Sometimes I like to revisit, churn all over again, a prior concern around sociopathy. A number of colleagues were recently stressing the defective quality of empathy in the more sociopathic clients they work with, while I found myself stressing the quality of remorselessness in the more sociopathic clients with whom I work (and have worked).
In my view, remorselessness is a much more serious indicator of sociopathy than lack of empathy per se. I know I’ve stated this in previous pieces, but well”¦here I go all over again.
Many people lack empathy for a great many reasons, depending on how one even defines empathy. But clearly this is true—many of us have a relatively difficult time emotionally stepping into another’s shoes and genuinely, emotionally inhabiting (as it were) his or her experience; that is, feeling their experience with them, for them.
I’d venture to say that a rather high percentage of the general population fails pretty badly at meeting this pretty classical criterion to be considered “empathic.” Of course, nothing is black and white: sometimes we find ourselves experiencing empathy in surprising circumstances, almost unaccountably; otherwise, sensing that empathy is clearly indicated in certain situations, we might find ourselves in suprisingly, uncomfortably short supplies of it?
And so the experience of pure empathy eludes many of us, perhaps even the majority of us, often”¦more often than we might even want to admit.
However, remorselessness is a whole different kettle of fish. A typical case involving a nonsociopath goes like this. One partner, a good communicator, says to her husband, “What you said to me last night in front of our company was humiliating. You have no idea, I’m guessing, how much that hurt me and pissed me off. If you ever do that again, I swear I may never forgive you.”
Her husband, if he’s really honest, might say, “You know what? I really don’t have any idea. I didn’t see, and still don’t, why what I said was that big a deal. I was trying to be funny. I didn’t think you’d take it so personally.”
This husband, we might say, lacks empathy. We don’t even need to know what he said that aroused his wife’s ire to surmise that, here, in this example, taken from a couples session I facilitated recently, he is demonstrating less than optimal empathy.
But he also added, sincerely, “I’m sorry. I am. I’m sorry I hurt you so much. I won’t do that again.”
His wife was only somewhat appeased by his apology because, while it expressed remorse, it didn’t reflect much, if any, empathy. And she wanted more than remorse. She wanted empathy.
I believe it is entirely possible, even common, to express remorse, sincerely, even in the absence of empathically appreciating the impact of the original behavior for which you are expressing the remorse. This is because, if you are not a sociopath, you can really feel bad for hurting someone even without quite understanding why what you did was so hurtful.
Now, in the example above, the partner chastised for his previous night’s insensitivity could have responded differently, reacting to his wife’s feedback with, “You know what? Too damned bad. So you felt hurt? Well”¦get over it.”
This would be a response not only lacking in empathy but also in remorse. As an isolated, occasionally defensive, hostile response, it wouldn’t necessarily suggest the presence of sociopathy; but as a patterned kind of remorseless reaction it may very well signal the presence of sociopathic tendencies.
In the vast majority of cases, the relatively non-empathic individual reacts with some form of true remorse upon learning he or she has been experienced as damaging, even if it comes as a real, confusing surprise to learn this. Again, the typical response might be along the lines of, “Really? I had no idea.” (reflecting defective empathy) “But I’m really sorry. I didn’t mean to hurt you like that.” (reflecting remorse).
Where remorse is missing from acts that have been experienced as hurtful, we find ourselves in much more seriously disturbed territory. Sociopaths, of course, may feign remorse, although many times not. But feigned, shallow remorse—remorse that serves his self-interest, not yours—is worth less than no remorse.
A chronic theme of weak, or absent, remorse is thus much more indicative of the sociopathically oriented individual than the measure of his empathy. Oddly enough weak, or even sometimes missing, empathy, doesn’t necessarily preclude some form of meaningful connection with another (although it won’t be empathically-based).
But weak, or missing, remorse fatally does preclude such a connection, ensuring only the possibility of a damaging, exploitive experience.
(This article is copyrighted © 2011 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is for convenience’s sake only, not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the attitudes and behaiors discussed.)
Of course, nothing is black and white: sometimes we find ourselves experiencing empathy in surprising circumstances, almost unaccountably; otherwise, sensing that empathy is clearly indicated in certain situations, we might find ourselves in suprisingly, uncomfortably short supplies of it?
I understand this. I come off as a whiner and I am stuck in this rut. I totally understand that people don’t know what to do with me. I broke it off with Jim in early July of last year, why am I still in the anger.
I do know why. I don’t have family or friends in the area. I am fending for myself. If I had that support system I would have bounced back easily.
I am the perfect target for a sociopath.
That is why Jim picked me.
I remember when I met him, and I remember mentioning that I tried hard NOT to draw attention to myself when I moved out here. I assumed everyone was married and I didn’t want to make waves being the newcomer. I walked without looking at anyone….he quickly said that is what drew attention to me.
Looking back at his comment. He said it quickly with flat-tone excitement. Just enough to get me to think hmmm… something doesn’t feel right about this.
