Editor’s note: Lovefraud received the following article from a woman who posts as Willow888.
I recently started to work through the awful morass of feelings that follow an interaction with a disordered person. These people are such deceptive and expert manipulators they can apparently draw in even the healthiest of partners, partly because their behavior is beyond normal imagining and experience. Just as we’re taught to drive a car defensively, to suppose that every other driver is asleep at the wheel, we could still get taken unawares by a driver who aims at us head on, deliberately. That we wouldn’t necessarily be ready for. Information about toxic relationships often mentions typical victims as having codependent tendencies, but given that so many of us wrongly assume that pretty much anyone we meet who seems normal comes from the same emotional planet as we do”¦ feels empathy, doesn’t mean to deceive and harm others, is “doing their best—¦ and that we all have needs and desires, which at some point in our lives might be going unmet, we can all be vulnerable sometime, somewhere. But I can only speak for myself and it does take two to tango, so what about my side of it?
Looking around me and at myself, I wonder if partners in an unhealthy dance are often drawn to each other by a subconscious pull of the same root pain, lying still unresolved in the Shadowland of their psyches. Like dark magnetic stuff pulling us together, maybe this is partly why these encounters can be so hard to resist even if our intuition is calling out to us to run, fast”¦ If our Shadow hasn’t yet been drawn fully into the light, it will call and call again to be worked out. So what does my Shadow contain and why and how was it drawn to this other’s?
I come from a very dysfunctional family, with unhealthy narcissism and codependence running around the house like escaped, but unmentionable tigers. Abandoned too in a way, I was the one who was expected to take care of myself, to put my feelings and needs aside in order to adapt and be sensitive to the more demanding needs of others. Silenced if I questioned and fed weird distortions of the truth to keep me silent. Behavior that seemed so unloving, or downright abusive was, I was told, an expression of love, deep, very deep down. Everyone was doing their best and it was my job to be understanding and empathic of others’ feelings, needs and struggles. If I failed at this, I was accused of being the overly demanding one. Not a great garden in which to grow a healthy ability to take care of myself, to trust my inner sense of truth, my intuition. I was being trained to invalidate it.
Sacrificing myself
Big surprise — the partners who drew me the strongest seemed to offer ”¦ well, nothing actually, but I was sure that “potentially” there was, deep down, a great love story to be found there. It was as though each time someone came along offering a basket that was quite, quite empty, if not clearly containing some pretty nasty stuff, I saw it as potentially full of wonderful things, if only I would sacrifice myself enough to the basket-bearer to get them to let me in. As programmed, I was pretty good at seeming terribly strong and self-sufficient, needing nobody to take care of me, and of course, since I didn’t feel allowed to ask, hardly anyone ever did. The men I was with made good use of both my weakness and my strength. On the outside I seemed powerful, accomplished in my work as an artist, determined, responsible and doggedly persevering. The destructive effects of my programming were hidden from others, expressed inward through depression and self-destructive behavior, such as in my “choice” of partners.
But over the years I worked on all this, became more aware, learned to say no to empty or nasty baskets and embarked on a path of re-learning who I was, letting go of the constant outward perseverance and struggle that also now made no sense, and finding some quieter happiness on my own. Maybe I’d continue on my own but that would be ok. Then along came the masked one, seeming to offer a tangibly fuller basket than any I’d ever dreamed of. At last! Perhaps a lovely reward for all the work I’d done on myself and arriving at just the right time! Given my barren past experiences I could be perhaps forgiven for being so easily blindsided by someone who appeared to be so different. And in our culture, so littered with dysfunction and unawareness, it’s not hard to see how even healthier people than myself can be taken in by figures so expert at presenting an ideal, albeit completely false front.
Intuition
But, as with so many stories like this that I’ve read, I did, right at the start, see and hear warning signs, felt something not quite right. My intuition, at first, was absolutely on the game, saying nope, stop, turn around, this is actually a burning building you’re looking at, do not enter!!! After some correspondence, phone conversations, a first meeting, and receipt of a huge bunch of roses, I even told the masked one that I would not come any closer to him because of things he’d said; “I’ve been with many wonderful women but they were never quite right ”¦ If you can reason at all about love then you’re not ready for it” blah blah blah. He sounded immature and unconscious. I added that I was sorry and disappointed but that he should look elsewhere. But I was disappointed, even for the loss of our initial dialogue about other things such as art, infused with his apparent intelligence, cultivation, sensibility, his discerning — or was it just flattering — appreciation of my work”¦ I missed it and wrote once more to thank him for the conversations, and to apologize again for not being able to go any further.
