Editor’s note: Lovefraud received the following story from a woman who we’ll call “Trista.” She tells her story of being dismissed with a shrug.
I met the man who has been my husband for 30 years in a language school. He was serious, but could be funny, a bit shy, but also had a way with words. He had beautiful eyes and lots of girls were in love with him. I was no exception, but it was me he chose to go out with.
The relationship soon took off and we were a pair. Those first days were good; I had no idea I was dealing with a sociopath. When I took him to meet my mother, however, when things were very serious between us, she said that she thought he needed some “help.” I dismissed it.
I did realize how quickly he took offense for the least of things, and how quick he was to respond with offensive words to other people. Soon after we married I started to see more and more of his temper, that other people called a “short fuse,” but it was still directed to others, not to me. My time would come.
Controlling the money
My S was very controlling with money, getting angry even if I bought him a present that he thought cost more than I could spend. He continued to control me through money for all those 30 years, never allowing me to go to the supermarket on my own, not giving me money to any expense, and having screaming fits if I did anything like taking the initiative of paying for a small cheap portrait of our infant daughter. My friends and family thought him “odd,” and because I was so afraid that some people would do or say the wrong thing near him and trigger a terrible scene, I started avoiding most of my friends. We lived on our own with our two small kids, and provided that I would not ask for money or invite people who could get him in a mood, life was sort of ok.
Church was another problem. As a Christian, I was used to church life and he was brought up in a Christian environment as well. However, we could not be in any church together. Something would happen, something the preacher said or that other people said would trigger his horrendous fits of rage. I used to be terrified in church, paying attention to where the sermon would lead in case it would touch some subject that he would find offensive. I remember real terror while in church, till the last time he stormed out of the building and verbally attacked the pastor at the door. I never went to church with him again, but I also could not go alone, in case he thought I did not think him fit to go to church. This would cause even more problems. In the end I gave up church altogether, but not my Christian faith.
Holidays on his own
In the middle of the 90’s he started going on holidays on his own, to countries in Europe. I was never invited, not thought of, as I stayed behind to look after the house and teenagers. I don’t believe that he had one minute of doubt about the propriety of a married man in his 50’s going to holidays alone every year. I decided not to say anything.
I was still very scared of confronting him about anything; his rages were severe and I was scared because his eyes would change to look like glass when he was angry. He would scream not to touch him, to get away from him and his eyes would go big and glazed. Once when he was driving, somehow something we said got him in one of his tempers and he drove with fury near getting on the pavement, and barely missing a lady and a child. My daughter was in the car with me and we both thought we would die as well. He had no control over himself. A bit later on he started breaking things, like the Christmas tree, ornaments, and also pushed me against a table, I bruised my ribs and had to go to the hospital next day.
He got a job as a teacher in a University. He can somehow give a good interview and charm others, he is intelligent and cultured. Later on, when they see the problems, it is usually too late. His boss has already commented on his “glazed eyes.”
In love with Poland
As part of this job, he got a trip to Poland. When he came back, he was a man completely taken by the Polish life and people, in such a way that I can only describe as sick. My house immediately became full of Polish ornaments, his friends became only Polish people, he became obsessed by them, in the same way he became obsessed in the past by other cultures like the South Americans, the Russians, the Orientals. He had “phases” when he only talked and walked around people of those cultures, now it was the Polish. I knew it well, but could not foresee a new developement: He “fell in love” with a Polish boy.
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I was away for some weeks visiting my family and when I came back there was something different about him. He had bought a mobile phone, was using it every minute, and hiding in the garden to talk. I also got an email he passed to this boy and it was a complete sop, an email a man writes to his girl. I got the phone number of the boy, went to talk to him, who was only 20 (my S is 57) and did not know about the situation; he had a girlfriend! It was in my S ‘s mind; he interpreted friendship for another thing. This boy was his former student.
The S in my life even said after being discovered that he needed the excitement and when I pointed out the absurdity of a 57 married man who is a grandfather chasing a 20 year old boy who is younger than his son or nephews, he simply said “he had no one for him,” meaning, “I did not have to account for my actions to his family, since he has none.” He continued to behave in the most shameless manner, telling our friends that he was in love with a boy and alienating our friends even further, telling his family that both him and my son had Polish people in their lives (because my son had had a Polish girlfriend). He even asked me why I thought that I was God’s will for him and not that boy. I was speechless.
