Editor’s note: Lovefraud received the following story from a woman who we’ll call “Trista.” She tells her story of being dismissed with a shrug.
I met the man who has been my husband for 30 years in a language school. He was serious, but could be funny, a bit shy, but also had a way with words. He had beautiful eyes and lots of girls were in love with him. I was no exception, but it was me he chose to go out with.
The relationship soon took off and we were a pair. Those first days were good; I had no idea I was dealing with a sociopath. When I took him to meet my mother, however, when things were very serious between us, she said that she thought he needed some “help.” I dismissed it.
I did realize how quickly he took offense for the least of things, and how quick he was to respond with offensive words to other people. Soon after we married I started to see more and more of his temper, that other people called a “short fuse,” but it was still directed to others, not to me. My time would come.
Controlling the money
My S was very controlling with money, getting angry even if I bought him a present that he thought cost more than I could spend. He continued to control me through money for all those 30 years, never allowing me to go to the supermarket on my own, not giving me money to any expense, and having screaming fits if I did anything like taking the initiative of paying for a small cheap portrait of our infant daughter. My friends and family thought him “odd,” and because I was so afraid that some people would do or say the wrong thing near him and trigger a terrible scene, I started avoiding most of my friends. We lived on our own with our two small kids, and provided that I would not ask for money or invite people who could get him in a mood, life was sort of ok.
Church was another problem. As a Christian, I was used to church life and he was brought up in a Christian environment as well. However, we could not be in any church together. Something would happen, something the preacher said or that other people said would trigger his horrendous fits of rage. I used to be terrified in church, paying attention to where the sermon would lead in case it would touch some subject that he would find offensive. I remember real terror while in church, till the last time he stormed out of the building and verbally attacked the pastor at the door. I never went to church with him again, but I also could not go alone, in case he thought I did not think him fit to go to church. This would cause even more problems. In the end I gave up church altogether, but not my Christian faith.
Holidays on his own
In the middle of the 90’s he started going on holidays on his own, to countries in Europe. I was never invited, not thought of, as I stayed behind to look after the house and teenagers. I don’t believe that he had one minute of doubt about the propriety of a married man in his 50’s going to holidays alone every year. I decided not to say anything.
I was still very scared of confronting him about anything; his rages were severe and I was scared because his eyes would change to look like glass when he was angry. He would scream not to touch him, to get away from him and his eyes would go big and glazed. Once when he was driving, somehow something we said got him in one of his tempers and he drove with fury near getting on the pavement, and barely missing a lady and a child. My daughter was in the car with me and we both thought we would die as well. He had no control over himself. A bit later on he started breaking things, like the Christmas tree, ornaments, and also pushed me against a table, I bruised my ribs and had to go to the hospital next day.
He got a job as a teacher in a University. He can somehow give a good interview and charm others, he is intelligent and cultured. Later on, when they see the problems, it is usually too late. His boss has already commented on his “glazed eyes.”
In love with Poland
As part of this job, he got a trip to Poland. When he came back, he was a man completely taken by the Polish life and people, in such a way that I can only describe as sick. My house immediately became full of Polish ornaments, his friends became only Polish people, he became obsessed by them, in the same way he became obsessed in the past by other cultures like the South Americans, the Russians, the Orientals. He had “phases” when he only talked and walked around people of those cultures, now it was the Polish. I knew it well, but could not foresee a new developement: He “fell in love” with a Polish boy.
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I was away for some weeks visiting my family and when I came back there was something different about him. He had bought a mobile phone, was using it every minute, and hiding in the garden to talk. I also got an email he passed to this boy and it was a complete sop, an email a man writes to his girl. I got the phone number of the boy, went to talk to him, who was only 20 (my S is 57) and did not know about the situation; he had a girlfriend! It was in my S ‘s mind; he interpreted friendship for another thing. This boy was his former student.