Deadly deed that was. He replied, expressing pain and anger at having his character so severely judged, told me how sad it was that past experience had made me so defensive”¦ He was hurt. Voila! That was it. As content as I was in my solitude, there were still yearnings for a kind of companionship I’d never known that the dialogue had reawakened. And maybe more importantly, he’d already got a good read on my character and knew how to trigger my empathy, sympathy and tendency to second-guess myself. So I opened myself to the whole dreadful thing right there, leaving my intuition behind like a discarded toy.
Staying in the dance
This done and eventually “deciding” to trust him, to see him in the light he wanted to be seen, to believe his fake creation, I became effectively a sleepwalker. He’d been so entirely right; in order to be ready for his kind of “love,” I had to be brain-dead. Any other odd stuff that came, contradictions, doubts causing further alarms, were twisted not only by him, but by me as well, into a somehow positive shape so that I could stay in the dance. Still, I tried hard, I thought, not to relinquish all ground gained in my long road to a healthier self, speaking up when he started to show less considerate behavior. But his seeming ability to discuss things in an open way only strengthened my growing conviction that here was a most extraordinary man. Ah, but what I didn’t even notice at the time was that it was me who wound up apologizing, promising to change something about my behavior, asking his patience for my slowness in trusting him completely. (Where are the emoticons for cringing and head shaking?)
Given my background, the only reason I was so thrilled with these talks was that he was willing to have them at all. I’d never before known a man capable of actually participating, non-violently, in such discussions. Even after all my learning, my standards were still so very low, my self-esteem still so ready to abdicate itself at the offering of a few crumbs. This abuse was so subtle; it went right over my sleepwalker’s head. Masked one must have had a good laugh at my earnest efforts to send him packing at first, to then guard some self-respect and boundaries along the way, and the ease with which he could manipulate me into backing down to offer him my neck instead. It wasn’t until his real, destructive drives in the tango became too blatant to be blind to, that I woke up. But by then the heartbreaking, shattering damage had already been done. I had met him on my way to becoming more whole, but I surely left in pieces. I suspect this was his ultimate goal, conscious or not, from beginning to end.
I could go on and on about the various twists and turns of the sick maze but all that really matters is one thing. Over and above all the famous red flags I now know to look for in predators like these, I must remember to never, EVER, shut down my intuition again. All the rest of my sleepwalking came from that one simple act. In betraying my wisest self, I allowed him to vamp on in and do his horrible thing. Why do so many other stories about this kind of interaction sound so like mine? It seems our intuition is the first thing to fall in almost every case, but we too help enormously to knock it down.
Awareness
Here then, for me, are some of the whys and wherefores of these dangerous entanglements where one fragile psyche destroys outwards in a desperate grasp at power, while the other struggles to have enough power to self-protect and self-respect. The fragility in both comes from damage done long ago. If both partners could become aware of this in time, the encounter could possibly be a chance at healing and resolution for both. It’s an invitation to transformative growth, sitting there in the guise of a dreadful interaction. But if awareness comes, it’s usually only to the “victim,” forced to it by the devastation they are very consciously feeling, as opposed to the aggressor who seems to feel nothing at all. The predator’s main defense against feeling pain is to remain cut off and divorced from their or anyone else’s emotions and so fiercely fixed are they in this that awareness is unlikely ever to cross their threshold.
I did figure out some of what had been going on in this terrible tango before reaching the point of completely abandoning it — and of recognizing it as a scam. I tried to express, explain, point out how working through this destructive stage could be a doorway to something healthy, creative, wonderful. But my masked one’s answer told me I was just wasting my time. He said that there is at the core of us all a fort intérieur that will defend itself to the death against change. Yes indeed; a fort is a locked stronghold, with an army ready to attack all comers that might threaten it. Clearly this was true for him, but if we all had one of these for a core self, none of us would ever be able to make choices about our actions, learn, grow or evolve in our lives.
