Editor’s note: Lovefraud received the following story from a woman who we’ll call “Trista.” She tells her story of being dismissed with a shrug.
I met the man who has been my husband for 30 years in a language school. He was serious, but could be funny, a bit shy, but also had a way with words. He had beautiful eyes and lots of girls were in love with him. I was no exception, but it was me he chose to go out with.
The relationship soon took off and we were a pair. Those first days were good; I had no idea I was dealing with a sociopath. When I took him to meet my mother, however, when things were very serious between us, she said that she thought he needed some “help.” I dismissed it.
I did realize how quickly he took offense for the least of things, and how quick he was to respond with offensive words to other people. Soon after we married I started to see more and more of his temper, that other people called a “short fuse,” but it was still directed to others, not to me. My time would come.
Controlling the money
My S was very controlling with money, getting angry even if I bought him a present that he thought cost more than I could spend. He continued to control me through money for all those 30 years, never allowing me to go to the supermarket on my own, not giving me money to any expense, and having screaming fits if I did anything like taking the initiative of paying for a small cheap portrait of our infant daughter. My friends and family thought him “odd,” and because I was so afraid that some people would do or say the wrong thing near him and trigger a terrible scene, I started avoiding most of my friends. We lived on our own with our two small kids, and provided that I would not ask for money or invite people who could get him in a mood, life was sort of ok.
Church was another problem. As a Christian, I was used to church life and he was brought up in a Christian environment as well. However, we could not be in any church together. Something would happen, something the preacher said or that other people said would trigger his horrendous fits of rage. I used to be terrified in church, paying attention to where the sermon would lead in case it would touch some subject that he would find offensive. I remember real terror while in church, till the last time he stormed out of the building and verbally attacked the pastor at the door. I never went to church with him again, but I also could not go alone, in case he thought I did not think him fit to go to church. This would cause even more problems. In the end I gave up church altogether, but not my Christian faith.
Holidays on his own
In the middle of the 90’s he started going on holidays on his own, to countries in Europe. I was never invited, not thought of, as I stayed behind to look after the house and teenagers. I don’t believe that he had one minute of doubt about the propriety of a married man in his 50’s going to holidays alone every year. I decided not to say anything.
I was still very scared of confronting him about anything; his rages were severe and I was scared because his eyes would change to look like glass when he was angry. He would scream not to touch him, to get away from him and his eyes would go big and glazed. Once when he was driving, somehow something we said got him in one of his tempers and he drove with fury near getting on the pavement, and barely missing a lady and a child. My daughter was in the car with me and we both thought we would die as well. He had no control over himself. A bit later on he started breaking things, like the Christmas tree, ornaments, and also pushed me against a table, I bruised my ribs and had to go to the hospital next day.
He got a job as a teacher in a University. He can somehow give a good interview and charm others, he is intelligent and cultured. Later on, when they see the problems, it is usually too late. His boss has already commented on his “glazed eyes.”
In love with Poland
As part of this job, he got a trip to Poland. When he came back, he was a man completely taken by the Polish life and people, in such a way that I can only describe as sick. My house immediately became full of Polish ornaments, his friends became only Polish people, he became obsessed by them, in the same way he became obsessed in the past by other cultures like the South Americans, the Russians, the Orientals. He had “phases” when he only talked and walked around people of those cultures, now it was the Polish. I knew it well, but could not foresee a new developement: He “fell in love” with a Polish boy.
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I was away for some weeks visiting my family and when I came back there was something different about him. He had bought a mobile phone, was using it every minute, and hiding in the garden to talk. I also got an email he passed to this boy and it was a complete sop, an email a man writes to his girl. I got the phone number of the boy, went to talk to him, who was only 20 (my S is 57) and did not know about the situation; he had a girlfriend! It was in my S ‘s mind; he interpreted friendship for another thing. This boy was his former student.
