Editor’s note: Lovefraud received the following story from a woman who we’ll call Lorraine. She is 51 years old and lives in Australia. The name of the man she was involved with has been changed.
I became involved with David, 49, after joining up to the dating site in September last year when I was emotionally down after a divorce and being on my own for awhile. I have heard both good and bad stories about online romances and was fully aware of women being ripped off financially. Well that was never going to happen to me, for I am too smart for that. But quite clearly not too smart for being taken emotionally.
Within days of placing my profile complete with photo of myself I had received lots of requests for contact by men, most not suitable at all. Amongst the requests was one from a man whose profile was flawless. A person professionally employed with a good Christian background. Fit and healthy and having a teenage daughter in his care much of the time.
I accepted his contact request and we clicked straight away. Had lots in common, both employed in the medical profession, both had three children, he three grown daughters, me — three grown sons. Both loved walking, cycles, the outdoors, markets, gardening, same type of music. We chatted merrily away, night after night for hours, about anything and everything including things one only tells one’s closest friends.
For three weeks, until one nice pleasant but very quiet weekend afternoon, I went online and he was there. He said it would be nice to meet and have my company for a chat for an hour before he collected his daughter from his ex-wife’s. Sounded safe enough. And it was. I even thought he was nicer in person. When I left he asked if he could give me a kiss, and I accepted the small peck on the cheek. How lovely. What a gentleman, I thought. It left me wanting to see him again. The second time a week later when he invited me to his house he had lovely mood candles burning, a gorgeous meal prepared and the right soft music on. And there was that chemistry between us and he told me that he thought I was “hot.”
Notch on the bedpost
Very romantic and easy to communicate with. I was on another planet. But also I was vulnerable and found myself really liking and trusting David. And as the evening went by one thing led to another! Just perfect. Who could ask for anything more!
But make no mistake, once I had become a notch on his bedpost the conquest was over for him. The game had been played. And he was already well on his way in grooming his next victim online.
I know he is very selective, he picks only good, honest women with high morals, that way there are far less risks for him. And he told me nothing. Zero. He just stopped communicating with me. End of story.
I was left totally and utterly shattered and emotionally scarred by it. I saw him online chatting to others but he refused to acknowledge me.
So I chose to confront him personally. I jumped in my car and I drove the one hours drive to his place. (I knew he was home because he was online chatting to someone else at 10 p.m. but would not return my request for contact.) He was shocked to see me — totally. He could not look me in the face. He fidgeted and behaved much the same as a naughty boy who has been caught out but was too scared to admit it. He tried to maintain composure. He said that he is grieving for his mother who is dying from cancer. And that there isn’t anyone else and that he just wanted to be by himself. Then he stated that I was intelligent, good-looking and will find someone else. And he added, “We’ll both be fine. Everything will be alright.”
Talking with other women
The first time I initially had contact with David last year and after a couple of weeks chatting online he suggested communicating through MSN via internet email as it is more personal and that I didn’t need to go on the dating site to communicate as they are full of strange people wanting contact. He then hid his profile and I thought maybe I was special because he had given me his undivided attention. He then removed me from his “contacts” on the dating site.
But when I checked the online dating site, usually very late at night, there he was online, no doubt conversing to other women. I do recall in about the second week of chatting to him on the net and before I actually met him that David mentioned that he was on some type of suicide watch for a friend and may need to go in a hurry. Well that call came and he said he had to go and help his friend in need. The next evening on the net I remember him referring to it when asked by me, he said that it was a long, long night. “Someone was drunk in their car, and there were lots and lots of tears. But everything would be alright,” he said.
I was not to know then just how significant this was until weeks later when going over things again and again in my head. It all fell into place.
“Lots and lots of tears” obviously meant female. And I have now worked out that this female was likely a person he became involved with as he began chatting to me online. When her usefulness ceased, that is, he achieved his notch on the bedpost, he told her their relationship would not work. Yet another poor deluded soul, led to think there could be more but let down in a cold, callous and calculating manner.
Life lesson
So from all of this I strongly felt that David needed to be taught a real life lesson. Users on these dating sites are real life people with real feelings and emotions. I felt he needed to hurt, and in exactly the same way he was hurting vulnerable women who would open up to him — like myself.