The S in my life even said after being discovered that he needed the excitement and when I pointed out the absurdity of a 57 married man who is a grandfather chasing a 20 year old boy who is younger than his son or nephews, he simply said “he had no one for him,” meaning, “I did not have to account for my actions to his family, since he has none.” He continued to behave in the most shameless manner, telling our friends that he was in love with a boy and alienating our friends even further, telling his family that both him and my son had Polish people in their lives (because my son had had a Polish girlfriend). He even asked me why I thought that I was God’s will for him and not that boy. I was speechless.
Mask slipped
From them on I argued with him for two years about the impropriety of such things, the absurdity of it, but he denies having done anything. When I talked to the boy I was made aware that he had invited him for a weekend trip and I got it just in time. He tried to blame me for his actions and denies having done me any harm or the children. However, our family is in tatters and I have filed for divorce with the support of my children. I have seen a counselor, who also saw him and he told me to leave him and that he has been cheating on me all my life. This boy was not the first one, but now the mask has slipped. Interesting enough, other people have used that term to refer to him, my friend said she always saw him as having a mask; my brother said that “his plug fell.”
At the moment he is still denying the boy was more than friendship, even after the fact that he took our wedding ring off and told me he was not married to me, didn’t want me, didn’t love me, and cried like a baby for this boy. I have all the evidence; he still denies it and makes me feel I’m somehow to blame. For two years I went nearly crazy because of his faulty logic, his coldness, his shameless deeds. He still denies that he has done wrong.
He has no remorse, no thought of me or the children about it all; he considers himself a good Christian who goes to church every Sunday but never learns anything. He said that when he did it (about the boy) I never entered his mind.
I’m now nearly divorced and have nothing else to do with him. He is still involved with the Polish, and is dressing up as a 20 year old himself, walking with groups of young people. My son is ashamed of him and my daughter says she hardly knows him. He couldn’t care less for me, his wife of 30 years. I was dismissed with a shrug.
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ah, now i see the point – there is horror in it and I do not feel it.
is this numbness?
cordoning it off until i am strong enough to feel it?
not valuing myself enough to be horrorfied?
truama so normalized for me, that i don’t react to it?
there is something missing here. i know i should feel more.
he died so many times, i lost him so many times, that this knowledge actually feels better than having the story be true and my losing that beauty boy.
someone please tell me what THAT sounds like.
someohow the story was more important than i was.
oh, i am missing something here, something i am not ‘getting’ there is a numbness – this thing has been like this for the last few months – i don’t know what it is yet.
i am enraged at her fro making him and taking him away-
if i envision her here, i go after her for that – …i don’t know if what i am trying to touch is evident in my writing….it’s like she murdered someone i loved. i have a screaming rage about that….i can see myself screaming at her- the whole thing done to make me feel unworthy.
mission fucking accomplished. oh, there’s the anger that is a direct protection of myself. okay – exhale.
best revenge- vlaue myself.
i know that outing her is going to cost me energy, and as i get closer to it, i need to slow down even more. so not my way. but i want to. honor myself.
grow up. put my big girl glasses on. i pray for guidance.
night night
one step
Hopeful – I have changed my name … please don’t be sorry! Nothing to be sorry for! I was too free in writing and have to be a bit more discreet. I can’t say the specifics about what is happening now but he is out to get me – to destroy me and he is enlisting other people to help him do it. He won’t physically harm me – it’s all about games and mind f***s. Thankyou for caring – I will be ok – it’s just a process to get through. I have good people around me who know the score with this guy and believe me about what happened. I’ll get through it and when I come out the other side, Iwill be stronger and better and free of him forever!
Lostingrief – I am so saddened in reading how he tortured you with those children. What a cruel thing to do – not just with one woman but with so many. I can’t imagine the pain that must have caused you for so many years – my heart is just going out to you. I hope you are managing to find some healing for yourself after this ultimate betrayal – this wasn’t just about sex. This was about rubbing children in your face while you tried to grieve and get past the child you couldn’t have. I want to kill him on your behalf. I can’t imagine how you managed to control yourself so you didn’t kill him or do him some serious harm. That was the cruellest and most evil way to harm you – I can’t believe a human being could do that to another human being – especially one who loved and cared for them and tried to understand them. I am shocked. Your post made me cry as I tried to picture how I would feel in your shoes – the despair and disbelief of it all. And no doubt you couldn’t say anything about it either – terminations are such secret topics aren’t they? People don’t want to talk about the pain and longing they can cause.