The S in my life even said after being discovered that he needed the excitement and when I pointed out the absurdity of a 57 married man who is a grandfather chasing a 20 year old boy who is younger than his son or nephews, he simply said “he had no one for him,” meaning, “I did not have to account for my actions to his family, since he has none.” He continued to behave in the most shameless manner, telling our friends that he was in love with a boy and alienating our friends even further, telling his family that both him and my son had Polish people in their lives (because my son had had a Polish girlfriend). He even asked me why I thought that I was God’s will for him and not that boy. I was speechless.
Mask slipped
From them on I argued with him for two years about the impropriety of such things, the absurdity of it, but he denies having done anything. When I talked to the boy I was made aware that he had invited him for a weekend trip and I got it just in time. He tried to blame me for his actions and denies having done me any harm or the children. However, our family is in tatters and I have filed for divorce with the support of my children. I have seen a counselor, who also saw him and he told me to leave him and that he has been cheating on me all my life. This boy was not the first one, but now the mask has slipped. Interesting enough, other people have used that term to refer to him, my friend said she always saw him as having a mask; my brother said that “his plug fell.”
At the moment he is still denying the boy was more than friendship, even after the fact that he took our wedding ring off and told me he was not married to me, didn’t want me, didn’t love me, and cried like a baby for this boy. I have all the evidence; he still denies it and makes me feel I’m somehow to blame. For two years I went nearly crazy because of his faulty logic, his coldness, his shameless deeds. He still denies that he has done wrong.
He has no remorse, no thought of me or the children about it all; he considers himself a good Christian who goes to church every Sunday but never learns anything. He said that when he did it (about the boy) I never entered his mind.
I’m now nearly divorced and have nothing else to do with him. He is still involved with the Polish, and is dressing up as a 20 year old himself, walking with groups of young people. My son is ashamed of him and my daughter says she hardly knows him. He couldn’t care less for me, his wife of 30 years. I was dismissed with a shrug.
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Height of Confusion,
Im actually concerned you havent nearly hit the height of confusion yet…and that the worst is yet to come. Please try to take a day or two devoted just to reading old articles on LF…go through the Archives and find articles that relate to what you are dealing with. You will be blown away by the way you can relate to so many people who have been stuck in unhealthy, dysfunctional, depressed and DANGEROUS relationships.
You said
” Still don’t know how welcome I am around him now, seemed happy to have my company last night but dont know about tonight or over the weekend.”
Some day you WILL see that being confused and not knowing how things are going to be or how he feels about you from one day to the next….some day…. YOU WILL SEE…that this is no way to live.
I wonder – how welcome is HE around YOU now? knowing he chose to be out all night (god knows where ) on what I think was his first night back?? I wonder did he enjoy your company or use you last night?
Also, everything he does you seem content to find an excuse for or defend in some round about way…or joke about it…or say you are just too tired to care about any of it. Does this include being too tired to care about yourself?
And when the day comes that he physically hurts you (altho you dont believe its possible – trust ALL OF US – its not only possible but very probable on the path you are taking with him…but will you also make excuses then too… saying he didnt mean it…or it was just one time..??
Many women here have WALKED IN YOUR SHOES…LF is here for so many reasons, not only a place to talk and be heard…but a place to READ, AND LISTEN AND LEARN AND TAKE GIANT LEAPS OF FAITH TO BELIEVE IN YOURSELF. Sadly, you are the only one who can make these choices. You are the only one making every choice you presently are to settle for the safety and security of dysfunction WITH SOMEONE, rather than deal with it alone.
You said you dont want to leave because youre afraid you cant deal with the depression and anxiety,etc by yourself. I mentioned before you technically already are doing it by yourself …except when he is around he is with you — complaining, bitching, borrowing, using, lying, cheating. But yet it makes you feel less alone when he is at least “there”.
Imagine if he left and you finally faced your fears about dealing with your depression and anxieties and things bottled up in you since you were young — imagine the possibilities of seeking help — and finding a real MAN to treat you like the beautiful soul you are and deserve. Because its possible – but only when you are ready. In the meantime we are all here for you to support you through your journey. Please try to take the time to read old articles here on LF.. it may just open your eyes and help you to see through the confusion to the truth. YOU DESERVE A BETTER LIFE. YOU TRULY DO
Height Of Confusion,
The truth about domestic violence is pretty cut and dried. A man generally doesn’t hit you until he gets you where he wants you.
