Editor’s note: The following story was submitted by a Lovefraud reader whom we’ll call “Marsha” about the coldest man she’s ever known.
I just wanted to write and share my story. I did some research on all the characteristics of what makes someone a sociopath. My father is a psychologist and knew my situation. He had mentioned the concept that my ex-fiance was a sociopath after everything that happened to me and I didn’t think to ask him more about what that meant. After exploring this site with the symptoms, I realized that my dad was 100 percent right. Here’s my story:
When I met my ex-fiance, it was through a mutual friend. He was charming, funny and seemed to be very witty and smart. He displayed himself as a go-getter, very ambitious, etc. We were friends for several months when our relationship seemed to get more serious. It was around that same time that I was living in an apartment that I loved within five minutes of my workplace. He lived in a fairly expensive high-rise condo on the beach, a condo that he owned, whereas I was renting.
He was a mortgage broker at the time and the housing market was steadily headed into the downfall. As we continued to date, his job stability as a broker seemed to be in question. Sure enough, about six to eight months into our relationship, he lost his job working for one of the major banks as they had some layoffs. He faced the challenge of paying his bills and mortgage in his condo as he waited for the opportunity of new employment.
Moving in with him
He created this idea that our relationship was headed in the right direction and that he “loved me.” He advised that really the only thing to do at this point would be to move in together. He urged me to quickly move into his condo so that we could play house in a sense and combine our incomes. Looking back I realize just how much I was duped.
I decided to give up my wonderful, beautiful, convenient apartment to move 30-45 minutes across the town to his location. I began paying him rent, month after month and not really seeing where the money was going. It turns out he was saving the money with plans to not pay the mortgage and lead his own self into foreclosure. He then anticipated that since we were not married he could just short sale the property in my name.
Now during all of this time, I let a lot of these financial plans slide through the cracks. I trusted him and figured that he had a plan. I didn’t know that this was a true con artist act in disguise.
During the span of time that I lived with him, he had kept in contact with an ex-girlfriend and stated that they had to keep in touch because he had known her for so long and that she was a friend. Again, I let this slide, even though I didn’t like the thought of it. Mainly because the communication was often and not of real purpose. Flirtatious, in many ways.
The marriage proposal
After one year of dating and living together I truly felt that I was in love with him. He proposed to me but even the proposal was cold and emotionless. We were arguing one afternoon and he laid the ring on the table showing that he had gotten the ring and that this should get me to stay.
This was never what I would have thought my proposal from the love of my life would have been like but again, love is blind and the sociopath can find a way to have you hanging onto a relationship that you know deep down doesn’t make sense.
He wanted silence
Needless to say, after several additional months his personality began to change and change and change. I never knew what personality I would get on any given day. He was oftentimes very irritable and mean. He was cold. I would come home from work and he would state that he couldn’t talk to me, he wanted silence. He would spend nights upon nights sleeping on the couch (by choice). What young engaged man chooses to sleep on the couch and not in the bed with his woman by choice?
Read more: Seduced by a sociopath — it’s not love, it’s love fraud
It was as though all he cared about was the money that I was paying and the plans for the short sale.
He would talk sometimes about how people always betrayed him growing up and that he blames his father for being abusive. But, he rarely ever showed affection — kisses, hugs, terms of endearment.
I made excuses
I always would make excuses for him and say to myself — He’s just going through a lot right now —or he really cares, he just doesn’t know how to show it. Yet, over time it just seemed to be that he was purposefully being emotionally abusive and standoffish. He told me that I was too close to my family and should cut the close ties. It was almost as if he was jealous of my close relationship with my family and didn’t want that closeness to continue on.
Looking back, I realize that he didn’t want anyone else to figure him out. He didn’t want anyone else to realize that he was a fake, a fraud and that his love wasn’t real. His love didn’t mean anything.
He would always find a way to charm me, or reel me back in like a fish out of water, when I started to question his intentions or when I would take a stand. Then, there were other days where he just really didn’t give a crap.
I can’t say enough how this was the coldest man I’ve ever known.
Charmed again
After additional communication between he and his ex surfaced, along with his decision to allow a buddy of his (male) to come stay in our house for well beyond a few weeks, without asking me of course. I decided it was time for some separation. Although separation was there I still missed him. After a few days, he charmed me again and offered the possibility of my coming back home and things changing.
I came back, of course, and things didn’t change and he was as aloof as he had always been. The problem was that I still loved him and wanted to marry him, wanted to change him. Within a few additional days something very devastating took place — He cut the ties of the relationship with as much care or emotion as a gravedigger. Again, it was cold and at this point he devastated my life — he told me that he just couldn’t deal with this anymore and couldn’t be in a relationship.
