Editor’s note: Lovefraud received the following story from a woman who we’ll call “Trista.” She tells her story of being dismissed with a shrug.
I met the man who has been my husband for 30 years in a language school. He was serious, but could be funny, a bit shy, but also had a way with words. He had beautiful eyes and lots of girls were in love with him. I was no exception, but it was me he chose to go out with.
The relationship soon took off and we were a pair. Those first days were good; I had no idea I was dealing with a sociopath. When I took him to meet my mother, however, when things were very serious between us, she said that she thought he needed some “help.” I dismissed it.
I did realize how quickly he took offense for the least of things, and how quick he was to respond with offensive words to other people. Soon after we married I started to see more and more of his temper, that other people called a “short fuse,” but it was still directed to others, not to me. My time would come.
Controlling the money
My S was very controlling with money, getting angry even if I bought him a present that he thought cost more than I could spend. He continued to control me through money for all those 30 years, never allowing me to go to the supermarket on my own, not giving me money to any expense, and having screaming fits if I did anything like taking the initiative of paying for a small cheap portrait of our infant daughter. My friends and family thought him “odd,” and because I was so afraid that some people would do or say the wrong thing near him and trigger a terrible scene, I started avoiding most of my friends. We lived on our own with our two small kids, and provided that I would not ask for money or invite people who could get him in a mood, life was sort of ok.
Church was another problem. As a Christian, I was used to church life and he was brought up in a Christian environment as well. However, we could not be in any church together. Something would happen, something the preacher said or that other people said would trigger his horrendous fits of rage. I used to be terrified in church, paying attention to where the sermon would lead in case it would touch some subject that he would find offensive. I remember real terror while in church, till the last time he stormed out of the building and verbally attacked the pastor at the door. I never went to church with him again, but I also could not go alone, in case he thought I did not think him fit to go to church. This would cause even more problems. In the end I gave up church altogether, but not my Christian faith.
Holidays on his own
In the middle of the 90’s he started going on holidays on his own, to countries in Europe. I was never invited, not thought of, as I stayed behind to look after the house and teenagers. I don’t believe that he had one minute of doubt about the propriety of a married man in his 50’s going to holidays alone every year. I decided not to say anything.
I was still very scared of confronting him about anything; his rages were severe and I was scared because his eyes would change to look like glass when he was angry. He would scream not to touch him, to get away from him and his eyes would go big and glazed. Once when he was driving, somehow something we said got him in one of his tempers and he drove with fury near getting on the pavement, and barely missing a lady and a child. My daughter was in the car with me and we both thought we would die as well. He had no control over himself. A bit later on he started breaking things, like the Christmas tree, ornaments, and also pushed me against a table, I bruised my ribs and had to go to the hospital next day.
He got a job as a teacher in a University. He can somehow give a good interview and charm others, he is intelligent and cultured. Later on, when they see the problems, it is usually too late. His boss has already commented on his “glazed eyes.”
In love with Poland
As part of this job, he got a trip to Poland. When he came back, he was a man completely taken by the Polish life and people, in such a way that I can only describe as sick. My house immediately became full of Polish ornaments, his friends became only Polish people, he became obsessed by them, in the same way he became obsessed in the past by other cultures like the South Americans, the Russians, the Orientals. He had “phases” when he only talked and walked around people of those cultures, now it was the Polish. I knew it well, but could not foresee a new developement: He “fell in love” with a Polish boy.
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I was away for some weeks visiting my family and when I came back there was something different about him. He had bought a mobile phone, was using it every minute, and hiding in the garden to talk. I also got an email he passed to this boy and it was a complete sop, an email a man writes to his girl. I got the phone number of the boy, went to talk to him, who was only 20 (my S is 57) and did not know about the situation; he had a girlfriend! It was in my S ‘s mind; he interpreted friendship for another thing. This boy was his former student.
