UPDATED FOR 2024. Editor’s note: This story was submitted by the Lovefraud reader who we’ll call “Margie.” She was still in love with the jerk she met — even after learning he was a criminal.
One night I went to a bar by myself (but always knew someone there). I sat at the bar next to this lady I knew and started talking to her. Well Steve (my ex-sociopath—not his real name) was sitting next to her talking to her. I thought he was kind of cute so started flirting. He actually said to me that night, “I think I like you better,” like he had his sights on my friend first. He bought me a flower and all my drinks the rest of the night. Well that should have been my first and only red flag to run, but I didn’t! But stupid, naive me (never dealing with a sociopath before that is) fell for his good looks, as he was 6’1″, blond and blue eyes and had a football player’s body!
Well he told me he had to catch a bus in the morning to Fargo, ND to his mother’s house that he could not miss. I had NO idea he was just let out of prison! Well we proceeded to drink and get totally drunk that night and ended up at my cozy apartment that I lived in alone. The next morning we overslept and he missed his bus (which he should not have because he was to report to Fargo, ND to set up his parole!) and he wasn’t overly upset about it.
Read more: “Personality disorder” as an excuse for criminal behavior
So he stayed on at my house…the first couple of days I thought nothing of it but then I wondered, well, if you are not worried about getting to Fargo, why aren’t you finding a job then?! And at first he was so attentive — he would open the door for me — carry the groceries — cook and clean for me — etc — but was on the computer playing poker and needed his beer constantly like he hadn’t had it in years (which he hadn’t and I didn’t know that — yet!).
Well — finally — my snoopiness (detectiveness) got the best of me and I looked through his belongings in my car trunk. I found parole papers! And I thought — Oh my god! But I was already in Love (lust) with the jerk! So I thought, okay — he loves me — we can make this work — so what if he is on parole.
Stranded
So for awhile, I went to work at my waitress job and picked up beer daily and we drank daily. I relaxed while he sat on the computer playing poker and smoking his cigs and drinking his beer. (He was also emailing many other women I found out later after only being at my place a week!) We then took a weekend trip to North Dakota that turned into a week long trip of me being stranded with no money up there and having to pawn off my 1/3 carat diamond ring to get gas to get home with. Then there was the matter of having to straighten out the bad checks mess he had conned me into writing for beer, food, etc — while in North Dakota (Not to mention the two bar tables he conned out of a bar owner, one of which has his pic on it when he worked there in college)!
And let me add, while he was wooing me at the bar when I met him, he had told me things like he had been a professional football player in Canada. He said he was a college graduate from Jamestown, ND (which was true when I talked to his ex-wife on the phone once), and many, many other lies of great magnitude!
Anyway, we get back from ND and things resume — I am job hunting cause I lost my job at due to us not being able to make it back from being stranded up there! I get a waitress job at Denny’s restaurant then and keep working and coming home with beer (what an enabler I was for god’s sake!) and drinking. All the while he is wooing me with comments like, “I will love you till the end of the earth,” and still cooking for me, etc.
Drums up a story
Then one weekend he drums up the story that they called him from his old professional football team in Canada and they wanted him back and that he had to leave for the weekend (which was Labor Day weekend) for tryouts again. Well as stupid as I was, I believed him (sort of) BUT was beginning to wonder at this point. Well he said some woman was coming to pick him up for this trip — and that is when I KNEW something was not right! My gut said check into this! So anyhow, I had also bought him bottles of vodka besides the beer — he asked me to go get him a little bottle before he left. He claimed he really didn’t want to leave me. Well he even got to the point of being teary-eyed (which was probably all a act now that I think about it) when he was saying goodbye. He packed my 4 man tent with him, which I don’t know why, but he had a lie for that too! This all happened about 2 years ago so it’s getting a bit fuzzy now trying to recall everything.
But, I was alone — he was gone — I had my computer. I had been married to a computer network engineer and was not totally computer illiterate and had a college education (B.S. in Psychology with a Criminal Justice minor). I started pulling up web pages he had been too and somehow was able to recover his password by using my credit card to pay for a website he had been too. By luck it was the same password he had used for hotmail and yahoo and everything! Jackpot!
I read everything in and out and figured out where he went! He met a woman from Narcotics Anonymous in Iowa and went to a church camp retreat with her that Labor Day weekend! Well as good as I am with my detectiveness (lol), I called Narcotics Anonymous and got her phone number (cell even!) and called her and him up! I called and harassed them ALL weekend to the point she said she was going to call her lawyer — and I said DO IT! Cause I knew I had him! He was running from the law — but she had bought in to all his lies and was treating me like crap! Well I even called the cops to go get him arrested at this camp — but do you think the cops believed me! HELL NO — DO THEY EVER! So I guess I had to drop it at this point.
But about a month later I got a call from her and she said — “Okay — I believe you now. He just took off to get some stuff of his in North Dakota and he never came back with the rental car so I filed grand theft charges. Well I gave her all the info she needed to find him but told her she better drop the grand theft charges cause she might be liable somehow for letting him take the car that was in her name! She must have listened cause I never heard he was charged with that, but all my work paid off and he went back to prison for 8 months for being AWOL!