After all I had sacrificed emotionally and financially, he was just easily done with everything. I took steps to move out. After that point, he didn’t call; he didn’t attempt to communicate at all.
I would have never been happy
At first, I went through hell. Replaying the events and wondering what I could’ve done differently. But looking back, he just wanted to live by his own rules — he clearly was a sociopath.
What is he doing now? I hear he is still living in the same place, filed bankruptcy and works out all the time to make himself look more muscular. He dabbles into drugs and is even further down the wrong path.
I’m just happy that I got out because I would’ve never been happy. He had no care or concern for anyone but his own self. I tried not to blame myself or get depressed. I try to realize that people like this, I call them users, don’t have a heart. They don’t care! They are truly sociopaths and will do whatever they can to win and to live by their own set of rules.
Please learn from my lesson.
Learn more: Sociopathic seduction — How you got hooked and why you stayed
Lovefraud originally posted this story on April 30, 2009.
Good Grief,
I am a newbie to this site and have just finished reading this whole thread. The thing, after 20 minutes of reading, that I really want to say is that LTL’s advice is really SPOT ON.
The only thing to do, even for the morbidly curious (of which I am one!), is to DO NOTHING. No contact, no responses, no contact with her Facebook. Close the door and keep it shut. You have no kids with her, no financial obligation….nothing that I could tell that neccessarily binds you to her.
I really understand the need to try to make sense of this via continued covert investigation. I do. But the deal is anything on her Facebook is a complete fabrication to draw in more supporters/supply/an audience to her ‘role’. To dig there for comfort is to be subjected to her con-act.
STEP AWAY FROM THE CRAZY!
I had to and it was not easy. The man/child I saw is a sort of spiritual/dancer/freespirit leader here in the town I live in. He has groups of devoted ‘students’, some of whom call him their spiritual teacher. Go to his MySpace site and he looks like a love guru, sexual healing, heart open and community loving consciousness seeker.
The point is it is all on his page as BAIT for new sources of adoration. YES, he LOVES creating ‘community’ around him, as he is a parasite that sucks little bits out of everyone around him to meet his basic needs: food, housing, sex, attention, etc…..
These attention whores honor NO boundaries to get an audience. I know I am only repeating what others have said. But I also know I could (and did) hear these same things a hundred times when I was newly injured. And it was part of what led me back to my own sanity.
Welcome to the blog………..Slim
Hello All 🙂
First of all, let me express my thanks to everyone for the stories, advice and LOVE that is shared here. It is all so helpful!
I’m in the “deprogramming” stage right now and it is not easy. I have to keep bearing in mind all of the evil things my “S” did to me but mostly how heartless he was towards my feelings when he could visibly see how hurt I was. He used to tell me to stop crying because he HATED it when I cried. I can’t say that he really ever saw me angry because I WAS spineless!
However, out of all of this, I discovered something about myself. I did not learn to display anger in my life. I equated a display of anger with the threat of losing love. If I made anyone angry, they would stop loving me. Hence, I NEVER SHOWED my anger towards him. I just bit my tongue and when he went out the door, I would rant and rave and CRY! I was afraid of losing his “love”. Now, I realize this has been a lifelong problem for me but, that, coupled with meeting an “S” led me down a terrible path to learn a life lesson.
All of this has been an eye-opener for me. It has been an emotionally charged as well as COSTLY lesson! But, now I know that I CAN stand up for my opinions and feelings and get angry and not lose love—love that is real. Actually, out of all of this, (and probably not realizing it at the time), I was gaining respect for myself and respect from others when I did take a stance and stand my ground. I NO LONGER WILL BE SPINELESS–IF I DON’T LIKE WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO ME—GOOD-BYE!!!
I, too, would rather be alone than be at the hands of an “S”. By reading and sharing here, I have really come to realize just how UNHAPPY I was when he was around. Since he went to America (5 months ago) and I have been by myself, I am a much happier person.
Thanks everyone—Luv to you ALL!
Is there any way I can get my things back?
good morning everyone…Since I value the merit of all of your advice I will continue to resist the strong urge to reach out to her. The problem for me is that I have so much inside of me that I feel and want to say to this girl and even when I did write her it didnt go away because I got no response. I still write often…I have written so many letters but have sent barely any of them. MAybe I’ll just post here what I write and you guys can give me the feedback and help me resist the urge…you all are great. This is what I wrte when I woke up this morning and my thoughts were racing to much to go back to sleep.
