UPDATED FOR 2024. Editor’s note: This story was submitted by the Lovefraud reader who we’ll call “Margie.” She was still in love with the jerk she met — even after learning he was a criminal.
One night I went to a bar by myself (but always knew someone there). I sat at the bar next to this lady I knew and started talking to her. Well Steve (my ex-sociopath—not his real name) was sitting next to her talking to her. I thought he was kind of cute so started flirting. He actually said to me that night, “I think I like you better,” like he had his sights on my friend first. He bought me a flower and all my drinks the rest of the night. Well that should have been my first and only red flag to run, but I didn’t! But stupid, naive me (never dealing with a sociopath before that is) fell for his good looks, as he was 6’1″, blond and blue eyes and had a football player’s body!
Well he told me he had to catch a bus in the morning to Fargo, ND to his mother’s house that he could not miss. I had NO idea he was just let out of prison! Well we proceeded to drink and get totally drunk that night and ended up at my cozy apartment that I lived in alone. The next morning we overslept and he missed his bus (which he should not have because he was to report to Fargo, ND to set up his parole!) and he wasn’t overly upset about it.
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So he stayed on at my house…the first couple of days I thought nothing of it but then I wondered, well, if you are not worried about getting to Fargo, why aren’t you finding a job then?! And at first he was so attentive — he would open the door for me — carry the groceries — cook and clean for me — etc — but was on the computer playing poker and needed his beer constantly like he hadn’t had it in years (which he hadn’t and I didn’t know that — yet!).
Well — finally — my snoopiness (detectiveness) got the best of me and I looked through his belongings in my car trunk. I found parole papers! And I thought — Oh my god! But I was already in Love (lust) with the jerk! So I thought, okay — he loves me — we can make this work — so what if he is on parole.
Stranded
So for awhile, I went to work at my waitress job and picked up beer daily and we drank daily. I relaxed while he sat on the computer playing poker and smoking his cigs and drinking his beer. (He was also emailing many other women I found out later after only being at my place a week!) We then took a weekend trip to North Dakota that turned into a week long trip of me being stranded with no money up there and having to pawn off my 1/3 carat diamond ring to get gas to get home with. Then there was the matter of having to straighten out the bad checks mess he had conned me into writing for beer, food, etc — while in North Dakota (Not to mention the two bar tables he conned out of a bar owner, one of which has his pic on it when he worked there in college)!
And let me add, while he was wooing me at the bar when I met him, he had told me things like he had been a professional football player in Canada. He said he was a college graduate from Jamestown, ND (which was true when I talked to his ex-wife on the phone once), and many, many other lies of great magnitude!
Anyway, we get back from ND and things resume — I am job hunting cause I lost my job at due to us not being able to make it back from being stranded up there! I get a waitress job at Denny’s restaurant then and keep working and coming home with beer (what an enabler I was for god’s sake!) and drinking. All the while he is wooing me with comments like, “I will love you till the end of the earth,” and still cooking for me, etc.
Drums up a story
Then one weekend he drums up the story that they called him from his old professional football team in Canada and they wanted him back and that he had to leave for the weekend (which was Labor Day weekend) for tryouts again. Well as stupid as I was, I believed him (sort of) BUT was beginning to wonder at this point. Well he said some woman was coming to pick him up for this trip — and that is when I KNEW something was not right! My gut said check into this! So anyhow, I had also bought him bottles of vodka besides the beer — he asked me to go get him a little bottle before he left. He claimed he really didn’t want to leave me. Well he even got to the point of being teary-eyed (which was probably all a act now that I think about it) when he was saying goodbye. He packed my 4 man tent with him, which I don’t know why, but he had a lie for that too! This all happened about 2 years ago so it’s getting a bit fuzzy now trying to recall everything.
But, I was alone — he was gone — I had my computer. I had been married to a computer network engineer and was not totally computer illiterate and had a college education (B.S. in Psychology with a Criminal Justice minor). I started pulling up web pages he had been too and somehow was able to recover his password by using my credit card to pay for a website he had been too. By luck it was the same password he had used for hotmail and yahoo and everything! Jackpot!
I read everything in and out and figured out where he went! He met a woman from Narcotics Anonymous in Iowa and went to a church camp retreat with her that Labor Day weekend! Well as good as I am with my detectiveness (lol), I called Narcotics Anonymous and got her phone number (cell even!) and called her and him up! I called and harassed them ALL weekend to the point she said she was going to call her lawyer — and I said DO IT! Cause I knew I had him! He was running from the law — but she had bought in to all his lies and was treating me like crap! Well I even called the cops to go get him arrested at this camp — but do you think the cops believed me! HELL NO — DO THEY EVER! So I guess I had to drop it at this point.
But about a month later I got a call from her and she said — “Okay — I believe you now. He just took off to get some stuff of his in North Dakota and he never came back with the rental car so I filed grand theft charges. Well I gave her all the info she needed to find him but told her she better drop the grand theft charges cause she might be liable somehow for letting him take the car that was in her name! She must have listened cause I never heard he was charged with that, but all my work paid off and he went back to prison for 8 months for being AWOL!