And the man that you are with “has you where he wants you”.
They work on verbal abuse and mental abuse usually before they become physical. Make you feel really BAD about yourself. Depressed, unworthy, unattractive, WHATEVER they can do to make you feel bad about who you are and what you DESERVE. They make you feel insecure. Like you NEED them to survive.
THE BEST indicator of FUTURE behavior is PAST behavior.
This man is a bad man.
You deserve so much better. Please do not look at what he is saying. (lies) Look at what he is doing (facts)
Read story here on Lf : Marriage to a sociopath ends in murder. And click on the red link to read the full story.
This is the worst possible case senerio. But you are a young woman and you have your whole life ahead of you. PLEASE get away from this guy.
Hi Guys
Thanks again for all the input..
Erm not really sure where to sraer I guess to say that I have been reading LF since November Articles and comments but have reread some of the suggested one to try and see them with fresh eyes (hoping something clicks i guess) and yes it is truely amazing how similar some peoples stories are to mine. It is so comforting just to know other people have been through the same ything (and survived)
As for me being ready to leave him I am no where near – the more nasty he is to me the harder I try to please him. I have had previous bad relationships – not with men with his mental problems or violent past but bad guys all the same who treated me like crap (worse than my current boyfriend foes) and I stuck it out til the bitter end put up with a hell of alot more than I am at the moment and the pattern is the same, I stick it out til they get bored of me and then I become a wreck (suicidal, end up in hospital etc) can’t hold down a job (got 2 at the moment) everything just goes to bits. I can’t cope I know that and I’m just not prepared to do that to myself willingly it’ll happen on its own anyway – I’m just trying to prolong it.
As for the violence thing I know how it looks and every logic part of my brain tells me he will get violent – there is every reason to thing he will and no reason to thing he wont. I could be wrong but I just don’t think he will, I honestly believe he does care enough ro get that angry with me. He has never had a relationship that has lasted as long as this one has and he has always been violent. Which means going by his pattern he should have been violent ages ago.
Not with him tonight so don’t know where he is or what he is doing but he did call me to ask what happened last night. Which yes was he first night back.
HofC:
you said:
‘I could be wrong but I just don’t think he will, I honestly believe he does care enough ro get that angry with me. ‘
he is a diagnosed sociopath. the other experiences you have had hold little weight here – he does not have to care or not care. THEY LIVE IN A DIFFERENT PARADIGM. You have no idea what might make things swing that way for him. just sayin.
besy,
one step
AND, HofC:
You actually CAN do something different this time – you DON’T have to go to hell to crawl to a place of no abuse. Just sayin.
best,
one step
CAmom- your post broke my heart. (((((((((((((((hugs))))))))))))))
Like I said I could be totally wrong and maybe he will get violent one day – and if he does going by his past it will be brutal. But I just really don’t see it. I do promise to admit it to you guys if he ever does though.
But thats really not by biggest worry just now, my biggest worry is him leaving me – i honestly don’t beleive I’d cope.
Learned,Onestep, Wits,Camom-sorry if I left anyone out. I am proud of you guys for taking so much time in sharing sooo much truth, wisdom, and loving advice to Heightofc.
I too had some very strong responses as I, like you, can see where h-of-c needs help. A therapist could NOT give her such sound advice as you guys. You are really laying it out there in very personable, heart wrenching real life experiences.
HeightofC- I’m sorry if you don’t have family who you can share this with but here on LF- You are cared for and we. as hopefully you can see by now, will always be here for you.
You may not like what you are being told, but know that we will always shoot straight with you- as it has been said- The truth will set you free- BUT FIRST it will piss you off!
I pray that the “fog” of this brainwashing this man has you in will be gone and that the truth will be CLEAR to you, and you will get away safely.
PLEASE hide your money-not in the house, my x S went thru the entire house finding all money he could find as he innately knew somehow that his time with me was almost over. Keep it away in a bank acct. that he dosent know about.