I don’t miss you at all, but I miss my girl from out west everyday. It’s just too bad that you’re not her anymore. I assume with this letter that I’m talking to the real you and that she never existed. You would think (or I would), after having a 2nd chance at life, after having someone dump you because you were disabled, and having people who you wanted to be there for you throughout your life let you down, you would hang on dearly to the one person who welcomed you into his life with open arms despite everything and who had your back in every way, and that’s the one person who you betrayed and seemingly enjoyed fucking with. Like Jim Morrison says, “people are strange.”. Your ability to wreak havoc on the emotions of another person who you were supposedly in love with is unhuman and you apparently have learned nothing from your experience and you have no value for what his inherently good in the world. Genuine love is very hard to find, you had it and you’ll never get it back from me. I never thought that when we were in the police station dealing with your stalker that you’d for no reason treat me like him and I never thought when I was taking incredible care of you post surgery that you’d ever be so cold. I gave you so many chances to fix this, and you still don’t recognize what you’ve done, how you’ve done it and the value of you loss. You have no remorse. Even if you don’t feel it, I know your smart enough to know what you did was wrong but I can’t make you care because you don’t. You are probably laughing about all this, but it’s not funny at all. Especially after i moved back there to be with you and care for you, I bet you feel like you got me good… nope
If this is like a report card for you on how to fuck with someone in a life-altering way and you think that you got all A’s then your wrong. I am much stronger than that and instead of thinking you won, frankly you lost, something real special. I’m glad I met you because I’ve leared so much about myself in the last yea and I’m proud of the way I handled you and of all the things I did for you. I’m better for it and so are you, but you could care less.
All you viewed me as was a nurse, half the rent/bills and a moving company. You didn’t consider me your lover, you didn’t even consider me your friend. There is no way you could treat me so bad if you even appreciated my friendship and I certainly gave enogh to deserve it but it wasnt enough for you, it never would have been. Your thirst for human destruction overpowers you desire for good, what is pure and what is genuine.
you are a toxic monster and that probably makes you smile to hear…do not ever contact me again, it should be easy for you…if you call I won’t answer, if you write I won’t respond…goodbye
It just sucks that even as my friend, you seemingly enjoyed making me suffer with no remorse because you know I have no idea why this happened to us and you don’t seem willing to help me understand why something loaded with relationship talent got completely shit on, by you of course. That’s the only thing that haunts me, it’s not what happened, it’s why it happened. But that probably makes you feel good inside. I thought we were the shit, I guess you just thought we were shit. Stupid me.
man it would make me feel good to send something like this to her…but I know, I know…NC
Dear Good Grief,
The urge to reach out to them on the heels of the afermath – is something ALL CONSUMMING. Im glad you are taking the time to think it through – so often we act on impulse and need to not appear “fooled” or “taken”. Its very smart of you to write how you are feeling and NEVER send it. The reasons are
1. She does not react to things, feel things, take in things. She is so high on her horse that she will selfishly only pick out the negative things you say about her and become internally defensive and see/hear nothing else in the letters that you write.
2. The letters are for you.
3. Good grief, historically my guess is her past relationships are often dramatic, unstable , and end abruptly. You are not her first or last.
4. Dont let why it happened haunt you. Accept why it happened. It happened (all her bad treatment of you – EVEN THE GIRL FROM OUT WEST – treated you bad (I assume some of the things you shared happened while out west). It happened because she is unable to love and be empathetic and honest. She only values herself. There are people like that in the world.
5. You didnt know. You werent prepared when you fell in love with someone who wore a “mask” in the begining hiding who they truly are. You went along believing she was someone she wasnt. For a year she played with your head, covered up lies, gave you crumbs….you often sensed things were amuck (RED FLAGS) – you called her out on them – but she wooed you with EXCUSES, LIES, SEX, TEARS, and you wanted to believe her — because you were caught in the FANTASY of it all – you thought and wanted to believe she really was a decent good honset caring person on the inside. Thats just her when her Mask is on.
6. It doesnt matter what she thought. IT DEF DOESNT MATTER WHAT SHE THINKS RIGHT NOW. Whether she is smiling, or planning her next move, or changing her facebook status to Im available….IT DOESNT MATTER — she cant give you what you need and deserve. Even if she came back to you – she will be the same person — they dont change.
7. You fell in love with someone who is unhealthy and toxic for you. Someone who was deceitful. Somone who uses. Someone who is so utterly selfish that they just dont care to waste their time “going over the events” – “explaining why they are selfish” – or admitting “the truth” that they are the losers.