The S in my life even said after being discovered that he needed the excitement and when I pointed out the absurdity of a 57 married man who is a grandfather chasing a 20 year old boy who is younger than his son or nephews, he simply said “he had no one for him,” meaning, “I did not have to account for my actions to his family, since he has none.” He continued to behave in the most shameless manner, telling our friends that he was in love with a boy and alienating our friends even further, telling his family that both him and my son had Polish people in their lives (because my son had had a Polish girlfriend). He even asked me why I thought that I was God’s will for him and not that boy. I was speechless.
Mask slipped
From them on I argued with him for two years about the impropriety of such things, the absurdity of it, but he denies having done anything. When I talked to the boy I was made aware that he had invited him for a weekend trip and I got it just in time. He tried to blame me for his actions and denies having done me any harm or the children. However, our family is in tatters and I have filed for divorce with the support of my children. I have seen a counselor, who also saw him and he told me to leave him and that he has been cheating on me all my life. This boy was not the first one, but now the mask has slipped. Interesting enough, other people have used that term to refer to him, my friend said she always saw him as having a mask; my brother said that “his plug fell.”
At the moment he is still denying the boy was more than friendship, even after the fact that he took our wedding ring off and told me he was not married to me, didn’t want me, didn’t love me, and cried like a baby for this boy. I have all the evidence; he still denies it and makes me feel I’m somehow to blame. For two years I went nearly crazy because of his faulty logic, his coldness, his shameless deeds. He still denies that he has done wrong.
He has no remorse, no thought of me or the children about it all; he considers himself a good Christian who goes to church every Sunday but never learns anything. He said that when he did it (about the boy) I never entered his mind.
I’m now nearly divorced and have nothing else to do with him. He is still involved with the Polish, and is dressing up as a 20 year old himself, walking with groups of young people. My son is ashamed of him and my daughter says she hardly knows him. He couldn’t care less for me, his wife of 30 years. I was dismissed with a shrug.
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My mom always referred to my father being “the old man with the young face”! Seems to me he is a red flag on two legs 😉 …
The X was also very boyish and charming, and I ALWAYS and unmistakenly fell for boyish Big boys with that special twinkle in their eyes. Big sister syndrome me thinks.
I learned yesterday that my boss hired his GF to be my successor. I felt so well afterwards! I even felt a HUGE wave of Schadenfreude I never experienced before. I was anxious that my successor will have the same fate as I had, and I could not wish that to anybody.
First now everybody can see that it is nothing personal about me but all about him and that it all was a scam to get her in.
My boss and her fell head over heels in love during a long distance flight shortly before he started to work in our department where I already was working for 3 years, and he left his girlfriend of 15 years for her. Said 15y-girlfriend was working at that time in our hospital, and she got fired by the biggest boss (CEO) because he wanted to replace her with somebody else and not because she was not able. She left shortly before MY boss started working. I knew right from the beginning that I would not get any help with MY problems from the CEO as he did scams like this himself too.
I am sure that this GF can’t be “bitten away” by the bigot corporate wife Nr one, but she is now stuck in her role as a working bee and getting soon devoid of her privileges for working like a slave. I sensed that she is even more sour lately but could not figure it out, but now I know, and I find if very consolating. Thanks Karma!!!
Live loud, that is really the best revenge! Thanks One for this great quote I adopted!
Dear Kathy, my heart goes to you, and I wish you a relaxing weekend!
Spirit40 – Great point about intuition. That is one of the really powerful lessons I’ve learned from my own Spath experience. I DID have intuition (gut feelings, an inner voice) warning me. I even had a VERY STRONG sixth sense of impending doom BEFORE I met him. I never put the two together until the end when I could feel and see my imminent death if I stayed.
I will NEVER AGAIN ignore that or push it away and give someone, ANYone power to trump that. NEVER AGAIN. I believe our intuition comes from a very holy, inner place that is sending us messages to protect the sanctity of OURSELVES. We always have the power in us to take care of ourselves. I NEED to LISTEN TO IT.
I have a deeper level of understanding now, why and how I got to a place where I could have this overpowered. For me, and I think, for many of us that get victimized, it is because we’ve learned to do this from a childhood trauma. IF we don’t process that original trauma and learn the signs of an abuser and to take care of ourselves, we are always going to be vulnerable to this kind of abuse – until we TAKE BACK our own power.