Still in love with the jerk
But it doesn’t end here — I was still in love with the jerk! I wrote to him in prison (90 miles away) and we started corresponding to the point I was hooked again. I sent him stuff, money, letters, and visited faithfully like any good woman (blindly in love) would do! I went as far as finding a house close to the prison when he got work release so he could come visit me every chance he got! Then when he got out of work release, he moved in with me for a bit but was determined to find his own place. That I thought was a dead giveaway — he did not care for me after all.
He was saying his parole officer told him he had to do this and that. But a lot of it did not make sense to me since the other people I was talking to about this said differently. I had many more doubts in my mind at this time! So he got his own little apartment and then I moved from my house to an apartment closer to his. We hung out and drank a lot more, but there were times he wanted me to leave. Geez — I am not that stupid when someone is trying to ditch me!
Married in 3 weeks
Anyway, my suspicions grew and I would check up on him all the time. And then he started to be more distant. Then one day around the end of October around Halloween — he all of a sudden quit coming over, quit calling, an absolute no show! No word from him ever again — he would not answer my phone calls and he was never home. I then found out later he met a woman on singlesnet online and married her within 3 weeks of meeting her! Well I then followed him home after work one night and figured out where he now lived and then saw him and her together and figured out what she drove. I then figured out where she worked and followed her home from work one day and told her this whole exact story! That is when she said, “Thanks — I think.” But I did have many emails and phone calls from his family during this duration and even his own mother and daughter said I was better off without him! If that isn’t a sociopath — I don’t know what is!
Learn more: EFT Tapping to break your addiction to a sociopath
Lovefraud originally posted this story on Feb. 17, 2010.
Silvermoon:
“but I also know the wise eyes and the traditions of good manners which are exactly about the protection that would guard the unspsecting about manipulative men.”
Can you explain this….I just watched a show on something along these lines…..and I’m not sure if I interpreted it correctly….
Thanks:)
Silvermoon, You said, ” because these guys used our psyches as campgrounds.” Yes. And our denial kept us throwing wood on the camp-fire, and our hearts were impaled on sticks, like marshmellows, held over the flames.
Oh, charred heart, will you ever be a marshmellow again?
Has anyone read or seen the Twilight saga?
Well, I had heard about them because of how popular they are among the teen crowd, and yesterday I saw that Showtime was offering a free week-end, so I flipped over and saw that twilight would be on at noon. There was nothing else on that I wanted to watch, so I decided to see what the kids found sooo fascinating.
As you probably know it’s a romance written for the young crowd, but it’s about vampires. Most of us know that a vampire can be seen as a symbol for spaths.
Of course the young pfotagonist falls in love with the hunky, aloof, vampire boy.
My problem with this is…she trusts hin emphatically…and he doesn’t betray her…He LOVES her, and protects her….She’s special….and he resists the temptation to drink her blood.
How nice.
Literature is used to re-establish the status quo. What does this teach our teen-age daughter about love and romance?
I’m not saying I didn’t enjoy watching it, but whew….
Why aren’t we making movies that teach girls to see red flags and run? Why are vampires sooo fascinating?
What do you guys think?
I fell asleep last night. Sorry I missed the rest of the posts.
Had stomach pains. I think I have gastritis. Going to change my diet. Don’t need ulcers. I ate some grilled red meat. It didn’t digest well. I had IBS years ago when I was in my 20’s. I was selling a home I bought..had financial problems and I was breaking up with a pathological liar at the time! The doctor ran lots of tests back then and once again found nothing organically wrong with me….said “Stop buying and selling houses…and stop picking the wrong men!”
Funny how I remember that!
And, guess whats happenning today…30 yrs later?????
I just broke up with the “wrong” man and my home is in foreclosure! AHHHH!!!!! I repeated the pattern…UGH!
So, I am going to watch what I eat today and really try to relax and not get stressed out….(lol)
Seriously, going to have to change my stress level…when it starts to effect my BODY…and break it down…gotta do something. Gotta stay physically healthy or I wont be around for my kids!!!
Anyway….
Erin…..I avoided asking my x questions because once he said..”Gee when I start seeing a woman..she asks…’wheres this going’ (wonder why???) and I ask her what the hell does that mean?”
RED FLAG…but it stopped me from asking where WE were going!!!
BUT, when we got back in Oct. I he said..”I want to marry you”……I called him on it a month later. I said..
“I thought you wanted to marry me..what are your plans and goals in your life? ” (he wasn’t showing me he wanted that..long story)
So, he said..”I would marry you but we can’t live together with your kids” OMG!!!!!! So, I told him it doesn’t make sense.
Even if he said…”Someday, when your kids get older.”
NO..he said…”I want to buy a lot in NCar. and build a home. Thats my goal”
I KNEW then why he wanted me to “save my money” and sell my house!!!!! He was setting me up to use me to help him financially. (It was oVER in my mind at that time)
So, yes….be UPFRONT and ask them. But, a sociopath will LIE LIE LIE to get what they want at the time.
