Editor’s note: The Lovefraud reader who posts as “Radar_On” sent the following letter.
How does one begin to tell the tale of the masquerade and the swath of destruction at the hands of liars, narcissists, sociopaths, and so on? The psychological, emotional, mental damage that has been inflicted upon us is too much for the “normal” person to comprehend. Unless someone has been through, and survived living through situations like this ”¦ average people just can’t understand, or relate!
I am a 52yr. old woman that has been through much in my life. This current situation is my 3rd. marriage. My first ex husband (my children’s father), we were married for 14 yrs. The last 18mo. we were married, he was charged and CONVICTED of aggravated rape.
She was a young girl of 22 at the time, they were “friends”. Unfortunately, not long before he raped her (about 1hr.) she had a “petit mal” epileptic seizure, and he “assisted her to her bedroom to lay down” ”¦ and that’s when he raped her. My divorce became final some months later.
My 2nd ex, we were married about 8 yrs, but that ended abruptly when he left for one of our employees (we owned a business together), and yes, I had no idea what was going on ”¦ and never saw it coming. I was shattered an devastated by that one as well, and had to start over at 42 ”¦ from the rubble of my life.
I proceeded to move on with my life, found a job and took care of myself and my youngest daughter that was still at home at the time. During those years, I remained single, (7 years) and rarely dated at all. It was safer to remain that way! In 2009, I started to attend a church, locally where I live. I thought no harm in that? I was dead wrong. That is where this “optical and psychological illusion” began!
The crosshairs
Little did I know in the few short weeks that I was attending, I was being “sized-up” and placed in the crosshairs of this monster. This predator in the pew had his eye on me from the beginning. Every time I was there, he was watching me. Sadly, he has the Pastor fooled as well, and with the aid of the Pastor, we were “fixed-up.”
For me, this is one of the most heinous aspects of my situation, that he used the “cloak” of Christianity, and God, in his agenda. To me, Church should be a safe harbor? I thought so, but was wrong. A few weeks later, there was a seminar at the church, for a class to take. There was a “sign-up” sheet in the hallway. I signed up to attend, and yes ”¦ he was there. This monster, or someone else, must’ve seen my name on the list to attend. That is where we first “met.” While there, I was getting coffee, and (I remember every detail so vividly) he came up to me and struck up a conversation. He “seemed” nice, friendly, harmless. I wasn’t attracted to him whatsoever. Several weeks went by, and he asked me out for a bite to eat. Harmless I thought, so I agreed.
Weeks went by, and we started to “date.” There was no physical attraction at all, but what did attract me, I was fooled by his fake “sincerity,” and thought he was a decent man…we “met in church”…right? WRONG! As the weeks went by, his “flattery” was a bit much, saying I was the best looking woman who came thru the doors of the church, and so on. I laughed, and said, “Oh, so you’ve never dated anyone here at church?” He said no. Oh, but little did I know, that the woman that he had a 4yr. affair with, was also a member of the church as well!
The incident
After attending this church for several months (we were still “dating”), on a Sunday June 2009 there was a luncheon after the services, and we went together. No harm, right? Innocent? Little did I know ”¦ As we stood in line, a woman came up to him and asked to have a word with him. (I didn’t pay much attention to it, thought it was innocent). They went OUTSIDE TO TALK. The spath (I’ll call him D.) came back after about 15mins, very upset and furious, but kept his “cool,” but I could tell he was pissed!
We got our food, but he wasn’t saying much. On our way back to take me back to my house, I asked him why he was so irate.? He said she (I’ll call her B.) was just some “crazy” woman chasing after him, and wouldn’t leave him alone. I asked him “key” questions, like have you ever dated her? Been out with anyone from the church, etc. He denied all of it.
This “incident” will come back and “boomerang” throughout this tale of deceit. The first of many lies he told me all started in a Church. Sad? Using the things that are most dear to us ”¦ against us? Just pure evil!
