Sometimes I like to revisit, churn all over again, a prior concern around sociopathy. A number of colleagues were recently stressing the defective quality of empathy in the more sociopathic clients they work with, while I found myself stressing the quality of remorselessness in the more sociopathic clients with whom I work (and have worked).
In my view, remorselessness is a much more serious indicator of sociopathy than lack of empathy per se. I know I’ve stated this in previous pieces, but well”¦here I go all over again.
Many people lack empathy for a great many reasons, depending on how one even defines empathy. But clearly this is true—many of us have a relatively difficult time emotionally stepping into another’s shoes and genuinely, emotionally inhabiting (as it were) his or her experience; that is, feeling their experience with them, for them.
I’d venture to say that a rather high percentage of the general population fails pretty badly at meeting this pretty classical criterion to be considered “empathic.” Of course, nothing is black and white: sometimes we find ourselves experiencing empathy in surprising circumstances, almost unaccountably; otherwise, sensing that empathy is clearly indicated in certain situations, we might find ourselves in suprisingly, uncomfortably short supplies of it?
And so the experience of pure empathy eludes many of us, perhaps even the majority of us, often”¦more often than we might even want to admit.
However, remorselessness is a whole different kettle of fish. A typical case involving a nonsociopath goes like this. One partner, a good communicator, says to her husband, “What you said to me last night in front of our company was humiliating. You have no idea, I’m guessing, how much that hurt me and pissed me off. If you ever do that again, I swear I may never forgive you.”
Her husband, if he’s really honest, might say, “You know what? I really don’t have any idea. I didn’t see, and still don’t, why what I said was that big a deal. I was trying to be funny. I didn’t think you’d take it so personally.”
This husband, we might say, lacks empathy. We don’t even need to know what he said that aroused his wife’s ire to surmise that, here, in this example, taken from a couples session I facilitated recently, he is demonstrating less than optimal empathy.
But he also added, sincerely, “I’m sorry. I am. I’m sorry I hurt you so much. I won’t do that again.”
His wife was only somewhat appeased by his apology because, while it expressed remorse, it didn’t reflect much, if any, empathy. And she wanted more than remorse. She wanted empathy.
I believe it is entirely possible, even common, to express remorse, sincerely, even in the absence of empathically appreciating the impact of the original behavior for which you are expressing the remorse. This is because, if you are not a sociopath, you can really feel bad for hurting someone even without quite understanding why what you did was so hurtful.
Now, in the example above, the partner chastised for his previous night’s insensitivity could have responded differently, reacting to his wife’s feedback with, “You know what? Too damned bad. So you felt hurt? Well”¦get over it.”
This would be a response not only lacking in empathy but also in remorse. As an isolated, occasionally defensive, hostile response, it wouldn’t necessarily suggest the presence of sociopathy; but as a patterned kind of remorseless reaction it may very well signal the presence of sociopathic tendencies.
In the vast majority of cases, the relatively non-empathic individual reacts with some form of true remorse upon learning he or she has been experienced as damaging, even if it comes as a real, confusing surprise to learn this. Again, the typical response might be along the lines of, “Really? I had no idea.” (reflecting defective empathy) “But I’m really sorry. I didn’t mean to hurt you like that.” (reflecting remorse).
Where remorse is missing from acts that have been experienced as hurtful, we find ourselves in much more seriously disturbed territory. Sociopaths, of course, may feign remorse, although many times not. But feigned, shallow remorse—remorse that serves his self-interest, not yours—is worth less than no remorse.
A chronic theme of weak, or absent, remorse is thus much more indicative of the sociopathically oriented individual than the measure of his empathy. Oddly enough weak, or even sometimes missing, empathy, doesn’t necessarily preclude some form of meaningful connection with another (although it won’t be empathically-based).
But weak, or missing, remorse fatally does preclude such a connection, ensuring only the possibility of a damaging, exploitive experience.
(This article is copyrighted © 2011 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is for convenience’s sake only, not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the attitudes and behaiors discussed.)
BTW –
Has anyone heard from notcrazee???
I still haven’t seen her post and I’m still a bit worried about her…
Hi Ausie,
I am also worried about SInotcrazee,
have not seen her post for a while.
Aussieg – do you have some words of wisdom for me, how do I tackle the memories of the good times, losing the dream, his finding the next lovebomb to give her the dream.
Oxy has given me sound advice though you know we like to hear it more often.