ErinB is right. THey could lie. You just have to pick someone that isn’t charming, isn’t involved or married…..and watch out for the ‘red flags’ AND….take it slowly before we have sex with them…which bonds us…too fast.
We all know the lovebombing, the signs…they “types” and we are all EXTRA careful now to say it mildly.
Professional intelligent women get conned. Esp that woman that was a criminal defense attorney..she got involved with and exconvict and he stole her money, soul…etc…
She broke down and lost her job. Went through hell. But, now she got back on her feet, moved to NJ and met a great man.
So, the whole lesson is BE CAREFUL and don’t ignore your gut feelings.
I hope THORNBUD,who I don’t know …is ok. AWFUL.
OH..and the main thing is…before they even know you well..if they start with the “love” stuff……RUN!!
Anyone who comes on fast and strong …RUN from them. Its not NORMAL or HEALTHY to want to marry someone the first few months. All of that is immature and unhealthy….and ….signs of a disordered SOCIOPATH!
Just because I’m really interested, and I hope my question doesn’t get buried, I’ll ask again. What do you guys think?
Kim – in the 2nd movie the boy vampire has run away from her ‘to protect her’ (and she thinks him dead). He keeps appearing to her when she is in danger. so she starts SEEKING OUT DANGER to make him appear.
she is shown as constantly at risk and constantly romantic. saved (and endangered) by those around her. protected by the ‘purity’ of her love.
the main theme in most contemporary vampire movies is romanticism. vampires are shown as living in an alternate world where the rules are different, and the humans who are drawn to them are always shown as naive, and and to some extent ‘sacrificial’. i think is in this way they accurately show the reality of gullible good meets evil, in a romanticized paradigm. (ie. good is gonna SMILE while it makes the absolute worse choices/ dies)
often they are NOT at core about good challening evil, but about how good is consumed or co-opted by evil. in this way, and in the way the gullible characters romanticize and do not see their situations or partners clearly – they are VERY GOOD TEMPLATES for the experience with spaths.
I heard a young woman talking about the twilight books/ movies on the bus the other day. she was not so young and was outrageously effusive. i was working part time in a bookstore when the first movie came out and people started flocking in and buying the WHOLE SET of hardcovers. ??? young women – i talked with them all about the stories, all of them were heavily invested in the romanticism.
yes, we should be making MUCH BETTER templates for young people. we should have had them too.
I remember watching Thelma and Louise. lots of people i know thought it was awesome. don’t get me wrong, it was ground breaking and i really liked the movie, BUT what’s awesome about YOUR ONLY CHOICE being to drive off a f***ing cliff?
romanticism, romanticism, romanticism.
best,
one step
tobe-happy-good mornin’. I finished Steve’s book last night and it helped a lot. I was so bad off that I didn’t know how to set boundaries. I know how now. I will probably re-read it before I start dating again.
You’re right about them starting this I love you crap-too fast. It is a definite red flag. He talked about the differences in how NORMAL men and women love. He talked about how NORMAL men are simple creatures. When a NORMAL man loves you, he will Profess, Provide and Protect-the three P’s
Steve says that if a man introduces you to his loved ones and uses your name, he is not planning on keeping you around. When it comes time to meet his loved ones, a NORMAL man will introduce you as his girl/girlfriend/lady etc. When a man loves, he will profess-he wants to let everyone know. If he doesn’t see you in his long term, he will just introduce you by name.
Gotta go run some errands-be back later!
Oh, keep in mind-EVERYTHING STEVE SAYS IS FOR “NORMAL” MEN AND WOMEN. WE KNOW THAT NONE OF IT CAN BE APPLIED TO DISORDERED PEOPLE. It is good to hear all these things from a man’s voice. Only one or two of my guy friends knew what happened to me and they didn’t give an opinion. As Steve said-they wouldn’t give one cuz normal men don’t do that. It was goo to hear from a man in black and white that based on A**** actions, HE DID NOT LOVE ME.
Onestep, Absolutely!
One of the things I truley enjoyed about the movie is that I was raised in the Pacific Northwest, and as a child I camped just about every summer in Lapush, Wa. It is an indian reservation on the Pacific coast.
I got my first kiss at 12 years old in a camp-ground at Lapush.
Really brought back memories.
I think he was just a normal guy, though. Not a V. 🙂
K-
to address your questions-
I had a real dressing down by a couple of my mother’s friends over the man I married- sharp old ladies who scanned him like terminators.
The upshot was He is no gentleman and the old ladies had nothing to gain or lose by their conclusion.
There is no harm in romantic stories as long as they story does not become a fantasy- but the real issue is that we don’t teach or mentor young women in this society nearly enough and that the social corrals that protected women in the past are far too open now. It used to be that you would choose partners from within a community known to you and peers etc and that kind of validationwas much easier to acquire by people even if they were not toxic family members.
However, mobility and the difficulty of obtaining information present a huge problem-going slow means everything-
education, practice and suspicion turn out to be the allies of women and I think the current thread points clearly to it.
What is true is that the traditions of dating and connecting are valid because these guys are out there and these combined with the information to which Erin is referring are critically important to all women and especially we who have already been targeted successfully.