8. They do dont the normal course of action, the mature way, the way we expect…Talk about it, hug about it, Goodbye, go separate ways. Its up to you to do that for yourself…to realize ewwwwww – I dont even want to be in the same room listening to her BS lies and EXCUSES and being able to tell her family one thing and me another and some other dude something else.
9. Its a process. Your way of sorting it out for now…is writing it out. I Going over it. I think thats very helpful. And each time becoming more and more honest about the girl from out West. Really delve into when her mask came off – and you got glimpses of the REAL her – the way she really acts and reacts and treats you and others in the real world – I bet it was when you were out west.I will tell you historically, in the beginning they put forth about 4 months of good times, reciprocal respect, amazing attention and sex, lots of conversations, plenty of signs that things are perfect….they get us good and then they cant keep up the fake shit and you blink and the real them is slowing surfacing month by month and you are left desperately trying to find the person you thought you were with.
Lastly, fight the urge to go back to any kind of dialogue with her. Create the urge to stay away , get away, and trust your instincts. Trust yourself enough to know the truth. You are the one loaded with relationship talent (except like me lacking self-respect, self-trust and self-love because you were blindsided by her and didnt know what was happening or what to do…) she is NOT loaded with relationship talent – she is loaded with selfishness, untrustworthiness, and lovelessness.
They just dont have what it takes to go the distance let alone the day without doing every single thing for themselves about themselves in an unhealthy selfish toxic manipulative selfish way.
Thank you ltl for your thoughtful response…believe it or not, most of the red flags happened after I left her, there were only really a few that happened out west and I couldn’t prove anything so I accepted them for her being her…I just fear that if I don’t say anything that these things inside of me will stay there and eat me up forever…maybe I’m just having a tough day, which I am
No problem Good Grief…days are really tough when we are sorting it all out. I had the same fear too. I also finally learned that I had to do what was right for me, as we all do. Its never the end of the world if you say the things that are inside of you..its just sometimes never really changes anything…you send the letter and no response … and you become more pissed and seething and you are no better off from sending the letter kind of thing!
Mor productive when you are ready to try to y figure out why you want to be with the real her, now that you know the real her…and also for me it was that I figured out my spirit and soul was being be eaten alive every time I went back – because they dont change. But if I was willing to go back, and not have any self-respect, he was more than willing to use me and keep me around…once I made contact.
And I learned one red flag is not only enough but too many for me to go back for more. Because there will be more, always, with these kind of people. HANG IN THERE! Its hard. But I commend you on sharing and seeking and learning and growing – even with set backs — we can always go forward when we are ready!!
It is just so beyond me to think that nothing will get through to her, and remember, it is her doing the NC to me! I should be happy, relieved, but I’m not. What hurts the most is the way she did it, or didn’t do it. I feel like my story is a little different then others because she stopped talking to me and it seems like with most other victims, they would realize what really was going on and then they would stop talking to the S. It gets so hard to understand this mentality at all, and I know that is a huge part of the problem being a rational person, but this girl survived an accident that she should never have survived, and you would think that would make her value good things in her life that much more. But it seems like her condition is so bad that that aspect doesn’t phase her, it didn’t help her, it may have only helped her in the pity department. I know she had fun with me, I know she knows we were buddies, I just can’t understand how that could all be so meaningless. Everything I did to help her physical well being is all so meaningless. IT is impossible to empathize with that kind of coldness. I don’t think I want her back. There would be too much resentment, distrust and feelings of disloyalty. I would never look at her the same. I can’t figure out, for the life of me, what it is that I want. I just don’t know. I miss her tremndously and all the empty promises she made crush me. And I, not sure about her, but I had so much fun with her and everyday meant something to me. It’s hard to think that she doesnt remember that enough to even want to be my friend. and not a friend in the normal sense, but she couldnt even be a friend to me when I told her I was hurting to help me out with that, after all the help I gave her. The emotions I feel I wouldn’t wish on anyone…tremendous sense of loss, disappointment, betrayal and confusion. It fucking sucks, and I dont scare easy, but I am petrified at how long this is going to take me to fully recover from, and I deeply fear that I never will. And to think that she is out there living her life like I never existed to me is torture because, again, I wonder how the hell she doesnt miss me when in fact, she doesn’t even want to KNOW ME! the term unbelievable gets thrown around a lot, but this is the literal definition of that word. She completely devalued me and my major contributions to her well being. Physical well being, how can she not appreciate my taking care of her, that is the biggest thing that eats at me