Sometimes I like to revisit, churn all over again, a prior concern around sociopathy. A number of colleagues were recently stressing the defective quality of empathy in the more sociopathic clients they work with, while I found myself stressing the quality of remorselessness in the more sociopathic clients with whom I work (and have worked).
In my view, remorselessness is a much more serious indicator of sociopathy than lack of empathy per se. I know I’ve stated this in previous pieces, but well”¦here I go all over again.
Many people lack empathy for a great many reasons, depending on how one even defines empathy. But clearly this is true—many of us have a relatively difficult time emotionally stepping into another’s shoes and genuinely, emotionally inhabiting (as it were) his or her experience; that is, feeling their experience with them, for them.
I’d venture to say that a rather high percentage of the general population fails pretty badly at meeting this pretty classical criterion to be considered “empathic.” Of course, nothing is black and white: sometimes we find ourselves experiencing empathy in surprising circumstances, almost unaccountably; otherwise, sensing that empathy is clearly indicated in certain situations, we might find ourselves in suprisingly, uncomfortably short supplies of it?
And so the experience of pure empathy eludes many of us, perhaps even the majority of us, often”¦more often than we might even want to admit.
However, remorselessness is a whole different kettle of fish. A typical case involving a nonsociopath goes like this. One partner, a good communicator, says to her husband, “What you said to me last night in front of our company was humiliating. You have no idea, I’m guessing, how much that hurt me and pissed me off. If you ever do that again, I swear I may never forgive you.”
Her husband, if he’s really honest, might say, “You know what? I really don’t have any idea. I didn’t see, and still don’t, why what I said was that big a deal. I was trying to be funny. I didn’t think you’d take it so personally.”
This husband, we might say, lacks empathy. We don’t even need to know what he said that aroused his wife’s ire to surmise that, here, in this example, taken from a couples session I facilitated recently, he is demonstrating less than optimal empathy.
But he also added, sincerely, “I’m sorry. I am. I’m sorry I hurt you so much. I won’t do that again.”
His wife was only somewhat appeased by his apology because, while it expressed remorse, it didn’t reflect much, if any, empathy. And she wanted more than remorse. She wanted empathy.
I believe it is entirely possible, even common, to express remorse, sincerely, even in the absence of empathically appreciating the impact of the original behavior for which you are expressing the remorse. This is because, if you are not a sociopath, you can really feel bad for hurting someone even without quite understanding why what you did was so hurtful.
Now, in the example above, the partner chastised for his previous night’s insensitivity could have responded differently, reacting to his wife’s feedback with, “You know what? Too damned bad. So you felt hurt? Well”¦get over it.”
This would be a response not only lacking in empathy but also in remorse. As an isolated, occasionally defensive, hostile response, it wouldn’t necessarily suggest the presence of sociopathy; but as a patterned kind of remorseless reaction it may very well signal the presence of sociopathic tendencies.
In the vast majority of cases, the relatively non-empathic individual reacts with some form of true remorse upon learning he or she has been experienced as damaging, even if it comes as a real, confusing surprise to learn this. Again, the typical response might be along the lines of, “Really? I had no idea.” (reflecting defective empathy) “But I’m really sorry. I didn’t mean to hurt you like that.” (reflecting remorse).
Where remorse is missing from acts that have been experienced as hurtful, we find ourselves in much more seriously disturbed territory. Sociopaths, of course, may feign remorse, although many times not. But feigned, shallow remorse—remorse that serves his self-interest, not yours—is worth less than no remorse.
A chronic theme of weak, or absent, remorse is thus much more indicative of the sociopathically oriented individual than the measure of his empathy. Oddly enough weak, or even sometimes missing, empathy, doesn’t necessarily preclude some form of meaningful connection with another (although it won’t be empathically-based).
But weak, or missing, remorse fatally does preclude such a connection, ensuring only the possibility of a damaging, exploitive experience.
(This article is copyrighted © 2011 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of male gender pronouns is for convenience’s sake only, not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the attitudes and behaiors discussed.)
Ox,
Um….I’m willing to hear the story as to why cows that are cornfed should not be eaten? So is it safe to assume that most, if not all meats we buy at the store are corn fed beef? Or do I really want to hear this? I’m curious as to whether or not corn fed and grass fed have different flavors after butchering and processing, cooking? HOw much of your beef do you eat, OX, like how many do you butcher and process? I’d LOVE to see YOUR freezer! lol!