Mask slipped
From them on I argued with him for two years about the impropriety of such things, the absurdity of it, but he denies having done anything. When I talked to the boy I was made aware that he had invited him for a weekend trip and I got it just in time. He tried to blame me for his actions and denies having done me any harm or the children. However, our family is in tatters and I have filed for divorce with the support of my children. I have seen a counselor, who also saw him and he told me to leave him and that he has been cheating on me all my life. This boy was not the first one, but now the mask has slipped. Interesting enough, other people have used that term to refer to him, my friend said she always saw him as having a mask; my brother said that “his plug fell.”
At the moment he is still denying the boy was more than friendship, even after the fact that he took our wedding ring off and told me he was not married to me, didn’t want me, didn’t love me, and cried like a baby for this boy. I have all the evidence; he still denies it and makes me feel I’m somehow to blame. For two years I went nearly crazy because of his faulty logic, his coldness, his shameless deeds. He still denies that he has done wrong.
He has no remorse, no thought of me or the children about it all; he considers himself a good Christian who goes to church every Sunday but never learns anything. He said that when he did it (about the boy) I never entered his mind.
I’m now nearly divorced and have nothing else to do with him. He is still involved with the Polish, and is dressing up as a 20 year old himself, walking with groups of young people. My son is ashamed of him and my daughter says she hardly knows him. He couldn’t care less for me, his wife of 30 years. I was dismissed with a shrug.
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height of confusion:
my girl, i know what you are trying to say when, ‘he doesn’t care about me enough to hit me, let alone kill me.’ but it is twisted as hell.
Someone who cared enough about you would not have you support him (and that he says he wants to change this is because a) it is a ploy for sympathy, b) he feels he has gotten everything he can already c) he is getting ready to make something your fault);
Would not have your friends and family worrying for your life (with his violent past they have EVERY reason to believe that he could and would kill you. HOW COME YOU DON’T? KILLING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PASSION/ CARING, OR YOUR RELATIVE INSIGNIFICANCE TO THE SCHEME OF THINGS, THESE FOLKS KILL, ‘BECAUSE THEY CAN’);
Would not be putting you at risk through exposing you to illegal activity – he has just broken his probation, within a few hours of release. so much for staying clean. and if you think he spent last night alone, you might want to rethink that one;
Would care about your dealing with depression and be trying to support you through it. no, i know he isn’t. everything is about him.
You aren’t going to drive him away through ‘paranoia’. he will come and go as he wishes, that’s the nature of the beast, and so is the fact that no love will ‘get through’ to him. no one can love him well. not possible, not happening. i don’t care if you ARE paranoid – you are at risk. Your posts have gotten some strong reaction on lf – there IS a reason for that. we have all read only a couple of posts from you and we know you are at risk.
You think you are no more than a piece of toilet paper – and he can use you in any way he wants. My girl, don’t you see this? Can you entertain that no matter what you feel about yourself and him that this IS PATENTLY NOT TRUE?
I do haer what your saying and I honestly do agree with it. But it dosen’t make my feeling any less real or the hurt any less painful. He did call this morning freaking out about the fact he had stayed out all night saying “I know what you must be thinking another woman spending the night with your man but she was upstairs in bed and I was on the sofa then her boyfreind came back……….” Getting sick of his lies I just said “It’s not about being jealous – I was worried about you – the state you were in” He seems shocked that I actully don’ty care where he goes or what he does (as long as he comes back) but it has just got to the point I am to exhausted to care.
As for the money think well he says every now and agin thins like he dosent want me suporting him or one day he will be paying me back 10 times over etc etc. I don’t really believe anyy of this but it’s a nice idea. I think he says it to make himself feel better or maybe to make me feel better I don’t know really.