Does not matter if you think you are the sharpest tool in the toolbox. If you are new to these dating sites — beware. You are raw meat. Ready for the taking. Long time players will regularly scour the new additions and quickly request contact before others do.
Read more: Online seduction and the dangers of online dating
Then when I began to play him at his own game I was terrified he would catch on straight away, as I find it near impossible to lie and keep a straight face. But remember that online, on internet dating sites, all that is being conveyed is around 25 percent of the actual communication.
The other person cannot see you, or you them. And I know that body language counts for around 75 percent of what is being conveyed. Could I do this? Could I carry off the lie? Well as it happened — yes, I could. Wasn’t as difficult as I thought. If he could see me he would have known, but he couldn’t.
I became Jo
I placed a new profile on the dating site and became “Jo” in late January 2010, and made up a background similar to my own. I felt myself writing what I knew he would want to hear. I needed him to take the bait. And he did. Almost instantly. It only confirmed to me what I had already discovered over recent months that did not quite add up.
David’s first contact with Jo was the day after his mother, whom he supposedly adored, died. Strange behaviour when one is grieving! Chatting on line for one hour to “Jo,” whom he knew nothing about, yet telling her that he had no one to hug!!!!!!
Then telling Jo that he has been on the site for over two years and hasn’t had any luck, and hasn’t had a date in 14 years! I thought and what about me, or the others, whom he just so readily discarded!!! Liar!
Also in the three weeks of being Jo online, David at no stage asked what line of work Jo was in, or even where Jo lived, which was good in one way, because I did not need to lie, however it did highlight how he was so self-focused.
My aim of playing him at his own game was to keep him interested, wanting more, wanting the real deal. Getting him to ask me to his place would be even better as I knew he would go to some length to get it right. Mood candles, soft music and red wine!
Agreed to meet
It happened just the way I planned on Friday evening, February 12, 2010. Three weeks after chatting to him online and developing a rapport, he was clearly very eager to meet Jo. No less than six times throughout chatting to him on Friday early evening he hinted at Jo meeting him with comments such as, “I had a delivery of wine today — come let’s try one.” “I might ask you over — or let my hormones take over.” “There’s at least seven bottles of red to choose from here — come choose one.” “You deserve a back rub for daring to talk about my mum and how I feel about it — no one else wants to know it happened.”
After stringing him along for awhile, Jo agreed to meet him at his place and he gave a very detailed description of how to get there in exactly the same way he had to me. Jo then left him with the final message of “Looking forward to meeting you. You sound so nice and friendly.” And, “I shall arrive in my nice shiny black convertible, shall I?” And he said, “So off ya go and come on over — much more fun talking than typing.” Of course Jo then did NOT turn up.
At 10:50 that night, David left a message for Jo online: “David wonders what happened to Jo — hope you weren’t snapped up by crocodile, not been fed to a shark — and that you didn’t do this to wind me up — though that would seem very out of character from the chats we had — catch you whenever I s’pose.”
And: “P.S. I would really like to honestly know what happened and why — so please chat and tell me.”
Just perfect, I thought. It would leave him now wondering why and maybe feeling rejected, just like I had.
Advice for Internet dating
Now, my advice to anyone new to any of the Internet dating sites is to first check out how long the other person has been on the site. If more than a few months, beware. Secondly, when you are communicating with someone on these sites, remember you are actually only getting about 25 percent of the communication. You do not see them or their body responses; all you get is a motionless computer screen. Thirdly, it might be wiser and safer to communicate only with other new users, and stay well away from those who have joined many, many months ago or years! Let the alarm bells ring.
When I joined again as Jo several months after the first time, there were again the same large group of men whom had requested contacts with me the first time!!!
In conclusion, David has an obsession with these sites, much the same way as an addict has to gambling or a smoker to smoking. The addiction is either about gaining power over women or is a sex addiction. Yet, in real life David functions at a high level. He does have friends and is quite social, even having a weekly home church group meeting at his house. Yet on the chat line he says he is alone and feels unwanted.
David lives in a fantasy world, in a made up one, when on the Internet. The real sad part of all of this for me is that underneath the entire act David puts on, he seems like a lovely man who is highly confused and has lost his way with reality.
Net addiction
Through personal research I have now found some good sites on the Internet that outline what “net addiction” or “Internet dating addiction” or “cyber-addiction” is. Internet addiction is a growing, serious public health issue. And those that are addicted can be quite callous towards unsuspecting others. America has even considered this cyber-addiction to be included in the DSM V of Mental Health Disorders. It can be seen as the new growing social cancer of our century.