One Step _ I can hear your pain. And I can hear how big it is. And that you can’t put it into words – what she did is so sick and so twisted. They take what we most want and use it as a lethal weapon against us to destroy us. Sick and evil are the only words I have but they are so inadequate. Please be careful in exposing her – you are still fragile from this. Take some quiet time and listen to your inner guidance – it will tell you when the time is really right for this. I sense it is not right now even though you badly want it to be. I don’t want to see you get hurt – does that make sense? You’ve already had too much hurt for one person – allow some time for those wounds to stabilise before launching into battle. Battle changes the status quo in unpredictable ways – you don’t ultimately know how she will respond. (((((Hugs )))))
I need a real big squeazzzy cuddle for a long time! I am cuddle starved and wishing pets had human arms and were a bit taller lol
LIG:
I know the S thought he would ALWAYS have me…..and during the 28 years we were together….I gave him that impression….AND probably believed it myslef for that matter….
BUT…..I, like you went COLD TURKEY….and without a big ‘departure’…..If fact, it was as I left for MD Anderson for my apt……and he blew me off….said he wanted to Fly to Houston with me and be there for me ( I bought him an airline tix)…..then he never showed up…….
I decieded to NEVER speak to him again….as long as I lived!!!
And that was in April of 08.
I was so very scared…..I was alone in Houston….at a HUGE Cancer Med. Center…..and surrounded by Cancer all around me….in the hotel, and the community…..It scared the shit out of me….in the restaurants, on the bus…..EVERYWHERE….and I had been diagnosed.
It was such an emotional time….and I needed the support…..but as I look back…..THANK god he didn’t go…..
He would have been HORRID!!
And that’s all she wrote…..
28 years and Kaboom……
And I could watch him wriggle from afar…..it was the BEST move I could have ever done!
I’m sure he still thinks one day we’ll speak…..maybe even get back together??? UH yeah….NAW!!!! I’d rather be a celebate lesbian! 🙂
Good going girl!!!
Good to see ya around…..any more run in’s????
our new miss mid life crisis;
you are right.
ty.
i just wanna SO bad. it’s not time yet. ty.
One Step better to be in a solid position so when you are outting her you are prepared for whatever consequences she throws your way – and she will respond in some way – nothing surer. Love is such a strange thing – we fell for someone who wasn’t real – an illusion and they used that against us time and time again.((Hugs)) you’ve waited all this time, a little longer won’t be a problem at all @.......
LIG –
I was reading your posts…the cell phone thing …its a big RED FLAG for everyone.
Same with my ex– took it with him everywhere, attached to his hand, on silence (but I would see red light blinking) he would take it in the bathroom…and somehow would have me convinced that it was normal…that I was crazy for questioning or wondering why he was so protective of his phone…didnt I trust him?
Nearly 2 years later, I get to be reminded what its like to share time with someone who puts his cellphone down on the coffee table or kitchen counter or simply asks me to pick it up when it rings and Im near it. Talk about culture shock.
Good, decent, open, honest people are out there. They earn your trust and they treat you well. Its a long road…stay on it…its so worth it in the end to find yourself again and find comfort with the good souls you get to choose to surround you as you keep pushing yourself forward away from a “bad man”. Hang in there!
learnedthelesson:
Sign me up for the cell phone thing club. S-ex was on it constantly — we’d be on a date, and he’d be pulling it out as he headed to the bathroom. We’d be on a romantic vacation in Mykonos, and he couldn’t put the thing down. I mean, WTF? You’re 5000 miles away from anybody you know. We’re here to get our relationship back on track. Of course, I now realize that he was busy scoring drugs on the island, so of course he had to have that damned phone there.
