UPDATED FOR 2024. Editor’s note: This story was submitted by the Lovefraud reader who we’ll call “Margie.” She was still in love with the jerk she met — even after learning he was a criminal.
One night I went to a bar by myself (but always knew someone there). I sat at the bar next to this lady I knew and started talking to her. Well Steve (my ex-sociopath—not his real name) was sitting next to her talking to her. I thought he was kind of cute so started flirting. He actually said to me that night, “I think I like you better,” like he had his sights on my friend first. He bought me a flower and all my drinks the rest of the night. Well that should have been my first and only red flag to run, but I didn’t! But stupid, naive me (never dealing with a sociopath before that is) fell for his good looks, as he was 6’1″, blond and blue eyes and had a football player’s body!
Well he told me he had to catch a bus in the morning to Fargo, ND to his mother’s house that he could not miss. I had NO idea he was just let out of prison! Well we proceeded to drink and get totally drunk that night and ended up at my cozy apartment that I lived in alone. The next morning we overslept and he missed his bus (which he should not have because he was to report to Fargo, ND to set up his parole!) and he wasn’t overly upset about it.
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So he stayed on at my house…the first couple of days I thought nothing of it but then I wondered, well, if you are not worried about getting to Fargo, why aren’t you finding a job then?! And at first he was so attentive — he would open the door for me — carry the groceries — cook and clean for me — etc — but was on the computer playing poker and needed his beer constantly like he hadn’t had it in years (which he hadn’t and I didn’t know that — yet!).
Well — finally — my snoopiness (detectiveness) got the best of me and I looked through his belongings in my car trunk. I found parole papers! And I thought — Oh my god! But I was already in Love (lust) with the jerk! So I thought, okay — he loves me — we can make this work — so what if he is on parole.
Stranded
So for awhile, I went to work at my waitress job and picked up beer daily and we drank daily. I relaxed while he sat on the computer playing poker and smoking his cigs and drinking his beer. (He was also emailing many other women I found out later after only being at my place a week!) We then took a weekend trip to North Dakota that turned into a week long trip of me being stranded with no money up there and having to pawn off my 1/3 carat diamond ring to get gas to get home with. Then there was the matter of having to straighten out the bad checks mess he had conned me into writing for beer, food, etc — while in North Dakota (Not to mention the two bar tables he conned out of a bar owner, one of which has his pic on it when he worked there in college)!
And let me add, while he was wooing me at the bar when I met him, he had told me things like he had been a professional football player in Canada. He said he was a college graduate from Jamestown, ND (which was true when I talked to his ex-wife on the phone once), and many, many other lies of great magnitude!
Anyway, we get back from ND and things resume — I am job hunting cause I lost my job at due to us not being able to make it back from being stranded up there! I get a waitress job at Denny’s restaurant then and keep working and coming home with beer (what an enabler I was for god’s sake!) and drinking. All the while he is wooing me with comments like, “I will love you till the end of the earth,” and still cooking for me, etc.
Drums up a story
Then one weekend he drums up the story that they called him from his old professional football team in Canada and they wanted him back and that he had to leave for the weekend (which was Labor Day weekend) for tryouts again. Well as stupid as I was, I believed him (sort of) BUT was beginning to wonder at this point. Well he said some woman was coming to pick him up for this trip — and that is when I KNEW something was not right! My gut said check into this! So anyhow, I had also bought him bottles of vodka besides the beer — he asked me to go get him a little bottle before he left. He claimed he really didn’t want to leave me. Well he even got to the point of being teary-eyed (which was probably all a act now that I think about it) when he was saying goodbye. He packed my 4 man tent with him, which I don’t know why, but he had a lie for that too! This all happened about 2 years ago so it’s getting a bit fuzzy now trying to recall everything.
But, I was alone — he was gone — I had my computer. I had been married to a computer network engineer and was not totally computer illiterate and had a college education (B.S. in Psychology with a Criminal Justice minor). I started pulling up web pages he had been too and somehow was able to recover his password by using my credit card to pay for a website he had been too. By luck it was the same password he had used for hotmail and yahoo and everything! Jackpot!
I read everything in and out and figured out where he went! He met a woman from Narcotics Anonymous in Iowa and went to a church camp retreat with her that Labor Day weekend! Well as good as I am with my detectiveness (lol), I called Narcotics Anonymous and got her phone number (cell even!) and called her and him up! I called and harassed them ALL weekend to the point she said she was going to call her lawyer — and I said DO IT! Cause I knew I had him! He was running from the law — but she had bought in to all his lies and was treating me like crap! Well I even called the cops to go get him arrested at this camp — but do you think the cops believed me! HELL NO — DO THEY EVER! So I guess I had to drop it at this point.