Little did I know the woman that approached him was B., the woman (I later found out) that he had a 4yr. affair with, behind his x-wife’s back while they were married, as well. On top of that, they were also co-workers working for a school system, and both were 20+ veteran employees, both were fired from the schools. (I found the online newspaper article about it) D. lost his job, family, retirement, everything in 2007. B. lost her job, and home as well.
Looking back now, the questions that I asked him about this “crazy woman”, he denied ever knowing her, and so on…I would have never known he was lying, swindling, and GASLIGHTING, he is that accomplished! But that is their “m.o.”, right?
The door to insanity cracks open
Fast fw to April 2010 when (sad to say) we got married. Oh God, he seemed so genuine, sincere and caring! (my mind and psyche are still trying to grasp all of it!) The door to hell cracked open about 6 weeks after we got married. I was looking through some of his “documents and paperwork” in a box for health insurance items, when I happened to see a few old cancelled checkbooks from 2007. Some of the dates were before and after his divorce from his 1st wife.
Being the curious creature I am, I looked at them. Weeks before D. got divorced from his 1st wife, he gave (over a 90day period) almost $5000 to a woman. (Several of the checks were filled out by her, to her). At that moment, I had no idea who this woman was! I proceeded to find the “church directory” and look for her name. Ohhhh, you got it! There “B” was in the church directory!!!
MY MIND EXPLODED!!! My heart started to pound in my chest, weak at the knees, and lucky for him, he was working nights at the time, or else it would’ve ended that night in a fatality.
A few days later I asked him, “who that lady at the church” was. What was her name? He gave me a strange look, and said ”¦ “ugh, why? I think her name was “B.”) I turned and said to him, “I know about “B.”!
At first he acted angry, OFFENDED, then denied, denied, denied! I showed him the checks, and then he blew up, gaslighting me. He threw B. under the bus saying the money was because she was blackmailing him, that she was going to tell his 1st wife they were having an affair! Again, all LIES! OMG, we had just gotten married, and I didn’t know what to believe, and AT THAT TIME, no way of getting any confirmation from anyone.
I should’ve booted him out, (yes, he moved into my house), but got the fake tears, fake apologies, all the “I’m so sorry’s” and so on. After this happened, my mind was blown, and spinning. (I’m sure you all know what I’m saying.) Rather than fight it, I ignored my gut, and for the time being, let it go. After this happened, I did kick him out of MY bedroom. We had only had sex twice (and very pathetic sex at that!) His line was, “I’m sooo sorry I lied. I NEVER CHEATED ON MY 1ST WIFE. Don’t I deserve a second chance?”
Two years later
In the last two years, he took his 1st wife back to court over an issue with their divorce. It lasted eighteen months. Foolishly, I went to the hearings with him, stuck up for him, defended him, and so on. All this time, I was still in the dark about the rest of “his” story. In Feb. of 2012, through a series of events, I got online to check his phone calls. He NEVER stopped talking to “B.”! Ohhhh, the insanity! While D’s second wife, (me) was busy sticking up for him in court, against his 1st wife (ex), he was busy talking on the phone behind my back, to “B.”, the woman he had a 4yr. affair with, when he was married to his 1st wife!!!
After months of digging, researching, watching his behavior, talking to other people, his grown kids, I know what D. did to their mother; I’ve been able to put it all together, finally. When I realized everything ”¦ from the beginning, to now? For days, thought I was having a nervous breakdown!!! No words can describe this feeling, however all of you here can relate! My mind is having an extremely difficult time processing all of it!
Cat and mouse games
In the last two yrs. I have developed, the “hyper-vigilance” that war veterans, etc. experience with Post-Traumatic Stress Syndrome. I’m in the CTS- Current Traumatic Stress Syndrome. For the last several months, I have been watching his every move, mentally cataloging his every word, and action, as well as on-line activity, every time I leave or he leaves, I check my watch for the time, constantly making “mental notes.” I carry a small box-cutter in my pocket, and keep screwdrivers, hammers, box-cutters, steak knives strategically hidden throughout my house…JUST IN CASE. I have to watch what and HOW I say something to him, for I have been exposed “up-close” to his Narcissistic Rage.