I have deleted all his emails, photos, even from the recycle bin and small items we bought when on conferences I put them in a bag and behind everything in the top shelf of my wardrobe. Rather than have them on my study table or showcase shelf.
petite
Aussie-thanks so much. I just emailed Donna. I really appreciate that so much. I’m overwhelmed right now. I had just been so focused on trying to transfer the hell out of there from the misery before this happened today and was waiting to here from the manager from another dept to see if I was going to get another position and was looking into a job at another hospital as well. I’m just waiting for calls and now this. I have to try and sleep now since I am on call on night tonight and I have to be back there at 07:00am. THis makes me not want to go to work SO much more than before. I guess I will try really hard now at my America’s Got Talent audition next weekend in Houston. Maybe I’ll get a break!
Hi Sky and LL,
posting here as the other thread is too long to load.
petitie.
Hi Sky,
you are right, we were addicted to be puppets of someone, for someone to love us, yearn for us and we fell into the hands of deceit.
what is the solution ”“ listen to readers at LF who have dealt with these jerks and have important take home messages for us, look at the good inside ourselves and remind ourselves that we can feel good and do not need the lovebombing and words from these jerks telling us that we are good, worthwhile etc.
Hi LL,
I know you are at your lowest points now and all seems so dismal.
Look at it this way ”“ God has sent you an angel in the form a good therapist, many angels on the LF site to lift you every time you feel low, you don’t know how blessed you are to have a therapist who tells you”call me whenever you feel donw”
Also this medical problem is God’s way of making you look at the big picture “your health” As just talking to us, posting on LF and therapy may not be enough, he is directing you to the bigger problem, so as to make the misery with S die a natural death faster than you expect it too.
have patience, have faith, things will be brighter for you. They already are ”“ with the progress you have made on NC.
Consider yourself lucky to have a good therapist in contrast to some here who have no access to therapy.
stay positive dear LL.
petite
Petite –
“how do I tackle the memories of the good times, losing the dream, his finding the next lovebomb to give her the dream.”
Recognise “good times” for what they were – a mean, dirty, lowdown trick. Fantasy. One-way street. Like watching a movie – you watched it, it seemed real for a while, but it’s finished now and it’s time to flick the switch to “off”.
You have not lost the dream – the dream is YOURS to keep. The things you long for are normal and good; there’s no reason to not keep hold of what you want in your life. It just doesn’t involve HIM. Same movie, wrong actor, that’s all.
The next lovebomb is not getting her dream either, for all of the same reasons you did not get yours. She has signed on for a nightmare. Like you, she too will wake up one day. Do not envy her – she deserves nothing but our pity.
Thanks Aussieg,
as you know the large part of the dream was him being a part of the dream, the lovely, balanced, sharing of life with someone who had intellectual compatibility with you, same profession, better understanding of each other.
Can I think of it as – even though he had the above, he had a huge negative, he was a fraud, a fraud who I wished would change to a honest man, however, being disordered it would not happen.
Can i think that I unknowingly signed a life of happiness with a disordered man who was incapable of giving me the emotional maturity we need in a healthy relationship and he will change for no one.
petite
Petitie,
You’re GRAND chica!! I think a little further ahead than I right now. I think I got stuck in cancer mode LOL! Oh well…
I got to thinking how important it would be to me to have a “man” be there for me while sick….but he was never there for me before…oh sure, he bought and brought me medicine, even flowers when I was sick before, but he didn’t get near me and didn’t stick around….
I remember a story he told me of his ex wife while they were dating that I’ve thought of over and over today…she had menstrual problems during their dating relationshit, bad cramps and such, so he’d be with her while she was suffering and put a washcloth on her head and soothe her (Dumbass-get the effing heating pad out!), anyway..I imagine he’s doing this to new love bomb now……..now that he’s single
But it was never anything he did for me while I was ill. He never held me, loved me……made me feel like he loved me…….
But he always made sure he coudl do this for someone else.
Right now, those messages are so clear and painful…….
I”ve had a few friends tonight, reach out to me to support after I gave them the news.
I trust them all with my life……
Two of them are also cancer survivors.
I need to be positive now.
Even though I’m just newly out of exPOS relationshit and trying to sort that through too.
Has anyone here had a core needle biopsy with ultrasound? Does it hurt?
Mine is this Tuesday. Really scared.
thanks Petitie. I hope you can come to Oregon sometime soon.
LL
LL,
don’t worry, they will give you a local anesthetic and there will be no pain.
you will be fine.
I am going to spend time with my Mom + sister, they live in another country, maynot be on the LF site from Sat for 1 week.
LL – my prayers are with you.
petite
I had a core needle biopsy about 8 years ago.
I don’t really remember it being painful.
During the procedure I started crying
because I was so scared, nervous and freaked out.
I think that was more upsetting than the actual biopsy!
You will be fine!!!
HI SC, noce to know you are awake.
I miss him so much. even after all his word salad, nonsense and lack of emathy, why do I miss him so much.
even though I know he does not treat women any better than toy dolls, why, why, why do I miss him.
petite.