But about a month later I got a call from her and she said — “Okay — I believe you now. He just took off to get some stuff of his in North Dakota and he never came back with the rental car so I filed grand theft charges. Well I gave her all the info she needed to find him but told her she better drop the grand theft charges cause she might be liable somehow for letting him take the car that was in her name! She must have listened cause I never heard he was charged with that, but all my work paid off and he went back to prison for 8 months for being AWOL!
Still in love with the jerk
But it doesn’t end here — I was still in love with the jerk! I wrote to him in prison (90 miles away) and we started corresponding to the point I was hooked again. I sent him stuff, money, letters, and visited faithfully like any good woman (blindly in love) would do! I went as far as finding a house close to the prison when he got work release so he could come visit me every chance he got! Then when he got out of work release, he moved in with me for a bit but was determined to find his own place. That I thought was a dead giveaway — he did not care for me after all.
He was saying his parole officer told him he had to do this and that. But a lot of it did not make sense to me since the other people I was talking to about this said differently. I had many more doubts in my mind at this time! So he got his own little apartment and then I moved from my house to an apartment closer to his. We hung out and drank a lot more, but there were times he wanted me to leave. Geez — I am not that stupid when someone is trying to ditch me!
Married in 3 weeks
Anyway, my suspicions grew and I would check up on him all the time. And then he started to be more distant. Then one day around the end of October around Halloween — he all of a sudden quit coming over, quit calling, an absolute no show! No word from him ever again — he would not answer my phone calls and he was never home. I then found out later he met a woman on singlesnet online and married her within 3 weeks of meeting her! Well I then followed him home after work one night and figured out where he now lived and then saw him and her together and figured out what she drove. I then figured out where she worked and followed her home from work one day and told her this whole exact story! That is when she said, “Thanks — I think.” But I did have many emails and phone calls from his family during this duration and even his own mother and daughter said I was better off without him! If that isn’t a sociopath — I don’t know what is!
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Lovefraud originally posted this story on Feb. 17, 2010.
ErinBrock,
You are so funny 🙂 But on a serious note….Maybe it is to soon for you to date. It’s possible that you just need a little more time. Being still in the hyper V state and having P radar on, are two different things. P-radar is one of those things that hopefully we will always have and even be able to fine tune, as we navigate ahead. P-radar is a good thing…
That hyper v state is something different. Its when we are still full of anxiety. And can also be from PTS.
I was diagnosed with PTS over a decade ago…Awile after my husband died. For many years I thought that I was doing so much better….I was really overwhelmed, so I just focused, on two things. Raising my kids and grieving. But anything else that took me outside of my comfort zone, I avoided, if possible. And all these years later, I feel right back where I started. Its like I “managed” it (pts symptoms) for years but I never really delt with it. I got “busy” with what I needed to do. I kind of went into survival mode. I “took on” what I thought was the most important things on my agenda….And because both of those things, raising kids and grieving took so much time and energy, it seemed to be at the time, all that I could manage.
You have been through alot….Battling an illness, raising your kids, battling your ex in court. We kind of go into a “mode” when we have to deal with these kinds of things under such stress.
Take care of yourself. Don’t ignore the PTS signs if you have them. Because they don’t go “away” if you don’t deal with them.
EB,
I just got around to reading yhour post from last night, and HE TOOK A GUN ON A DATE? WHY in in the WORLD would he put your hand on the gun?
Yea, I KNOW WHY, this guy is a macho N/S/P!!!! But you know, I think this guy was a WACKO N/S/P who sure didn’t “get it” about how to go on a date with anyone besides a HOOKER. He was sure NOT “smooth”—I can’t even imagine some kind of woman who would be “turned on” by this guy, or want a SECOND date with him.
Don’t beat yourself over the head for not punching him out, or getting up and walking out. I think I would have been so STUNNED I would probably have set there with my mouth hanging open and DROOL running out with a WTF? look on my face. I think this guy had such a bad “come on” that he probably didn’t get very many second dates!
Erin B,
You’re funny and good for you to be so hyper allerted, but why did you even go out with this guy when you found out he was a “fire arms tryining instructor”? that right there is a red flag to me. I understand the right to bare arms, but someone who’s life is revolved around weapons has some serious anger issues.
Rosie,
you’re funny too….I agree with not ever warning a new GF about N/S/P and better get the pop corn and coke on the side lines….been there done that.
And LOL to becomming detectives, I just solved the pieces of a puzzle in the same way, when finding out that my ex-S took off on a European vacation that he had promised me with some one else…while still telling me he loved me and there was no one else! The clues were all there, the lies, the dis appearing act, the cold sholder….. I booted him out. But it took pain, anguish and the whole feeling of being betrayed again to find out. “Asta la vista amigo” is all I have to say.