Still in love with the jerk
But it doesn’t end here — I was still in love with the jerk! I wrote to him in prison (90 miles away) and we started corresponding to the point I was hooked again. I sent him stuff, money, letters, and visited faithfully like any good woman (blindly in love) would do! I went as far as finding a house close to the prison when he got work release so he could come visit me every chance he got! Then when he got out of work release, he moved in with me for a bit but was determined to find his own place. That I thought was a dead giveaway — he did not care for me after all.
He was saying his parole officer told him he had to do this and that. But a lot of it did not make sense to me since the other people I was talking to about this said differently. I had many more doubts in my mind at this time! So he got his own little apartment and then I moved from my house to an apartment closer to his. We hung out and drank a lot more, but there were times he wanted me to leave. Geez — I am not that stupid when someone is trying to ditch me!
Married in 3 weeks
Anyway, my suspicions grew and I would check up on him all the time. And then he started to be more distant. Then one day around the end of October around Halloween — he all of a sudden quit coming over, quit calling, an absolute no show! No word from him ever again — he would not answer my phone calls and he was never home. I then found out later he met a woman on singlesnet online and married her within 3 weeks of meeting her! Well I then followed him home after work one night and figured out where he now lived and then saw him and her together and figured out what she drove. I then figured out where she worked and followed her home from work one day and told her this whole exact story! That is when she said, “Thanks — I think.” But I did have many emails and phone calls from his family during this duration and even his own mother and daughter said I was better off without him! If that isn’t a sociopath — I don’t know what is!
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Lovefraud originally posted this story on Feb. 17, 2010.
Hey I have just finished reading your story, and yes you may have giving him too many chances like we all have with our ex-paths, but in the end you really hit him where it hurts! Go you good thing!
It’s good that you can laugh at the situation, that sort of black humour gets you through sometimes.
I can so relate to how you refer to your ‘detectiveness’…boy did I get good at playing detective too. I reckon we could pretty much wipe the floor with any professional Private Investigator (no disrespect to them, they provide a good service).
Good that the new wife listened to you.
I warned my ex’s new gf about him but she chose not to believe me, about anything! She is hooked and he has her wrapped around his little finger, doting on our son and his 2 girls to his ex-wife..I don’t know how on earth she’s going to sustain the relationship as she is a full-time law student with 2 young kids of her own, one which has a learning disability! I really feel sorry for her for not listening!
I was thinking as I read toward the end of your blog, that it’s no wonder we end up being accused of being crazy..it is like a kind of madness that they cause but people who have never ‘been there’ don’t understand.
Keep up the good work 🙂
Rosie from NZ
Dear Margie,
Your story is MY story, only instead of a guy-gal relationship it was a Mother-son con-game.
In fact, if my P-son had been out of prison long enough to have a “relationship” (only 5 months in his entire adult life) I would say you hooked up with HIM.
I’m sorry you had this experience, but you are not the only one here who has “looked over” a convict’s past history, there are lawyers, physicians and therapists here who have been conned. If you had to be conned to find your way HERE, you at least have landed in GREAT COMPANY with some smart and supportive people and some great information here.
Hang around and read and read, all the old articles in the archives, and learn how to spot the red flags. It took me a long time, I’m 63, to get out from under the influence of my P-son and realize he makes your X-BF look like the “tooth fairy”–but life is GOOD on the other side of the fence. It is sure worth it! Again, welcome, and God bless.
Margie:
Looking back…doesn’t it just blow you away what you (I/we) have done….and FOR A DAMN MAN????
If we would only put that sort of energy into ourselves!!!!
I think recon is great…awesome…..and very enlightening….BUT…it’s what we do with it that really counts…
Sometimes it’s just ‘fact’ finding info, sometimes we must act!
I trust you are now listening to your gut….it’ll never steer you wrong.
Women will give their lives for ‘benefit of doubt’…..we must change this….err on the side of caution and run for the hills!
Life has a way of teaching us lessons….and if we don’t ‘get it’ the first time around……don’t duck….cuz it’ll be coming right back around for us to catch on to!
I welcome you to LF, I hope you read, read read and get a clear understanding of all the behaviors and stiuations through others journies.
Take care of YOURSELF darling…..and again Welcome to LF!
I’ve been ‘disecting’ the red flags from the ‘date’ the other night…..
Esshhhh!
I realize….even in this hyper vigilant state…..I’m too ‘benefitty of doubty’ kinda gal…..
As tough as I am….I’m a wimp.
I don’t want to ‘hurt’ anyone (Who hasn’t actively hurt me (yet) ).
In some situations…..I call a spade a spade….but WHY didn’t I call this dude out more harshly?
At one point, he put my hand on his gun…..can we say FREAKY?????
Was this to intimidate me? Or show me he was a gun toting cowboy? Was he showing off???? WTF?