But how David could do this to innocent women, and repetitively, knowing he has three teenage daughters himself, is beyond comprehension. How would he like it if one of his daughters fell foul to someone just like him?
Finally, if my story can just stop this from happening to other females then that is a bonus. If what I did by becoming the player myself hurts him like he has clearly and deliberately hurt many women over a lengthy period of time then I will be very happy indeed. And my job is done.
So regardless of where you live, not just Australia, let the Internet user beware. It could cost you significantly emotionally, which will take you a long time to recover from.
Playing “The Player”
Everyone comes into one’s life for a reason. And I now firmly believe David came into mine because I was the right person to take him on and turn the tables on him. By playing “The Player,” it gave me the chance to regain my self-esteem and confidence and gain some kind of closure. My aim was to show him that one cannot use and emotionally abuse innocent people who initially come online and are often very vulnerable by those who are masters at “the game.”
I think I will stay well away from the Internet dating sites for the time being. I need to heal and become the calm, relaxed person with the happy disposition I was before.
Learn more: Survivor’s guide to healthy people and healthy relationships
Lovefraud originally posted this story on April 2, 2010.
Baily – I am sorry, i didn’t get back to post to you yesterday. I had a rough day and it slipped my mind. I will tonight. again, sorry.
This is a great story, which I enjoyed a lot. So I guess my Internet addiction today is Lovefraud. Back to work I go.
But just to say before I go: A friend told me someone he knew in the neighborhood was using Facebook to have casual encounters with women. “He doesn’t even remember their names the next morning,” he said, sourly. After mentally scanning my candidates for who this might be (I have two), I had to remind him that this kind of behavior didn’t originate on the ‘net.
Personally, I think ‘net meetings are fine, but theyr’e just another way to meet people. If, after a couple of e-mails, you’re not meeting for coffee somewhere, junk it. People can meet online, but dating happens in the “real world.”
Hi, Blue eyes.
I’m glad you decided to post. There is a lot of positive feedback and validation here. I’m sorry you had that experience, and I’m sure it was a real blow to your sense of trust and faith in humanity…of course that’s depressing, but, as you said, at least he cut and run before being sexual. At least he had that much conscience.
I’m glad you’re here. Stick around and share with us.
Kim;
Thanks. I need to get this over with and I realize now that the right thing to do is to get my story out. I certainly had many warning signs regarding Jamie but I ignored every one.
It was about a year ago I first came across an article explaining sociopath are not necessarily criminal or violent. However, all sociopaths are manipulative, cold and lack feelings of guilty or empathy. This is Jamie. In fact, I remember him on several occasions using the word “cold” to describe himself. His “cold flat” and his “cold grey-blue eyes.” It is from the later (and the song, an autobiographical song about a sociopath) that I decided upon the name behind_blue_eyes. Jamie often commented that my eyes were “real blue” not “cold grey-blue eyes.”
And his eyes? Before I introduced myself to him, I saw him looking at me from across the club’s room. He always, always looked into my eyes unlike anyone I ever met. I viewed this as “connection.” Little did I realize I was looking at a typical sociopathic stare and in the picture he uses online his eyes are downright chilling.
Hi friends at LF! It’s been a while since I’ve visited and I feel I’ve hit a wall this past week or so. Not wanting to get moving in the morning. Feeling depressed with no direction and the SP on my mind all of the time AGAIN. It’s been almost 5 months NC. Unfortunately, during that time I am guilty of reaching out to him and emailing him….but in his usual fashion, he ignored me. And yes, I tried recently to call him only to find that he has changed his number yet again….5th time since I’ve met him 2 1/2 yrs ago (most likely bc he is in a dilemna with another woman – bc that is the pattern!). He used to call me and ask me to have his number changed bc he was getting bogus calls. But now I realize it was bc he was hiding from women that he was using or husbands/boyfriends after him.
I’m not sure of the intent of my post today. I just realized that the man I thought I loved is dead to me. That someone I once knew and shared every detail of my life with……is no longer there. I don’t know where he works, what his number is, how to contact him…..or anything about him. The man who used to answer all of my calls, wrote me off like I was a piece of trash and it’s just a hard pill to swallow. And after almost 5 mos, all of the sudden I miss him AGAIN. And I can’t think of anything else. And I don’t know why.