Descriptions of NPD, APD, etc., speak of extreme rigidity; behavior and personality fused — or you could say, confused — personalities defined by behavior composed almost entirely of defense mechanisms. Lost or buried is any core self, experienced as distinct from its actions and so able to conceive of choices and change. These people act as they do because they need to, they must. Thus behavior is bewildering, attempts at negotiation futile, discussions confusing, appeals to them to question reacted to as criticism; they must protect their position at any cost, a cost they are well defended from feeling, let alone any empathy for others that pay it instead.
The only happy ending
Perhaps this too is one reason why this type of interaction is so unbelievably hard to recover from for us others involved. Being human isn’t a polite tea party. Having all suffered somewhere along the line, we come to the exchange with our own scars, but we leave with them torn open, as well as the terrible burden of the masked one’s denied Shadow projected onto us. (Recalls Peter Pan, the boy who’d lost his shadow and couldn’t grow up.) I can only be happy that I didn’t allow this dance to go on for very long. Short as it was, though, I have never experienced an aftermath as painful.
We have also, through this experience, maybe caught a glimpse of that door to powerful growth if only both partners were open to it, but are forced to realize that all of the pain and any road to better awareness have to be travelled solo. We know now, too, that we were alone in the entire story. A creative dance a deux with this person isn’t possible and never was. This isn’t a Hollywood movie where they suddenly wake up, ignited by epiphanies that transform them into mature, loving human beings and they come running to meet us like that scene in Gone With the Wind; he’s fought his war and now can come home. Neither is our attempt to understand both sides of the dance to excuse or condone their behavior, nor yet to flagellate ourselves, but to learn and grow through it. It’ll be the only happy ending we can redeem from the tale. So here I am now, blogging away, to examine how I was an accomplice in all this. It does help, writing out loud, and maybe it’ll help someone else along the way…
Bookmarked!! Thank you, thank you for your article. I for one, gained immediate confirmation on knowing that I was invalidated as a child and that I, myself was personally abandoned. (I thought it was just an Italian upbringing?) I completely did not exisist but for showing to be well -groomed and well-mannered and to above all, make sure I was in compliance to whatever the raging NPD mother needed.
I woke up this morning reviewing past relationships attempting to see if they were just addicts, N traits/cultural differences, or NPD and Psychopath…because none of them compared to this level of inhumaness with the “P” that took me to deaths door. The twisting, me ending up apologizing (and I was the rebel growing up, always attempting to prove my point, usually getting beaten by my mother for doing so, programmed not to voice my thoughts or feelings) Initially with the NPD/P, I would be appalled at the words he was saying/calling/labeling me..it hurt so much and I would express this and repeatedly ask him to stop and I couldnt believe I would even allow another “conversation” with him again. Then he would do the triangulation and I had to be able to “take” or handle what he was saying, what he was twisting and psychologically defending him to say to myself, he doesnt really mean those things directly to me, that is just how he expresses himself to everyone…if I was going to be with him, I needed to adjust (lower) myself to get past the ugly words and wait for those perfect words of admiration, his discernment of my loyality and love and talents and to feed my narcissim and fantasy life and dreams that in fact he loved me as he pictured it to me…Ugh!!
Today, I woke up sad, regretting, fearful, missing the occupied time I had with him – someone I despise and mad at myself for having this secret desire for him/the lie deep deep inside that I have to fight against rising and to keep it in line with reality..knowing that because of all the dysfunction in my life is the reason I was so willing to look over the truth….and your article was the first thing I read this morning…OK, I am back on to face the world today, go take care of myself the best way I can today and to begin being kind to myself before I fell back into that pity party that He loved seeing me in…I choose to be free in me, in God and in Love today…
I do think you could write a book the way you express yourself with such ability to get directly to the point without losing yourself in translation from emotion to words…I think that LF should have a television show whether it be a reality tv show or a drama with all the victim characters and therapist and doctors etc so that exposure on psychopaths is made more available and without being labeled crazy and to show that the damage done is not just labeled as domestic violence..With your writing abilities and the way you remember experiences and can identify the feelings and the spoken/exchanged words, you should write the scripts…
Thank you for your post. As you can see, I was touched and grateful for same.