As “punishment” for inquiring about seeing the credit card bill in June of this year, he went up to the credit union and “amputated” me off the accounts. (He is the “primary, I was added on when we got married.) He left me hanging for 10 days, before he decided to add me back on. In his mind, he was punishing me, for defying him and calling him out.
Also in these last months, I have been busy documenting everything. Have been copying everything, have copied to burned Cd’s and everything saved to a flash drive. As he has been playing his game, and playing me the fool, I have been documenting EVERYTHING! Including his online activities, as well as him calling transsexual and “she-male” escorts. Making a copy of a “screen-capture” is a wonderful thing! The sick, twisted, perverted things he looks at is horrifying to me! I will say, if I EVER see any evidence of child-pornography on this computer, I WILL immediately un-plug it, and take it to our police station!
The most dangerous aspect of this is my “proof”. If he ever finds out, I have the concrete evidence, of the sick and twisted things he has done, and IS DOING, D.s son would totally not let him near his grandchildren, EVER AGAIN!!!
Unfortunately, for now…I have to play this game as a matter of survival. I lost my job last year and at my age (52), I’m having a hard time getting hired anywhere, especially now, in these economic times! Have to be very careful in word, deed, and appearance. D. does have a ccw license, has a 9mm (with the clip in the case) on his night-stand, and a 12ga. shotgun (with the bullets lined up in a row) in a gun cabinet in his bedroom.
Yes, a few situations came up in the last two years, and he has made reference to shooting someone. I know he has another phone, he keeps hidden, so he can’t be traced by me. I can go on and on about the situations, the LIES, the GASLIGHTING, the blow-ups, the LIES, the intimidating, and so on. My children are grown, have their on families, and lives, and I don’t want to get them involved. Unfortunately, he knows where my family members live ”¦
I did contact our county DV center here. Will check out what services that are offered. They do have support groups that meet every week. For right now, trying to keep up appearances, and keep my sanity, and try to get on my feet. The place I live in is mine (manufactured home) and it is paid for, I own it outright. When this situation is “set-off,” if he tries to lay claim to my house in any way, I will leave, but leave it in a heap of ashes.
This man has just about totally destroyed me, my mind, my trust, he has raped me of my emotions, he has raped my very soul. A consolation I have gotten from this is I knew/know I wasn’t crazy! It was not just my imagination!!!! I’M NOT CRAZY! Happened upon a quote a few weeks back, “The Human heart feels things, the eyes cannot see ”¦ and knows what the mind cannot understand.” I’m not crazy.
I’ve tried to tell this tale of the dark side, as best I can, from a spinning mind. Eloquent words, I used to have, escape me now, and I tried to keep the “story time line straight.
I found Lovefraud one day, when I just googled, the words love ”¦ fraud. I try to get on the site as often as I can. My screen name is Radar_On. Thank you, Donna. Appreciate your pain, and dedication to exposing these MONSTERS! as well as everyone else on Lovefraud. I wish everyone here the best! God Bless you all!
Radar~
KEEP THE MONEY! You’ll need it to pay an attorney! Actually, If I were you, I’d seriously consider and act on taking 1/2 of the money out of that account ASAP. If it was YOUR tax return…….take that amount then split the rest. Because if you don’t, he will likely drain that account. OH and do NOT deposit any more funds into that account. OH MY!
Open up your own account at ANOTHER bank. (So accounts can’t get mixed up!)
It’s easier to ‘give back’ than it is to fight for it and pay an attorney to do it. There goes the money, either way. (He won’t EVER give it back!)
What do you have to live on? You say you have no job?