I hear you on the salt. I wouldn’t eat it out of a salt shaker for pete’s sake, but I DO salt my meats with it. I cook with season salt, but I also cook with lots of herbs and/or spices WITHOUT salt in it. I wouldn’t know how to “measure” per se, how much my salt intake is, but I’m guessing that I might be shocked by the amount? I’m not a big dairy eater either. I love cheese, but limit it to putting it on my salad or to flavor a dish on occasion, but not much else. Milk once a day in cereal. My metabolism keeps me at a nice weight so I don’t have weight issues to deal with. THe last two doc appointments my blood pressure had returned to normal (interesting given this happened when my relationshit with spath was over).
lol! How high is up? Great question. I guess it depends upon one’s perspective as to how high. **sigh**
BBE- BISON=BUFFALO? Um, ohhhhh…….**gasp**
LL
Dear LL,
The answer to your question about meats is not appropriate here and there is no simple easy 10-word answer either.
You can find what you need to know about salt (sodium) at the American Heart Association web site and there are dozens of books about it, cook books, medical books etc. and there are charts on how to measure sodium in your foods and all labels now tell how much sodium (salt) is in a serving foods. It is a learning process just like anything else.
I think that eating well and healthy, exercise and taking care of our over all health is part of our recovery, as well as stress reduction, stopping bad habits such as smoking, drinking, lack of rest, over weight, stress, etc. whatever is keeping us from living the best life we can.
BBE- BISON=BUFFALO? Um, ohhhhh—.**gasp**
Very healthy and tastes just like lean beef.
Ox,
Thanks a bunch! I’ll check out the site!
LL
Oxy,
I’m reading your post to me and I felt punched.
So I stepped away and thought about it why I was feeling that way.
I crossed a boundary. I didn’t mean to, nor did I think about it until I walked away and came back and read your response again.
I apologize.
LL
Hi LL,
I am where you were a few weeks ago. I miss the dream, I grieve the loss, he was so full of wit, made me laugh so much, feel like how could I have retained those good times.
when he made me cry , there was so much pain, and then after a while, with his crap reasoning which makes no sense, we believe that the bad behaviour can be excused (though we know intellectually – we are steping further into denial)
and we again get swayed off into the lovely world of good times, laughter, and sharing life with him.
so much pain.
petite
petite, i often feel very similarly, asking myself, what could i have done to keep those good things? i grieve them so often.
and a lot of the time, remembering the pain i was constantly in, save for those good moments, is not enough to make my heart stop longing for the good moments anyway.
i do hope one day that i will emotionally be able to accept that the good moments were not worth that amount of suffering. i know that, intellectually. but my heart still overrides my brain when it comes to him.
thanks agreenbean,
was waiting for someone to talk to, have tears rolling down my face, I miss him and it alternates with the deep pain which came when he could not answer my questions adequately etc etc.
Yes, I am also waiting as to when I can accept with ease and with no fear of back sliding that the good moments were not worth even an ounce of the bad times.
I am sure I will not back slide and will only be professionally cordial with him, however, the longing of the good times, makes you sometime think, could he have changed, maybe I should given him another chance, that is wehn I come to the LF site to get the much needed courage to stay strong.
petite
petite and agreenbean:
most of us go through this. and we all come to an understanding that helps us to contextualize what happened to us. one is – the ‘good times’ were just what we experience before the ‘mask’ slips. The love bombing and mirroring that makes us feel soooo bonded to them is a con. They uses ploys – including the pity ply – to draw us in, to set us up for the devalue and discard….the mask slips, and we experience life close to evil.
getting these two ‘sides’ to stick together is the work of this stage – it’s time to work on accepting that the nightmare and the angel are but one person – and at root they are without empathy or remorse. right now you are bargaining – trying to separate their good from their bad – it’s not the truth. they are the some of their parts: the evil and the mask. nothing more. they don’t care, and they have, and never will; they were only predators using mirroring, projection and love bombing to set you up.
hi onejoy,
you said they set us up for the devalue and discard. in my case, he wanted me to continue with him, forget his incosistencies and give ourselves a chance. He said he was not good at giving explanations and that is how he is, but that it did not mean that he loved me any less, he still wanted us to be together and I said no.
so how would that mean – that he wanted to set me up for the devalue and discard.
I am not taking his side, just trying to understand what you said in your post.
thanks so much
i really need all the help and advice at this stage.
petite