managers above her. I used to trust one of them but now I’m not so sure. My stepmom said that if I bring HR in that I should be prepared for an adversarial relationship with my supervisors and I know that I should go up the chain of command but I don’t trust them to help me and this is my livelihood.
GO AUSSIE!!!
YES!
GO NOLARN!
YES!
Ok, now I have to calm down too.
this is such typical spath bullshit.
We do have to stay calm. They do what they do JUST to see our emotions on our faces. Don’t give any of them that.
nolarn2bcop –
That’s okay. Just stay unemotional from now on. You need to kick into self-protect mode.
Anyhow, if you want my help, you know what to do. xxxxx
Sky –
You silly twit!!! 🙂
I could hear you cheering from here and I could damn near see the pom-poms twirling!!!
(It DOES make one’s blood boil, though, doesn’t it?)
xxx