Have a safety plan- a certain phrase you could say to a neighbor or friend that shows them you need help. Keep car keys where you can get to them easily-better yet have a 2nd set hidden out.
Know that an aerasol can of oven cleaner can be used like pepper spray-keep cans of it around.BUT- Don’t rely on false security in an attack situation- Realise that locked doors can be broken very easily. (my x P broke down 2 locked doors in a second flat while in a S rage)
Understand that fighting back with a violent criminal is NOT a likely option for you. An S fights to win=destroy. YOU are NO MATCH for a man who HAS used his hands as a deadly weapon.
When you get to the point of forcing him to leave- please blog here or other sources for advice. The time of breaking up is the MOST dangerous time for women in risk of DV.
BEST advice hands down for a known criminal P to get rid of him is to “appear” really broke, in need of help, boring, non sexual, and uninteresting. Make it so he wants to leave, no benefit to staying- then you may just get lucky enough that he disappears without numerous police escorts.
You say he dosent care enough to start trouble with you- You are dead wrong- CARING is not part of the equation. Its irrelevant , null and void- he just wants to win/destroy.
I hope you never experience the wild eyed animalistic rage that explodes from nowhere and chills you to the bone, crushing your body and spirit. I have, and others have.
Re read the above posts, these precious girls didnt pour their hearts out to you to steer you wrong.
Pray for strength, and you will find it. xoxo
Height of Confusion – You say you become suicidal and go to bits, you say you stick around until they are bored with you and then they leave and you fall apart. I assume you have been down this road before? how many times? Is this a pattern with you? Are you hearing what you are saying? Could it be that you are gettin involved with the same kind of losers over and over? Well you just described me. Or at least who I used to be. This last romance from hell did me in though. i just could not or can not do this anymore. fortunatley for me I was forced to look at my patterns. Why i fall for such losers and think I am worse a loser than he. But some good came out of my last relationship from hell. After picking myself up off the floor, going to therapy and learning about sociopaths and personality disorders, yes his and mine, I was forced to take a hard look at myself, my past, my patterns, the why and why nots. This is a Life Lesson – please learn from this…and i know exactly why you make excuses for him and why you feel you cant live without him. But you can and you will. You are understood here and if you do the work on YOU, then you will understand why.
Sabrina – xoxo !!! Im getting to bed SO late tonight, but I just checked in…
H-O-C –
You sound like you have a firm understanding of your choices and the path you wish to continue to choose for yourself. Nobody can ever steer you or advise you in a direction you dont want to go. When you want to be in a different place – you can and will make it happen.
I use to think the same way about “he never had a relationship as long as this one – and I thought – WOW, I must be so special to him…BUT NOPE, I was just the naiive and not so bright hopeful one – all the others were smart enough to get out, get away or were physically abused so many times that their friends and family insisted they stop seeing him… the reasons he was with me, stayed with me so long were in fact none of the reasons I thought…. he stayed because I allowed him to take advantage of me and emotionally abuse me.. because I knew very little about how to end the cycle of dysfunctional relationships in my life – until I was ready to find myself.
I respect your words :
“As for me being ready to leave him I am no where near ”“ the more nasty he is to me the harder I try to please him.
“I have had previous bad relationships ”“ bad guys all the same who treated me like crap (worse than my current boyfriend foes) and I stuck it out til the bitter end put up with a hell of alot more than I am at the moment and the pattern is the same,
“I stick it out til they get bored of me and then I become a wreck (suicidal, end up in hospital etc) can’t hold down a job –
“can’t cope I know that and I’m just not prepared to do that to myself willingly it’ll happen on its own anyway ”“ I’m just trying to prolong it”
I do think after multiple dysfunctional relationships we begin to rationalize negative attention is better than none at all. And/or perhaps its easier to hurt than to be alone… none of us are above you…many of us have been where you are in a dysfunctional situation with another (in some form or another). But I know I speak for many of us when I say I hope you choose to save yourself – rather than to totally lose yourself over and over again from the severe emotional abuse of a bad man.
My thoughts and prayers are with you as you grow and learn and continue to figure out whats best for you.