Hi All,
I was going to address this to Lightsaber and Spirit40, but this really should go to everyone. Lightsaber, you are so right about having to process childhood trauma in order to understand how we end with pathologicals. In many instances, including my own, the P’s were in our own family. In my case, my father was an S and my mom an N, so I’ve been perfectly primed, if you will, to respond to and be accommodating prey for this type of person. Moreover, in many instances it’s not enough to know intellectually. We gotta go THROUGH the pain of processing in order to get it at a deeper level, and it ain’t pretty. That’s why a lot of people choose never to go/get to that deeper level–cuz pain sucks. People want to avoid it, and with good reason, but it turns around and bites us in the ass if we don’t meet it head on. That’s been my experience anyway. Also, more about intuition–I think that many times it’s the FIRST inkling that something is amiss with an S. In my case, mine was extremely intelligent, albeit unsuccessful, and I think his intelligence made it easy for him to fool people. Plus, I think it’s a common misconception that if someone is smart and well-educated then they must have their crap together. I know I learned many times that this isn’t the case! Okay, I think I’m sorta rambling here, and I did have a point, although I can’t remember what the flippin’ hell it was. Maybe I already made it, since I can’t remember what it was. 😀
Oh, I remember now! I was just reading somewhere that Rhianna (the girl with Chris Brown) is seeing another potential abuser. It has come out that there was an abusive sitation with an ex where she got a restraining order on him. It would be very unfortunate for Rhianna, but would any of us be surprised? Nope!
Hopeful:
You said above, “Everything was always about fun.”
Same with mine. His whole life revolved around “fun” and where the next big party was.
I’m sure it still does.
And, I think the “charm” factor along with the “fun” factor is what hooks a lot of us in.
We all want to meet somebody who is charming and fun. Right? It’s attractive at first.
But, like you said in your other post, “At the end, I told him I was sick of his ‘charm offensive’.”
Yes, sooner or later, the charm gets sickening when there is nothing of substance to back it up.
And, I TOTALLY AGREE with everything that has been said here about trusting our gut instincts!
It’s so very important.
I also had that uneasy feeling right from the beginning, and I suppressed it.
Or, maybe I mistook it for excitement, which was a big mistake…HUGE mistake.
Never again.
I now know that my gut instincts are legitimate, and I have the knowledge and experience to support those gut feelings.
From now on, anyone who tries to talk me out of my own gut instincts will be discarded so fast his/her head will spin.
I have no problem being a minority of one, with my gut instincts 🙂 .
Someone who truly cares, and has the ability to love will RESPECT other people’s gut instincts/boundaries.
I think sociopaths like to turn things like boundaries and gut instincts into deal breakers, if they cannot take power over them.
For example, if you have clear boundaries about certain things, and are not willing to change your boundaries to accommodate the sociopath, he/she will label you as rigid, uptight, impossible to deal with, no FUN, etc.
And you will be portrayed as such to the next target. Or worse, because they have no problem lying.
That’s another thing. My XBF was divorced, and he never missed the opportunity to portray his ex-wife as a cold, uncaring, bitch (using his “boyish personna”). He was so abused, blah..blah….PITY PLOY.
I am rambling on here.
Trust your own instincts everybody!!
And do not relinquish that power to anyone else!
And, more good stuff about processing childhood trauma, as well. Sooner or later, we have to look within. That’s really the key to breaking any undesirable cycle, I think.
Hopeful and Lightsaber… Yoda said it best. fear leads to anger , anger leads to hate , hate leads to the Darkside. For me.. fear no longer stands for F–k everything and run… it means Face everything and recover… Yes I ignored my intuition for 23 years… wow long friken time ignorance was not BLISS.. I keep reminding myself about that…It was my fault I ignored my gut… not the spaths/narc….I am not angry at him.. I just hate his fuckn guts.. he is not worth the gum I scrap off the bottom of my shoe… I despise him , I have no respect for someone that deliberatly uses someone they know they are using… especially his own child?? and then they have the balls to turn it around on us as if we were using the child… if I went with my gut instincts the scum bag would not have got near me or my child .. over the years it was always devalue and discard like I was a piece of crap… /trash well since they project their crap on us.. he was/is the piece of crap.. And I am sure that in the end he will truly get what is coming to him.. I have no doubt that I am the better person, the person with a heart (my own mind) and conscience… if I want to eat a dunkin friken donut I will… If I leave a mark on a dish I will scrape it off… they think they are all that but really they feel awful and project the mighter than thow attitude… sorry I needed to vent…ahhh feels better… I have a feeling that I have some messed up family members as well… and a huge age difference between my siblings and me… I am the youngest and the most easy target I guess…but as I said earlier face everything and recover… Pain does suck but we can not move forward unless we deal with the past…. hugs and thanks for reading my rants…..