I’d also pay the attorney on a CC. (And keep all the cash as cash for emergency) It’s also likely that since he’s the bread winner, he may be ordered in the divorce to A. either pay the CC’s completely, OR at least 1/2 of them.
So keep the cash!
RE; him using the same attorney….this is great. SPend some time reflecting on everything that you were privy to in those conversations and battle with the 1st ex. IT’ll give you a great roadmap to what he’s going to do to you.
You can preplan your approach from this knowledge. It’s insight.
Don’t be scared of that!!!!
RE: him laughing at you. Thats’ just his control tactic. Don’t let it ‘get’ to you and don’t take it personal. It’s how he operates. He know it bugs you.
So what……. TAKE NOTHING he does/says personally!
Don’t own his words or actions.
Find the confidence in ‘who’ you are and move forward with your ADAMANT!
Good luck to you! It’s ok to cry….there will come a time when your tears will dry up. Don’t let him bring you down any further from this point though! Make a commitment to yourself on that!!!
YOU ARE AN INDEPENDANT!!!
XXOO
EB
Thanks OxD, Truthspeak, EB. My situation is why i grabbed the money in the first place, is 1. Money to live on till i can get on my feet, he pays the carpayment for the car i drive. Maybe i shouldve just taken half, because the $4000 was a joint return. I withdrew it to ive on, i thot WTF! WHY NOT? He is just gna piss it away on shemale escorts anyway. Guess his atty is gna tell me i have to give half of it back? I would love to tell the judge that why i did this is because what he did to me last year! I do have those bank records… a few weeks ago he TOLD me not to touch the 3000.00 that was in savings. Ooops, guess i disobeyed! Ooopsie!!!!
Radar,
Just be careful not to ‘intentionally’ inflame him. Ofcourse he won’t be happy with you removing ANY money from the account……they see it as ALL theirs!!! Mine, mine, mine….
Find the balance between eggshells and your needs.
If he makes 50K a year and you only have 4K total in that account, I’m thinking that unless your monthly expenses are HUGE……he’s got another account somewhere!
I’d figure out your monthly expenses, all payments etc….and then start asking….where’s the money.
Also, set up online banking access for yourself on banks and all utilities. Not online payments…..just access, so you can freely see what is current and what is not and what he’s doing and how he’s spending and is/or not taking care of your joint liabilities.
My Spath drained our joint account. I never saw the money back in court! Although, he DID try to blame ME for taking the money out. (I had his signiture and his new account info with the same amount and day he withdrew our money PROVING I didn’t take that money…he did!)
Expect that he will not pay your car payments or insurance etc (if not now, at some point unexpectedly)…..they tend to try to ‘smoke’ us out with money that way. Whatever he wants he will stop paying for to ‘hurt’ you. He did it before to you….expect it.
I’d call the car loan and car insurance co to make sure he is current on all payments.
If not……maybe that would be good use of that money for you.
You should be able to recall what he did to ex #1 on that level.
If you have joint credit cards….expect one day he will cancel you off of those.
It all comes down to beating them to the ‘punch’ in these issues.
Start with getting yourself protected and independant financially as much as possible. Separate expenses and accounts. Remove his liability from you ASAP!
In some states legal separation is in order. Once a legal separation is declared in court, it doenst mean your divorced, it means you have no joint liability for his potential financial fiasco’s. (nor him yours).
Radar_On, you’ve gotten some priceless suggestions that I hope you’ll act upon, today. I identify with the panic, 100% – my situation was similar to yours, and the story is entirely too long to recollect, here.
The main thing that was helpful to me was having a counseling therapist that “got it” about spath, having this site to read, rant, vent, and learn from, AND forcing myself to accept certain truths, even though I didn’t particularly “like” that they were true.
It is imperative that you return 1/2 of the tax return, as ErinBrock mentioned, otherwise his attorney will demand it AND get it to be Court Ordered, as such.