Now I’m with a man who seldom, if ever picks up his cell phone. If he has to take or make a call, he does it in my present. And, like you, he asks me to pick it up if it rings and I’m near it. Amazing, huh?
Like you, I got lucky — I met a good, decent, open and honest man — a true 180 from the S-ex. It is a long road, and the trip on that road does require us to “stop and smell the roses” (learn about ourselves before we get involved with somebody new on the rebound). And the new road also requires us to stop visiting our old hunting grounds and start exploring new territory (date people besides our “type”, go to church instead of a bar). But, I agree, in the end, it is a journey worth taking.
Hey Matt !
Your post made me nod up and down…saying yep..yep..been there…done that…and then YES!!!! Happy for you!!! It is a long road…but it just gets better with each lesson and learning process. Its SO HARD to envision in the beginning and even middle of the road – but with change and a commitment to change and ourselves – anything is possible!! Im raising my cup of tea to you and toasting “new beginnings within” for all of us!
Matt & learnthelesson,
There must be a script out there for the S’s regarding the cell phone and computers.
Mine did the same thing, stepping outside to take calls, make calls and countless text messages sent and received at all hours of the day and night. EVEN when we were traveling recently to “fix our relationship”. The best one was when this past Friday, I got an “I miss you” text an hour after talking to him on the phone were he said nothing of the sort. When I saw it, I knew it wasn’t meant for me….so when I confronted him on it he admitted to sending it out to 10-15 people (AKA other women) to see who would bite! Unbelivable!!!!
I look to you both as inspiration for light at the end of the tunnel.
Hi Guys
Thanks again for all the advice. To answer question yes Im 20 years old (and he is 31) and he did spend most of his 20’s in prison for violent offences including Serious assault, Assault to severe Injury with permanant disfigurment (I think that was the knife thing and attempted murder (which he got off with) I have read in depth his cases and am aware of how nasty and violent he can be. I have also heard many mant more stories and seen a few instances myself of how vicious he can be. (although he tells me thats nothing and he never wants me to see THAT side of him) ASnd it was in prison he was diagnoised he saw a shrink for a while along with his probation but I think they thought it was pointless and he said to me he was always to scatted to say what realy when on in his head incase they sectioned him. He does have an amazing ability to charm anybody, doctors, probation workers, therapists etc. (Even my threapist thinks he cant be a true S that he must care about me more than I think he does ”“ yeah right YOU try living with him!)
Thats the other thing evveryone says its my low self esteem that is the problem that I keep thinking I am not good enugh for him and am just being paranoid and will drive him away. I dont actully agree with this but i suppose if enough people are saying it.
Anyway so he got out yesterday and things were actully OK he didn’t kick off or bitch or moan about anything He seemed fairly happy. Told me he missed me that he wants me to stop supporting him financially as its making him lazy. He did go out at 11pm to look for drugs and didn’t come back til after I had left for work this morning, got a phone call an hour ago asking what happened. I told him I have no idea but you better straighten up casue you’ve got important stuff to do today (he was in some shape!) Still don’t know how welcome I am around him now, seemed happy to have my company last night but dont know about tonight or over the weekend.
My family and friends do know about him and all want me to get as far away from him as possible. My friends find him charming when he is behaving but they all know the other side to him and tend to tiptoe around him. My family have no intrest in meeting him but are apparently all worried that he is going to kill me. I do try to tell them not to be so mellow dramatic ”“ he doesn’t care about me enough to hit me, let alone kill me.
I think that Leona Lewis song describes it well:
“Trying hard not to hear but they talk so loud,
Their pericing sounds fill my ears,
tryin to fill me with doubt,
Yet I know that their goal is to keep me from falling,
But nothings greater than the risk that comes with your embrace
Yet everyone around me thinks that I’m going crazy, maybe..
But I don’t care what they say, I’m In love with You,
They try to pull me away but they don’t know the truth”