He was already lying to me. He said he never saw me before. Then he says that me trying to be invisible is what drew attention to me. He also noted my son was working me for ice cream and I was nervously thumbing through my coin purse looking for money. He noticed everything about me before he ever met me.
And, I gotta point out, that he probably saw that I am to the point of such isolation where I would lose any kind of support system. Being abused doesn’t make for likeable people.
Trying to make sense out of the nonsense doesn’t make me likeable.
I am so broken. I believe it has damaged me to the point where I am never gonna recover. I am not a likeable person. I am a pain in the ass, I got the same complaint over and over. I can’t shake it. I have better days, but then I sink into this anger at Jim on other days.
I think I went to hell.
I am so miserable. I really think I went to hell.
Harmony,
I’m sure Oxy did not mean to hurt your feelings. PD’s are hard to put into words and we all struggle. Because you say you have Borderline, you may be able to help us here on LF. It’s so difficult for us to come to terms with the people who hurt us and why they do it.
Kathleen was just saying that a personality disorder is someone who is inflexible in their ability to deal with their environment. You said:
I have a very high values, motal and ethics. So high in fact that it interferes with living my life. For this I am seeing a psychologist due to the fact I can not cope with people who can not follow rules and instructions.
So you are right, kudos to you for acknowledging that. I know, from experience, that a personality disorder just makes us think that our way of thinking is right and it is the only way. Intellectually you may know that this is a hindrance, but you only FEEL, what you FEEL! Your disorder doesn’t sound like borderline to me. Either way, It takes time and a willingness to change before your intellect and feelings can become one. Spaths lack that willingness. You on the other hand, are going to be JUST FINE. You will be better than ever. That is what I’m working on because I have my own PD too. Have faith, be open and persevere.
Soul. You are sooooo right. This is exactly how it was. Are you a mind reader? Or were we dating the same guy?!
I also know it was exactly the same for his ex cos we are now good friends! I’m going to post this to her.
It must really pith him off to know that we have nailed him and we’re comparing notes.
Bingo, Steve. They know what they’re doing… they simply don’t CARE. That’s the thing. Remember what the Green River Killer said when he was asked what he thought was missing from him? “Well, maybe that caring thing”
As Robert Hare PhD said in the MRI video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaTfdKYbudk ) :
That said, one might not be able to categorize the sociopath’s gauging of how we’re feeling as true empathy because the notion of what were feeling is primarily gleaned from how we respond to THEM. It’s not really empathy. But it’s ENOUGH to “know” that the effect they’re having is “bad” or “good” detrimental or beneficial to a person. The Psychopath i was involved with would CONSTANTLY and i mean always ask “Are things cool between us” ( usually when he suspects that I know something or when he did something terrible to me and didn’t apologize and acts like nothings wrong ) … No it’s not the kind of empathy we have, the heightened kind because that partly comes FROM our caring.. the inclination to empathize. Their inclination to gauge our feelings is dependent on their desire to MANIPULATE however… so it works quite differently. Kind of like a shark smells blood in the water. As another human being you see the wound and feel inclined to help- whereas the shark smells blood, KNOWS you’re wounded, and heads straight for the kill.
Of course there really IS a lack of empathy when you note that their humor is shallow, as their sham of personalities are ( made up to suit your likes and dislikes.. one could even say they lack a true personality, and are just a core of evil that dons a mask to suit his surroundings ) … REAL humor, good humor comes from empathy. Their attempts at humor are juvenile and often quite off to say the least.
But I could quite easily step into the pretzel of semantics over here so I digress.
I think once you cross over the land of NOT CARING you also lose true empathy.. watching shells of people and gauging reactions so you can better manipulate. That really ain’t empathy, just predatorial… like a lion or shark in wait..
Soul… that was really great. Thanks for posting it
Very much a Prawn Salad kind of life, in short? I don’t suppose this guy happened to look anything like Eric Idle by any chance? 😉
Thought I would share this (it’s a bit random but hey it made me feel good). It’s a text from my son who was almost arrested because he challenged spath.
I nearly lost my son because I ‘sided’ with spath – WTF was I thinking?! That’s how spaths mess with our heads – even turning our own kids (he’s 6 feet 4 and 25 years of age – but he’s still a kid to me) against us.
The message reads:
‘It’s a shite life but glad to call u my mum 🙂 u r the best’
This message made my heart swell with pride.
damaging , exploitative, remorseless:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmPDGZPnYl0
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Harmony;
Many of us here make observations and comments based upon our experiences. Sometimes, inadvertently, comments are taken too personal or out of context.
I did not see the post to which you refer. However, I am adopted to and do have what I consider to be marginal BPD, although my my psychologist disagrees.
I believe it might be possiblity for a sociopath to also have BPD. Certainly, some aspects of BPD overlap sociopathy, such as relationship instability and impulsiveness.
However, IMHO, those with BPD or some BPD make great targets for sociopaths. The perfect sheep for these wolves.