As for the whole “He’s going to kill me” thing I can’t exsplain it but I just really feel that he will never hit me (let alone anything else) obviously with his past and everything I can understand that everything points to he will and I could be wrong but i just really honestly don’t think he cares enough to bother. He has beeen violent and done horrific things to ex’s in the past (does that mean they meant more to him than I do?) But I just think I could push him, leave him, cheat on him and all he would do is walk away (maybe cause he knows thats what would hurt me most)
Doubt I will see him tonight as he will be recovering from last nights antics. He has meetings with probation officers and things today – wonder how he will get on (probably wrap them round his little finger as usual lol)
hieghtofconfusion:
You said:
‘But it dosen’t make my feeling any less real or the hurt any less painful.’ – and THIS is the thing you can shift. This is what you have power over.
what we do in life, who we hang out with – these things are practice and the more we do what we do, the more we set ourselves to live in a particular way. YOU can change the trajectory of your life. You have the opportunity.
I hope you get VERY sick of his lies.
You are worth so much more. No contest.
one step
Thanks but i don’t really beleive that – I do feel like he is all I have got – the only thing in my life worth keeping going for.
I realise those things are choices but it is very difficult. At least for me. Maybe I’m just not that strong a person.
However since meeting my boyfriend I have changed my life quite drastily for the better. I don’t do harmful things I used to do, I have become a better peron and more confident. I have more drive and desire to do well in life (for his sake) so I guess I have to thank him for that. However I beleive without him I would spirl into the same pit of depression and self abuse I spent my teenage years in.
Thants why I try so hard with him. And I do also wonder surely some people like him do settle down evevtually. I mean obviously they are not easy people to live with but it has to be possible in some cases right?
heightofconfusion – I hope my approach has not added to your sense of dis-empowerment. It apologize if it has. Not my intention at all.
I am glad you have made some very serious positive changes. that’s awesome. There are people here who have risen out of great adversity – some of us have more things in common with you than you would imagine.
about your last line: nope, sorry, don’t believe it.
no one here has had that experience.
i recently googled a P i knew when i was 18. He is a criminal – and in his 70’s now, and still at it…and that’s just the stuff that he has been caught for.
i spent my 30’s in depression. and ill. i have had my ass kicked by life and the spath. and guess what – I am NOT spiraling into the abyss again. It is possible for things to change. one of the most important things for me is support. And in this moment in my life i am getting huge support here on lf.
keep reading here, keep posting.
Thanks that is actully quite comforting to know.
About the part about some of them must end up in relationships (even unhappy ones) and calm down at some point I think I read in Without Conscience by Dr Hare that some of them do. I don’t mean to say that it will happen in my case or that it’s common or that people here may have exsperiance it but I can’t shake the idea that surely it’s got to happen soometimes? I mean they make up a surprisingly high percentage of the population surely they can’t all remain loners for their entire lives? I don’t know I guess thats part of wjhy I try so hard. I can accept that he will never have any real feelings for me and would leave me if something better came along but maybe if I just try a bit harder, love him a bit more, get things right, make sure everything is as perfect for him as I can – it will at leaset keep him arounf as long as possib;e………….
Guess I’m just soppy because he is being nice to me at the moment.
hofc: (you gotta get a shorter name! 🙂 )
bargaining and denial will take their time. keep going. you’ll work through them.
i think they are all loners for their whole lives because of what they are. regardless of whether or not they are coupled. make sense?
he’s just a shell, and you are relating to him as a shell, too – you say that it doesn’t matter if he cares for you, or what he does, as long as he is around. so, what’s attractive about him? and i am not being facetious when i ask that. they all have their charms.
and what makes you smile? do you have animals, or favourite music? do you know about ‘to write love on her arms? check it out online.
gotta go.
take care,
one step
Lol sorry.
Yeah that does make sense – it’s the way I see him almost like a ghost – there but not really.
But obviously yes he has his attracitive points, funny, intelligent, can be so sweet and caring, affectoinate, charm the birds of of the trees. Everyone wants to be around him. They fall over themselves to be in his good graces.
I do like animals although lately have had this feeling of not really being able to connect to anything (I looked after his dog for several months but couldn’t really say I got attached) Music yes Rap music preferably but anything thats a bit dark and depressing and exspresses how I feel.
Never heard of that other thing but will check it out.