If anyone has a story to share or some insight that might help….
Dear SaraSims,
It is still the “addiction” to the FANTASY—and the trying to contact him and thinking about him all the time is to me at least “proof” of that…
What to do about it? Well, to start with I THINK that you need to quit focusing on HIM and start to focus on YOURSELF and ASK yourself
“What is it that I am focusing on him even after he abused me, discarded me and doesn’t want me?”
It starts out about THEM but in the end, ends up about US. Why WE Feel “needy” about this person who abused us. What is lacking in our self esteem or our lives that make us vulnerable to them.
If you don’t answer those questions, even if you don’t go back to him, many times you will pick out a CLONE of him that will abuse you as well. Youu will fall for the “love bomb” the next one presents. This seems to be a pattern with people and I know I have fit that pattern of repeatedly allowing a P to abuse me—and after my wonderful husband died, I was sooooo needy I picked out a P for my next “love of my life.”
If I hadn’t been depressed and lonely and needy I don’t think I would have allowed the abuse that started showing up within a few months of him entering my life. I eventually kicked him to the curb, but it ripped my heart out as well.
Start reading the articles here about healing ourselves and working on YOU! I’m not blaming you for the abuse but saying that we have to make ourselves ABUSE PROOF by LOVING OURSELVES enough to DEMAND people treat us with respect!
(((Hugs)))) and Welcme back!
Dear Sarasims,
I’m sorry for your pain…but consider that he has disapeared with no number or way to contact him A BLESSING IN DISGUISE!…..he is DEAD and you are MOURNING THE ILLUSION of what you thought he was. If you did contact him it will only re-open old wounds and frustrations. HE DOSENT EXIST!…… I KNOW….I JUST FELL FOR A CONTACT TRAP MYSELF.
After 10 weeks of NC, I responded to a message of several I got on FB….only to realize once again how distorted the NS is in his reality and how he just wanted to play me and trap me again. I too was feeling melancholy and missing the illusions of goodness in him…the intimacy, the good times the talking everyday 3x/day if we werent together….and I made no effort to contact….even after receiving several private messages from him through FB because I have him blocked from everything else. I was in this rollercoaster ride with him for 3 1/2 years….used, abused, lied to betrayed and played like a puppet….he came off as very sincere, down to earth, charming etc. BUT his MASK FELL OFF and I realize once again that what I missed dosent exist. It’s only an illusion…that will never be.
I mention in another post that it must be the “spring-spath- fever” and all the feelings of “re-birth” in the air. But make it a re-birth for yourself! ….Recgnize the melancholy longing for what it is…..mourning the old….and welcome the spring with a fresh new start…..with new beginings and renewed sence of well being…NARCISSIST-SOCIOPATH FREE.
(((hugs))) to you.
Since Internet dating is at the core of this story, many dating web sites, through various algorithms “profile” users. The one where I stumbled upon Jamie’s profile also has test, awards and other ways of getting a good assessment of a user.
Jamie was a “Manchild.”
The Manchild:
Hopeful. Awkward. Soft-headed. Fire intrigues you. You are The Manchild.
Okay, Manchildren have some good qualities. They can be unpredictable, brash, magnetic and therefore highly charismatic. Particularly, you’re passionate and are often a hell of a lot of fun.
But we’d like you to consider not using our service. You can be unthinking and hurtful, and we think you LIKE seeing bad things happen. You’ve had a moderate number of relationships, but broken a disproportionate number of hearts. In total, you mean well, but don’t really have it together.
It’s up to you, of course, whether to continue dating. There are plenty of women out there who do deserve you. But you’ve heard our advice.
My guess is that Jamie is quite amused by being labeled a Manchild.
Dear blue_eyes,
How about SATAN? that fits!
Personally I don’t think ANYONE deserves a psychopath except another one!
OxDrover;
I actually wish nothing bad upon him and hope he can find some peace without hurting another person. He grew up poor during hard economic times in one of England’s worst cities; he was abandoned by his father at an early age; and lost his mother around the age of 20. I actually admire him for rising above this and getting a good education and a good job.
Somewhere along the way this cute twinky guy also fell into the trap many gay men fall into and became HIV+.
Trust me, being an HIV+ aging twink who is losing his boyish looks is punishment enough.