No matter what….it’s inappropriate to carry a gun on a date huh?
At one point, he asked me if my name was the ‘short’ version of my real name….i/e Kathy….Kathleen…..
(NOT my real name)
He said, I think you should go by Kathleen….Kathleen is such a beautiful name…..I said….yeah….but it’s NOT my name….my name is Kathy….JUST Kathy.
Then he went into this song and dance about the name Kathleen…..
I just rolled my eyes…
The original place we met was packed and no where to sit….so I suggested we go to another place….he said….well, will you drive? I said, no…..it’ll be closer for him to get on the hwy from thenew restaurant….he reluctantly said, then i’ll follow you.
Isn’t that weird, that 5 min after meeting, he wanted to go in my car?
Okay….so the freakiest thing of all is……today, I get an email from him…..In response to my email stating…not interested…good luck to you.
“Oh, that’s fine. You’re still welcome to come shooting with me if you like. A girl needs to be able to defend herself, after all. ”
Now remember this dudes (supposidly) a firearm instructor….
I found the last sentence alarming…..given how weird this guy was….
Yeah….if you think I can’t defend myself w/o a gun…..YOUR KIDDING YOURSELF!
AFTER ALL!!!!!!
EB – you sound a bit shook up. a bit scared. second guessing yourself and how you handled things. is this right?
the way i see it – you checked him out – you gave him what 2 hours? not 28 years.
that you didn’t call him out further…that was probably your wisdom, working in the situation.
you set boundaries and you kept them. you watched him from inside your own self – and did not cross over into lala land.
now, i know you didn’t hog tie him and brand him – but …that wasn’t the point was it.
i’ll place my bets on you, that when the iron needs to hit the forge it will – right on the next spathy ass will be seared, ‘EB was here, and you don’t wanna be’.
i hear that softness in you. and what sounds like fear. it’s okay, you did extremely well, and you WILL continue to do extremely well.
hugs,
one step
One:
I’m on the hyper V side….for sure….
I think these days….I would rather err on the side of caution than find myself on the ‘down’ side…..
I don’t know….
I think I just have 2 words…..CELEBATE LESBIAN!!!!!
If I never ever date again…..then I won’t find myself in this predicament huh…..
I’ve just got to learn how to say NO…..or at least fine tune it!
But, i’d like to think there is a person out there I will be happy with and not question?
I think women wrestle with….is he the ‘one’….and when we determine he isn’t……it’s sometimes too late…..or harm done…
Maybe it’s just that I bring my ‘sweet’ EB on the dates…..because if some dude read my posts here and realized if he crossed me I’d kick his ass, in one way or another…..there isn’t a man on the planet that would ‘walk’ in with that knowledge.
Okay EB….BALANCE…….remember the balance….
I hate second guessing myself….
Yeah, and the second guessing if this dude was a stalker and has determined I ‘can’t’ defend myslef…..then I’m in for something….
I’d love to background him….I can’t find any info on the ‘dead’ wife…..I bet she’s not dead….
or if she is….maybe HE killed her…
He said she died of a ‘drug interaction’….she MISTAKENLY took the wrong meds in a ‘fog’ in the middle of the night….
It sounded like he was mimiking Britney Murpheys husbands statements…
Then he said….well ya know, we all knew she had an opiate addiction…..
HEEEEELLLLLOOOOOOOO
He also said dead wifes mother was trying to break them up…..
Heeellloooooo…..
Sounds like some sorta BAD GUY!
At 36 years old…..do parents get involved if they are not truely concerned for their kids safety?
Okay….enough….RED FLAGS, RED FLAGS…
I guess the bottom line is….if someone is going to prey on us….we can’t stop that…..
BUT…..we can remain aware to put a stop to it as soon as we recognize it….
THAT”S WHAT I DID!!!!
PERIOD!
wheres the hog ties and the EB brand!
Thanks One…..
I sound like I’m on Crack!!
🙂
Isn’t it funny how our reactions are so similar?
I just met a dude that lived off a woman for 16 years and does not seem to know why she’d break up with him after she was diagnosed with cancer and went through chimo. he still lives with her and she plans to let him remain there rent free. We do so many wild things for the guys we love. is that maternal?
I also wonder if there are a lot more of these men around than we originally thought. Yeap, Celebacy is a thing to consider for sure.
EB: ‘i sound like i am on crack’ This made me laugh this morning –
You are in good company – someone here told me I sounded like i was on drugs. nooooo.
I really admire you ladies for trying to “warn” the next girl on your sociopath’s list.
That’s really a generous and kind gesture on your part, and goes way above and beyond the call of duty…..at least as far as I am concerned.
There is no way in hell I would ever try to warn the next victim of my ex.
I would rather sit on the sidelines with a bucket of popcorn and a Diet Coke, and watch it all unravel. 🙂
~In my every day life, I only protect those who cannot protect themselves…like children and animals.
Anything beyond that it just too exhausting….and thankless.