Erin brock I think the hand on gun gesture was a bit psuedo-sexual don’t you think? Did it seem that way? He might have been trying to make an opening….hoping that you’d make some innuendo about where-else you might want to put your hand. What an eejit
Rosie kia ora …. kia kaha sister – stay strong 🙂
Yes Erin – the gun is a symbol of both violence and something else – they both go bang! He was trying to show you how tough and macho he is …and get you hot for his other ‘gun’ – men are such idiots sometimes! As if that’s a turn on … shows how little they know about women 🙂
Aeyla: The FAI wasn’t a red flag to me…..but now it is….HA
It stood for responsible……not murderous….but now I question it….
the portrayal of ‘someone’ that no one would question….thats the MO and it ain’t gonna stop them targeting us…..again…it’s up to us to recognize…
The gun ‘gesture’ was weird….
I think it was a ‘hint’….hey….I’m ALWAYS ARMED….
I didn’t get the sexual bit…..but I wasn’t even going to allow the conversation to go there…..
Maybe that sort of gestures have promted other women to reach for the crotch…..NOT ME!
He showed me pics of some type of gun…(he said he was a collector)….that had a silencer on it….
I said….what does one do with a gun like this….he said, nothing.
I said, if you don’t shoot it…why would you have it? He said….oh, this isn’t a gun you’d shoot unless you were a terroist in Iraq.
THEN….he shows me another picture of a friend of his SHOOTING THIS GUN!
So….someone tell me….do people really own guns….(outside of antiques) that they have NO intention of shooting? Or maybe illegal to shoot?
Is this what a gun collector does….just collects guns and never ever shoots them? Wouldn’t it be more ‘fun’ to collect something you can or will use once in a while…..at the range?
Like collecting wine….at some point you drink it.
Erin B:
Amongst so many red flags, the gun thing kinda freaks me out. Sounds like he is authorized to carry a concealed weapon. But putting your hand on it is so over the top, so against what cops are told to do. My dad is still authorized to carry a concealed weapon (he’s 84 and a retired cop) but it was and is *always* concealed, meaning we can’t/couldn’t tell if he was “packing heat” or not.
This guy broke a multitude of both personal and professional boundries. Yeah, he probably did think you’d have a positive reaction to the gun (yech)
Good for you for staying far out of his way and protecting yourself.
erin:
Silencers are illegal. My dad and my uncle both had a lot of guns and rifles (when the police department upgraded to another kind of gun, the cops had the option of buying their old guns cheap—the ones they’d used and liked); so my dad because he’s a cop, my uncle because he was the *only* lawman in a huge mountain district…and owned a cattle ranch and needed it for coyotes or rattlesnakes or anything threatening the livestock…he carried a pistol in a holster every time we worked cattle.
My dad went to the firing range (won 1st prize for all CA lawmen) otherwise they were unloaded and locked up. Same with my uncle—locked in a gun cabinet. He had 1 or 2 favorite rifles and used them when needed.
I’d have to say yes, there are gun collectors who never shoot them…and yes, wine makes more sense!
This guy is sick, sick, sick. And he sure does love his photos. As much a spath as my dad is, if he heard about your “date” and his behaviour with guns, my dad would want you to report him…this is not normal.
Hi Erin.
Just wanted to say, I disagree with your statement “because if some dude read my posts here and realized if he crossed me I’d kick his ass, in one way or another”..there isn’t a man on the planet that would ’walk’ in with that knowledge.” My hubby is such a man. There are some good men, with high integrity that have faith in themselves and know they would never cross you wrongly, and that if they did, they would face the music and pay the price.
In fact, I think that is the only kind of man worth having.
The bait determines the kind of fish you land. Get your assertive, confident kick-ass self out there!!!!!!!!! 🙂
I think the main man magnet, for good men, is a woman with a ready laugh and tons of self-confidence.
Neveragain:
THANKS…..for the reminder…..your absolutely right huh!
I’m who I am….and it’s true….if they are worried about ‘getting in my way’…..then they should pull off the road to begin with and not be ‘driving’ in my path.
I gotta stop using day old bread to attract my fish and reapply my bait….(confidence) to the lake.
CaMom:
Yeah….if you carry a concealed….so what…..why you flaunting it….it wasn’t as if he was ‘proving’ a point to me…like…EB, don’t try and mug me in the parking lot….cuz i’ll shootcha…..
So…..now if I disappear…it’ll either be the S ex….or S#2 or S#3….OR THE VALENTINES DATE!
The list is growing….
So….if I’m shot….ya’ll know where to look. VD man.
🙂