Thanks x
hofc: still here. need to stick around for a meeting.
this might be a little wild but check out diamand gallas on youtube.
she did a piece called plague mass in the 80’s that blew me away (she screams like a banshee on that, sure she has wrecked her vocal chords)
i bought a cactus when i was depressed, and that bugger grew like crazy, in the middle of winter. gave me hope. seriously.
i suspect the feeling of disconnect is not all depression, but has to do with this relationship. I still feel disconnected from people – am doing a whole shift about how i look at people and life, so my energy is very inward and protective of myself.
one step
Height–I am coming into this late but want to mention a couple of things….
When I was in my early 20s I had a job as a “jailhouse civil rights activist” which meant I went to the local jail daily and interviewed inmates about living conditions, etc.
Well, I met a guy in his late 30s who was about to be released. He had a long history of incarceration for violence, including domestic violence. And I thought…he won’t hit me…he says he loves me…I felt happy and loved…
And then one evening I said something I thought was fine, and he slugged me, hard. I managed to leave, long story short, before I left town he had blown up my car (as in totally blown up/burned) was stalking me and was threatening to kill me.
They aren’t called “cons” for nothin’. He (and a lot of the inmates I met through my job) was very charming, intelligent, creative…and I was young and totally taken in by him.
Leaving him was very hard, even after all of the crap and horror I went through. Some sort of Stockholm Syndrome I think.
I returned to town after finding out he’d violated parole again and was in prison. I bought a gun. And I was scared for years. In fact, about 10 years later I was looking over the lettuce at the market and heard a voice behind me say, “I know you live on ___ street.” It was him and he was right–my young daughter and I did live exactly where he said. I turned, smiled, shook his hand, said how nice to see you, how are you, you look great…and left the store shaken beyond belief.
I went to my apt., packed and left. Another 10 years pass and I see him again. This time he was clearly dying of what I think was full-blown AIDS.
(he used heroin) Knowing he’s gone is a relief.
But, he isn’t the reason I’m on Lovefraud.
My ex-P husband is now 68 years old. Alone. Looking for both female and male company–female for a “serious relationship” and male for sex. Profiles for women on internet dating sites, and for men on “adult” internet dating sites.
He’s a PhD in clinical psychology and retired college professor. A published author. He is charming, bright, funny, etc. I thought HE would never hit me, ever. He was from a wealthy family, very “spiritual”, a guru type guy. And…he choked me, threw me on the ground, stepped on me, etc. That’s just the physical stuff.
The first time he choked me I was stunned. Then he denied he’d choked me, and said the red marks on my neck must be a rash or something…
And then there’s my dad–a retired high-ranking, always on TV, respected cop. 84 years old. And STILL a sadist. At 84. My daughter is 35 and we all live in the same town–me, my dad, my daughter. My daughter has met him twice. She couldn’t recognize him in a line-up. I wouldn’t let him near her–not that he ever expressed any interest in her. But I wasn’t taking any chances.
There are some people who are so poisonous, so dangerous, and yet appear so wonderful. My friends thought my dad was great. Funny, charming, you name it…I guess my point is these people do not change or “get better” with age. You can never love them enough–they aren’t about love. They can learn how to *mimic* loving behaviour–that’s it. The rest is pure manipulation.
Years ago my aunt casually said to me, “I don’t think your father has ever had an honest emotion in his life.” Summed him up perfectly.
And guys who have been in jail are not afraid to go back. They usually have very poor impulse control and can be really dangerous.
I was a sensitive, depressed teenager and young adult and thought these guys “understood” me. (Not my dad–his brand of Psychopathology was/is extreme)
My ex was quite a bit older than me and I thought he was “safe” given his age and occupation and status. The ex-con was wishful thinking. And I hoped my dad would get better with age. No.
Most of my life I lived on the edge of that abyss and it feels terrifying and bottomless. Except it isn’t. Disconnection can be a useful tool for self-protection. I experienced that a lot in my life…now I don’t need it so much…I took baby steps. I slowly woke up. I wanted a horse–had one as a kid, teen and into my 20s, but felt it was too big a commitment and what if I fell into the abyss and couldn’t take care of one. I finally got up the courage and bought a sweet little mare a couple of years ago. It’s fantastic to just go and wrap my arms around her.
Learning to stop being so afraid…learning to deal with PTSD…
learning there are people who “have never had an honest emotion in their lives= liberation…enjoying the smell of bedsheets dried in the sun…being free.
Onestep–I understand about the cactus.
And sorry this is so long!