Today is the day when you begin taking proactive steps to protect yourself, Radar. Read EB’s post, again, and follow the steps. CANCEL all joint credit cards and contact the loan company that holds the note on the vehicle that you’re driving. LET CREDITORS KNOW that you are separated.
GET YOUR OWN AUTO INSURANCE, also – everything that is in “joint” accounts must be closed so that you are no longer legally liable for HIS debts.
“NO CONTACT” is also vital, now. Once you speak to an attorney, you will allow your attorney to do your talking for you. Any contact that you have with this man is going to result in crazy-making, triggering, and an emotional reaction that you cannot afford, right now.
Then, contact your local domestic violence hotline and ask for a list of counselors that understand domestic ABUSE (use that word), PSTD, and get involved in some strong counseling, ASAP.
In the meantime, keep reading, posting, venting, ranting, raving, and purging those emotions on this site. Nobody is going to “judge” you, Radar. This is a “safe” and healthy venue to vent and learn.
Today is the day to cool the head and take care of business, one step at at time.
Brightest supportive blessings
Thank you so much for all of your suggestions and advice. I KNOW I need counseling for this and will call about this to get some help somewhere. His atty is probably sending me notice to return the money with a set amount of time, or face further consequences if I dont. I have no assets other than my home, which Im sure they will seek a lien against if I dont return the money…. 🙁 Going to court< is that not a joke for women like us? Justice for the abused is usually an illusion? I suppose I made an error in judgement fueled by fear.
First off let me say I am NOT a lawyer
But my egg donor is a CPA and a banker, and this much I do know.
In JOINT ACCOUNTS, it does not matter which of the two parties or either of them or what the SOURCE of the money is, once it is deposited into that JOINT ACCOUNT it belongs equally and totally to both parties and either once can legally withdraw ALL of it.
It is better to hold on to the money NOW and fight over it later in a divorce settlement than to give it back and then try to get it.
Keep that money and use it to hire you an attorney, or get your teeth fixed or buy you some groceries and store them away.
It is better to beg forgiveness than to ask for permission.
I think that’s the crux of the matter. our sense of safety is breached and no matter what age, we are compromised!
What I mean is, as infants we must bond for survival and spaths can’t bond , so we blame ourselves and try to fix it.
I absolutely “get it” about spaths, remembering it is the problem!
Oxy was right. It has taken almost 3 years for me to feel anywhere near okay.
I am learning the truth about my family and life and some of it is s*** but I would rather know the truth.
Love to you all.
OxD, appreciate your comment. Yes, it was as of Thursday, a joint acct. He cut me off of it Friday morning! Just Like I knew he would do. He changed the password to the online access for the account as well. Being a joint account, I always assumed either party could take any amount out. So to split hairs here, how can I be prosecuted or made to return the money, If I had legal access and legal right to the funds in the account!???? To top that all of, we are not legally in court separated, he told his family he is staying with his father, because he’s not feeling well. (Found another host!) I really think he is super pissed, because he got skunked, and I got the jump on him before he could jump me. I know exactly what he was thinking, he told me not to touch the money in savings and I disobeyed. I suppose it never crossed his mind that I would do that.. or maybe it did, but he probably thought I did not have the balls to do it. Like I said before, if I have legal rights and legal access to the account… how could I be prosecuted for any kind of theft?. Best to all 🙂
Radar, you can’t be…however, in a divorce SETTLEMENT those funds might be figured in as part of your settlement BUT if you are not “separated” then he is responsible for your support.
I don’t know were you live and what the laws (community property etc) are so a lot will depend on that. But any money you have right now I would keep in cash or on a postal money order, American express checks or some way it can’t be easily found.
I would beat him to the punch as much as you possibly can. See an Attorney monday at least for a consultation about your rights in your divorce in your area. BEtter safe than sorry.
Chin up and keep your “cards close to your vest” so that no one can warn him about anything. God bless.