Rosa,
Thanks for your insight. You have lots! I was reading Women Who Love Psychopaths by Sandra Brown ( Dr. Leedom contributed to it) and it says that most women who are attracted to sociopaths are extroverts themselves, so are become very enamored of that part of the S. So true for me! I tend not to like conventional (boring) guys and my S really liked doing all sorts of irreverent things that are easy to find in a city like Boston. The other thing I learned is that most of the women attracted to S’s are very high in empathy, which is also very, very true of me. I was very empathetic to the wounded child in my S, because I knew of his abusive family backround. S’s love that and will exploit it to no end, as you know! You talked about the S labeling and so forth. When I outed him the first time to his friends, 3 months went by and we got back together. He did his same Spath Show again and I once again outed him. This time, a male friend of his actually emailed me back. This male friend had known him for 12 years, and he told me that my spath had told him prior (after the first “outing”) that I was a stalker. He went on to say that he did not believe my spath and that as long as he had known him, my spath had always been a “profligate womanizer.” I had to look up profligate since I wasn’t sure what it meant, and it means “shameless.” I was just so stunned that he would say I was a stalker. I guess I shouldn’t have been surprised since I knew what he was capable of. And here I am wondering if he is “normal” and “reformed” with this new girl. Someone give me a dope slap.
Spirit,
Rant away. If not here, then where? I like when you said, “I’m not angry with him. I just hate his f***ing guts.” Too funny. It reminded me of the movie, The Shining where Jack Nicholson says to his wife who is hiding in the bathroom, “I’m not gonna hurt ya, Wendy. I’m just gonna bash your f***ing brains in.” har har. Okay, so maybe it’s a stretch, but that popped into my head. Also, you said “Hate leads to the Darkside.” Very true! Spaths live and breathe in the DS. I have a very cute T-shirt that is all black. It has a little monster on the front outlined in white and he says”Come to the dark side. We have cookies.” He is holding a tray of cookies. It’s cute
Hopeful:
They project their most ugly and despicable traits onto us, to make us look like the crazy ones.
Mine said PLENTY of ugly things about me, too.
Their smear campaigns are brutal. What really hurts is that people actually believe that stuff.
The good news is you find out real quick who your friends are.
Its kinda funny, people would take the word of a convicted felon… a pathological liar, a cheat over .. the person who was victimized…people just love gossip and drama…they do not ask us what really happened? I wonder why? they would not investigate the other side of the story… his/hers and the truth…
Yeah I used to tell the ex- I hate him , he would say you dont hate me you hate yourself, and when he would call me stupid??!!!!!
I would say Yeah you are right, I am stupid, stupid for every loving you! he would not say a word after that? was he in shock? OMG
I admitted I was stupid for loving him ooucccchhh must’ve hurt his lil tiny EGO..or is it his ID ? never developed…. its so easy for them just to move on and forget the havoc they create … just sit back and watch how our lives look like they crumble… He cant break me dude! and my spirit, I have been told is felt to be strong…I should change my nick to Didnt break my spirit .. ugly nasty spath…/narc/ wutever…or You can’t break me dude! LOL maybe he is onto the next victim who will try to run him over with her car, that is what he got one of the many times he discarded me…wow so glad it worked out for him…wonder what rock he will be found under this time…who would want and ex con, toothless, no license no job? hello ? red flags so what about the boyish charm? why does every one like them ? cause they can FOOL anyone into believeing.. having the gift of gab too…