Willow888, thank you so very much. What a beautifully written post. You’ve expressed so much of what we all feel but are unable to convey.
alivetoday, I can relate to the Italian upbringing. My P dragged me by my ear to make amends with my father in the name of “familia” even though I made a firm (apparently wishy-washy in the end) decision not to do so. That is one of the many things that I regret allowing him to talk me into against my better judgment; because instead of having the ultimate demise of the relationship unfold on my terms, my father was then able to get the upper hand and completely turn around the circumstances so that I ended up looking like the bad person.
After months of no contact, I received the following e-mail from P last week:
“Are you Ok? I have had the most horrible dreams and feelings. Please just let me know you are OK. I have made many mistakes but losing you was by far the worst. I hope you are doing well.
Still in love.”
He’s just so sweet and concerned, isn’t he? No. Without Lovefraud and all the other work I’ve done on myself, I would have been so easily pulled back in. Now I know this e-mail is manipulation. Now I know that the bad feelings and horrible dreams are because I’m actually happier today than I’ve been in many, many years. Now I know that for someone as calculating and disgusting as he is to call his behavior “mistakes” is unconscionable. A year ago, this e-mail would have made me melt. Today, it makes my blood boil at the NERVE this creature has, which made responding to it in no way, shape, or form so very easy. He will NEVER get the satisfaction or privilege of hearing from me or anything about myself or my life ever again. And I’m proud that I am now able to recognize the transparency of his tactics now and forever, which is why his nickname became Captain Obvious in the months before I was finally able to end it once and for all.
Thank you again, Donna, and everyone that posts their stories and feelings in this forum. I truly believe I’d still be stuck in the abyss of the world I lived in for five long and agonizing years if not for Lovefraud and books I’ve read and other sites I’ve come across that made me understand unequivocally that I’m far from being alone on this journey to recovery.
Survivor3……good for you!!!!! Good for you…..honestly.
Hugs to you!
Willow, Thanks so much for this article. I agree that these magnetic relationships are no fluke. They are numinious and powerrful, because, as you said, they spring from the uncounscious woundedness of the two individuals involved. My X hub and I seemed to have found a match made in heaven. He had been on his own, in the Navy for ten years, and wanted to settle down. I was looking for a strong and stable provider. I was 22 with two small children, and no real job skills.
Like you, I had the same sort of childhood experience, almost to the letter. I had no strong sense of identity, and was quite accustomed to taking a back seat to others needs, and desires. I had spent most of my adolescence alone, in a family that all seemed to be avoiding one-another. They had an agenda for themselves, but I was simply waiting for them….well, hub took over where they left off…his career let his ego shine nicely. In the mean-time, I was feeling like a dingy dish cloth. I felt that he had totally abandoned me and our marriage, on an emotional level, and I was dog tired of the pining away, and long suffering desires going unmet.
I got some treatment for co-dependancy and joined another 12 step group. After 6 months I started working on a college degree. I was “finding myself”. But, probably the most damaging thing he could have done, was to punish me for that. (In a covert way, of course.) He fell in love with someone else. As soon as I quit mirroring him, and hurting about him, but turned my attention onto myself, he felt threatened and devalued…he needed new supply.
I can’t tell you how devistating that was. It took a long time to put the peices back together.
An old, but good book on the subject is “The Dance of Intimacy>”
Loved your take on it. Thanks.
Alive today, about a television series: Remember Sex and the City? We could call ours, P ex and the Pity. HA.
Survivor3, your comment is encouraging and so hopeful for “consistency “in knowing, without retreating to any fantasy of any kind to be detached completely from the “P”. You sound like you are at a great place. Thanks for the sharing of the bs email:)
I also was thinking about the Italians (and I hate to admit that I watch this, but it is out of analysis that I continue to watch, maybe) on Desperate Housewives of NJ..It is not obvious to anyone else that Teresa’s husband is a prime example of someone with NPD (i’m sure there is much much evidence off screen) and possibly a “P”…I think this is why she looks like the crazy drama queen on the show…I think she is a victim and is so unaware of what is really happening to her. I think she displaces and projects her pain and anger..I believe she has a vested interest in her relationship and because of the financial rewards and having 4 children is blind sighted to the truth but each other wife or husband in the show has touched or expressed a truth about her regarding what is living with a disordered person…But they are all unaware of what the completed puzzle looks like…They all say, they are hoping the old Teresa will return…My radar for “P”is up everywhere I turn and looking for who is disordered, who is healthy, who just has behavioral issues…but i feel so strongly that Teresa’s husband is disordered that I think there should be a show and education on what is taking place….I know she is clueless to the reality, I know she is in pain and she thinks there is a relationship when there is not…he doesnt care…he is not connected, he is cruel…she looks at him bewildered but in seconds dismisses it and becomes the submissive wife she thinks she is suppose to be to him..His word is the word and the final right word….Cant Dr. Drew help her….
Please dont laugh at this comment because I have been thinking about this relating it to my experience..This may just be where it is coming from and not true to anyone else’s reality but mine. However, if anyone watches this “stuff”, please share your thoughts…I know I cant save the world from evil but when it is right in your face for the world to see..
Even if Teresa cant see it, cant this be used as an example? Much like the song that was just posted by Joshua…
Kim, That is so funny! Sex in the City came to my mind when I was writing that….That is the funniest – perfect name! LOL..thanks I needed a good laugh:)
Thank you, truthspeak and alivetoday, for your words of encouragement. I was tempted to respond to the e-mail, but only inasmuch as to tell him to $&*% off. But then I realized that any response at all is so satisfying to him no matter whether positive or negative. The worst thing I can do, in his twisted mind, is ignore him, which he equates to rejection. And if you want to affect a P in the very worst way, make them feel as though they’re being rejected.
But what I realized more than anything else in terms of the strength I’ve regained within myself is that I’m truly not trying to play games anymore, which you easily get sucked into doing with these monsters while you remain involved with them, when it comes to steadfastly maintaining no contact with him.
I will forever in no way be remotely interested in anything he’s doing, anything he has to say, anything he falsely feigns that he’s feeling, I don’t care who he’s with, what he’s doing with them, or anything whatsoever about his life. I cannot be concerned about whatever victim he’s preying upon now. I warned one and was able to convince her to run for the hills, and I’m satisfied with that.
Becoming consumed with trying to warn everyone he tries to victimize in the future deprives me of the joy I deserve to have in my life. His existence disgusts me, the way he continues to operate is so obvious to me that all I could do when I received that e-mail is laugh. That feels very much like a victory to me. The next one will be when he shows up on my doorstep and I call the police instead of succumbing to his begging and pleading through the crocodile tears.
Willow,
very nice writing. This may be the best article on the blog!
It covers the gamut of the experience and explores how spath behavior is their way of dealing with the pain they refuse to feel. So they make us feel it. Then we walk away, with not only our own shadow but theirs as well.
Your story has many parallels to mine.
My dysfunctional family’s unhealthy narcissism and codependence ran around the house like wild billy goats.
And I tried to break it off with my spath early on too, only to cry for days on HIS shoulder and he cried fake tears on mine, both unable to let go.
You are right about the rigidity. My spath told me, “I never wanted to grow up.”
It’s hard not to feel compassion for them once you know that they are just a walking bundle of defense mechanisms. Unfortunately, they are addicted to getting sympathy and those defense mechanisms are akin to nuclear missiles with a hair trigger.
I’m glad you escaped. Never ignore your intuition again. It’s always right.
P.S. Alivetoday, regarding Joe and Teresa Gorga, I think they’re equally screwed up. I think Teresa is so jealous of her brother’s wife and their life together that she just cannot control herself. There is some incredibly strange behavior that she exhibits towards her brother that has absolutely nothing to do with Joe Gorga. Frankly, I think everyone on that show, or any of the Housewives shows for that matter, are screwed up in some form or fashion. It’s like watching a train wreck that you just can’t take your eyes off of. But I think Spencer and Heidi from The Hills win the dysfunction award hands down. And Scott Disick from The Kardashians is textbook P. I have to say he does seem to have changed for the better to a degree, although I still believe he’ll always be dangerous.
And now I hang my head in shame having admitted that I actually watch these shows!!!
Survivor3, thanks for your response!
Remembering now, that I too did say to myself that Teresa is very possessive of her brother almost like she was his wife..her expectations of him are definitely overboard…
I hang my head with you admitting that I actually press the remote to the saga of bs……I do read ALL the time too!!..good stuff:)